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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 1 @ 9:01 AM ET
Provorov will go back to juniors. Reese Wilcox will be the first dman called up( if not he will see time with the flyers this year.
- rinaldo


Morin is a long way ahead of Willcox.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:02 AM ET
Do you think that Gostisbehere was hurt by being sent back to the lesser league.
- MJL


No I think he deserved to make the team....even you can't think those 14 games in the AHL did anything to help his game .
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 1 @ 9:04 AM ET
No I think he deserved to make the team....even you can't think those 14 games in the AHL did anything to help his game .
- landros 2


Hextall thinks that. He said Ghost didn't have a great camp last year coming off the injury, and wasn't ready to start the season in the NHL.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 1 @ 9:05 AM ET
No I think he deserved to make the team....even you can't think those 14 games in the AHL did anything to help his game .
- landros 2

sure they could have.....let him get back into the game situations....adjust to the speed all coming off an injury
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 1 @ 9:05 AM ET
All the build-up and I think its going to be kinda dead for the Flyers. Limited cap space & other teams trying to fill holes via FA probably limits the trade opportunities
- Jsaquella

Perfect. I dont want them to tap in until next wednesday. Get that second wave kicked off
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:06 AM ET
No I think he deserved to make the team....even you can't think those 14 games in the AHL did anything to help his game .
- landros 2


There were more questions to be asked at that time then "is Ghost ready to play in the NHL?"

Ghost being up probably means Manning gets waived (big deal right?) Well with injuries he ended up playing a lot and improved a bit during the season. His play made Luke Schenn tradeable, which made Vinny tradeable, which saved the Flyers bacon

His 5 extra points for being here from the beginning of the season is pointless to worry about now
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 1 @ 9:06 AM ET
we've been over this. You think Ghost comes into the league on fire like that without a spot on the first power play unit? He got the opportunity and he took it. That is literally the only thing we can hope and ask for with these prospects. None of it means the Flyers should start calling guys up earlier
- YuenglingJagr


Obviously we will never know how he would have started.....I thought he was easily one of the top 6 to start the year. I'm not advocating rushing young D ....I'm saying in some circumstances it's better for both team and player.....to me that might be Provorov ....the camp will tell or at least should.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 1 @ 9:07 AM ET
IslesBlog ‏@IslesBlog 40m40 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Sources tell us that Andrew Ladd was satisfied with the continental breakfast at the LI Marriott this morning #Isles


YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:10 AM ET
IslesBlog ‏@IslesBlog 40m40 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Sources tell us that Andrew Ladd was satisfied with the continental breakfast at the LI Marriott this morning #Isles

- Streit2ThePoint


landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 1 @ 9:11 AM ET
There were more questions to be asked at that time then "is Ghost ready to play in the NHL?"

Ghost being up probably means Manning gets waived (big deal right?) Well with injuries he ended up playing a lot and improved a bit during the season. His play made Luke Schenn tradeable, which made Vinny tradeable, which saved the Flyers bacon

His 5 extra points for being here from the beginning of the season is pointless to worry about now

- YuenglingJagr


My point is that "my" hope is they take the best 6 d man. As far as to why their best defenceman didn't make the team out of training camp...that's Hextalls job. There's always going to be circumstances to work around.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:12 AM ET
IslesBlog ‏@IslesBlog 40m40 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Sources tell us that Andrew Ladd was satisfied with the continental breakfast at the LI Marriott this morning #Isles



- Streit2ThePoint


Always a good day when the artificial scrambled eggs aren't too dry and they have decent cream cheese for the bagels in lobby.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 9:13 AM ET
Perfect. I dont want them to tap in until next wednesday. Get that second wave kicked off
- jak521


Unless they find a taker for Streit or Read
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 1 @ 9:14 AM ET

- YuenglingJagr


landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 1 @ 9:14 AM ET
Hextall thinks that. He said Ghost didn't have a great camp last year coming off the injury, and wasn't ready to start the season in the NHL.
- Feanor


That's it in a nut shell.....I disgreed with that decision...just making a comment man....not an indictment of Hextall....I love the guy.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:14 AM ET
My point is that "my" hope is they take the best 6 d man. As far as to why their best defenceman didn't make the team out of training camp...that's Hextalls job. There's always going to be circumstances to work around.
- landros 2


I think in their preseason evaluation, the best 6 made the team.

