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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 1 @ 10:06 AM ET
My only comment on this is...if a player is good enough to beat out a current roster player yet isn't ready for the NHL...what does that say about the current roster player ?
- landros 2



Doesn't matter, do what's best for the player. It's judging a young player versus veterans who are just using the pre season to get ready. Look how good Medvedev looked last pre season.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 1 @ 10:06 AM ET
Absolutely. Liked him in Dallas.

Actually, a player in the Dallas system whom I'd personally like to see the Flyers pursue is Brett Ritchie. Heavy game, a bit of scoring upside, and still young. But the Stars still like him.

- bmeltzer


Brett Richie...my home town kid....his brother out in Anaheim is going to be even better.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 1 @ 10:06 AM ET
He did. Really, all it means is that Vityaz exercised their KHL option on him as expected. Even on loan to the Russian national team, he was a Yityaz affiliated player and they held his contractual option through 2017-18. The player doesn't really have a say in the matter.
- bmeltzer


so basically still status quo, with a small chance he gets out of it and can play here in the fall, or does that cement hes not coming over to NA this year?

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 10:07 AM ET
Any interest in Gaustad for the fourth line to take FO? Best FO man on the market and can kill penalties and is one BIG mo fo. His last contract was stupid so he would need to take a cut and be no more then a year. Of course he looks in decline and his skating has always been so so.
- coffee junkie


he has some value but isnt someone im sending emails to Hextall telling him to sign
johm12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IN
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jul 1 @ 10:07 AM ET
As Bill said Hextall doesn't like the 9 game tryout....but that may be the only way in Provorovs case to tell....maybe he will show in camp he's not ready...it might not....I mean if a kid all of a sudden falls off the cliff in December then so be it...back to jr he goes....yes you blow a year on his ELC ...but you always protect the player....
- landros 2



Is there any downside to having a player stay for a 9 game tryout? I was surprised last year when Hextall sent Provorov back as early as he did. I would definitely be surprised this year if it was the same considering how everyone thinks he's NHL ready.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 1 @ 10:08 AM ET
is bodekker an option for flyers? still young and can play top six
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 10:08 AM ET
is bodekker an option for flyers? still young and can play top six
- mydoglicks


overrated but maybe
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:08 AM ET
is bodekker an option for flyers? still young and can play top six
- mydoglicks


I hope not
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:09 AM ET
Is there any downside to having a player stay for a 9 game tryout? I was surprised last year when Hextall sent Provorov back as early as he did. I would definitely be surprised this year if it was the same considering how everyone thinks he's NHL ready.
- johm12


The downside is creating a roster space on the 23 man roster. If you have to waive someone to make room for him and you don't want to risk losing that player on waivers....

sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 1 @ 10:09 AM ET
Is there any downside to having a player stay for a 9 game tryout? I was surprised last year when Hextall sent Provorov back as early as he did. I would definitely be surprised this year if it was the same considering how everyone thinks he's NHL ready.
- johm12


i dont think there is any downside, if he fails, i think he gets to see what he needs to work on first and foremost. if he plays ok but nothing special, ditto. if he lights the world on fire, good problem to have.

also, i think this year Hexy gives them a longer leash, doesnt send them back as quickly as last year, morin, hagg, and sanheim included. i have a feeling konecny is destined for another year of juniors, although Ottawa didnt think so
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 1 @ 10:10 AM ET
5 / 3.85 for helm
- YuenglingJagr

He'll be 34 at the end of it. hmmmmm... his speed in his younger days is intriguing. Never put up eye popping point totals. What's your love affair here?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 1 @ 10:10 AM ET
I hope not
- PhillySportsGuy

Any reason in particular?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 1 @ 10:11 AM ET
dont forget online dating and the whereabouts of certain posters
- YuenglingJagr


and alcohol, studying, and the NFL
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:11 AM ET
One thing the team may be factoring, at least slightly, in their future planning, is the likelihood of another expansion draft in a few years. The NHL is probably looking to expand to 32 teams, so the longer you wait until you turn a kid pro, the longer you have to protect him from those drafts.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 10:11 AM ET
Flyers interested in Dale Weise per lebrun
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 1 @ 10:11 AM ET
Is there a buy out fee ? That the player or the Flyers could pay to get him to North America or are Flyers comfortable with his situation there ?
- landros 2


There is nothing systematic about it, as it was in the years of the NHL-IIHF transfer agreement. With the Russian Hockey Federation, every team has the right to demand whatever fee it deems fit to release a player from his contract.

The player can buy his own way out of the contract. But it's rarely in his best interest to do so, unless he's going straight to the NHL. Let's say Rubtsov were to simultaneously buy his release and sign an ELC with the Flyers knowing he'd almost certainly have his contract slide to the Q this year. He'd be eating up his signing bonus installment to get out of his contract.

Conversely, if he waits out the KHL deal, he keeps his NHL signing bonus and, by that point, he'd be in the AHL/NHL picture.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
I hope not
- PhillySportsGuy


I also hope not. Umberger produced more per 5 on 5 minute than Boedkker did.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:12 AM ET
He'll be 34 at the end of it. hmmmmm... his speed in his younger days is intriguing. Never put up eye popping point totals. What's your love affair here?
- coffee junkie

Good wheels, so-so skills and very good on the PK, but I wouldn't want him signed for 5 years. Now if you can get him for 3 years at an aav under 4 million, I'd be interested.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 1 @ 10:13 AM ET
Is there any downside to having a player stay for a 9 game tryout? I was surprised last year when Hextall sent Provorov back as early as he did. I would definitely be surprised this year if it was the same considering how everyone thinks he's NHL ready.
- johm12


The downside is that the player is very, very disappointed to go back to his junior team and the chances of a "lost season" increase significantly.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 1 @ 10:13 AM ET
The downside is creating a roster space on the 23 man roster. If you have to waive someone to make room for him and you don't want to risk losing that player on waivers....
- BiggE


That, and sometimes the player sits in the press box waiting for a chance to crack the lineup for a game or two, when he could actually be playing for his junior team.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 1 @ 10:13 AM ET
He'll be 34 at the end of it. hmmmmm... his speed in his younger days is intriguing. Never put up eye popping point totals. What's your love affair here?
- coffee junkie


Detroit fans are not happy.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:13 AM ET
Flyers interested in Dale Weise per lebrun
- moylander

WOuld be an upgrade over White.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
Any reason in particular?
- jak521


He's basically Brayden Schenn, but worse
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
That, and sometimes the player sits in the press box waiting for a chance to crack the lineup for a game or two, when he could actually be playing for his junior team.
- tangent_man


Yup that and what Bill mentioned about how down the kid can get when sent back to Junior.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
Any reason in particular?
- jak521


He produces at a 2rd line rate (5V5) with poor possession stats and just power play speciality. And it was reported during the season he was seeking $6M.
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