There may have been some asset management involved in the decisions but I think thats smart anyway. It is a long season and everyone knows things are fluid
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 1 @ 9:16 AM ET
Being "too good for the CHL" ... is not necessarily the same thing as NHL-ready.
- bmeltzer


This... oh god, this.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:21 AM ET
As a 4th line, VDV-PEB-White is fine (though I think they can upgrade from VDV), the problem was that Hak was forced to use them as more of a 3rd line and that was just asking them for way too much.
- BiggE


They're all great character guys and give awesome effort, but they were 3/15 worst possession players in the league all on a line. They were "reliable," but more aptly put, reliably bad. Even if you don't think possession tells the whole story and care about results, when they were on the ice 62% of the goals scored were AGAINST. They were even sheltered too. They are poor even as a 4th line. And yet they were never broken up, not even once.

They need to go and it's important. Hexy has to decide if their character and hustle outweighs hurting the team. It's nothing personal, just business.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:21 AM ET
This... oh god, this.
- Tomahawk


Yeah I think in regards to Konecny...I see it shaking down a lot like Dylan Larkin (probably not as good though).

I think Larkin was obviously too good for the CHL. His game was NHL ready but his body wasnt. His production dwindled as the season carried on.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:22 AM ET
They're all great character guys and give awesome effort, but they were 3/15 worst possession players in the league all on a line. They were "reliable," but more aptly put, reliably bad. Even if you don't think possession tells the whole story and care about results, when they were on the ice 62% of the goals scored were AGAINST. They are poor even as a 4th line. And yet they were never broken up, not even once. They need to go and it's important.
- Mononoke


YEAAAAHHHH!
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 1 @ 9:25 AM ET

- YuenglingJagr

sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 1 @ 9:25 AM ET
Unless they find a taker for Streit or Read
- Jsaquella


i still dont think read is a horrible player, his contract is pretty high for point totals, but the underlying numbers indicate he can still drive play a bit. id like a stacked bottom 6, to take some pressure off the first two lines, something like:

laughton cousins weal/gagner (if they wanna keep gagner on the cheap for a year)
raffl PEB read

streit however i am on board with getting rid of, and i can hope this is the last year for schultz as well. hes a solid defenseman, dont get me wrong, but the floor of his play has definitely gone down since his good year in 14-15.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 1 @ 9:26 AM ET
Unless they find a taker for Streit or Read
- Jsaquella

I think it will be pretty hard. I still think Streit will rebound. I think the DPP he suffered last year truly made his season a wash. And yet, he still was second among the d-men in points.

Read is gonna be a really tough sell unless we retain some of his contract. I think he is still a capable player though.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 1 @ 9:26 AM ET
i still dont think read is a horrible player, his contract is pretty high for point totals, but the underlying numbers indicate he can still drive play a bit. id like a stacked bottom 6, to take some pressure off the first two lines, something like:

laughton cousins weal/gagner (if they wanna keep gagner on the cheap for a year)
raffl PEB read

streit however i am on board with getting rid of, and i can hope this is the last year for schultz as well. hes a solid defenseman, dont get me wrong, but the floor of his play has definitely gone down since his good year in 14-15.

- sjk540


I don't think either is bad, but neither looks like he's part of the future and it gives the Flyers cap help immediately.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 1 @ 9:26 AM ET
I think in their preseason evaluation, the best 6 made the team.

There may have been some asset management involved in the decisions but I think thats smart anyway. It is a long season and everyone knows things are fluid

- YuenglingJagr


i think we can obviously also expect that the opening night d corps will not be the same as the TDL d corps and the end of the season d corps. just like shayne, if provorov or konecny dont make it, i think we can expect to see guys like morin, hagg, leier, straka, NAK, or others step in eventually, hell even Alt might make a run if he has a good beginning to the season.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jul 1 @ 9:28 AM ET
I don't think either is bad, but neither looks like he's part of the future and it gives the Flyers cap help immediately.
- Jsaquella


thats true, how much of that cap we use tho this year is still up in the air. i know hexy would like to have a small cushion so it would help for sure. i dont see us really making a huge splash, if any, until at least next offseason when some more money is freed up and we get Ghost with a long term contract.
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