3 x $3.33 McGinn. Just as I thought.

Who was it who insisted he would get 4 x 4?
- Feanor

McGinn is nothing special. He's Dale Weise but plays top 6 minutes.

You don't evaluate a player like Weise on the basis of point production. Especially in a small sample size with a new team. Any idea why Chicago traded for him for the stretch run?
- MJL

Yeah, I do: They thought he would score

Come on, man -- unless we have significant injuries, he's going to be used like he was in Chicago. He's not getting minutes over a single guy in a healthy Top 6, and that is where his production came from

What are you expecting from him? If you think it's 30 points in third-line usage, it won't
- AllInForFlyers

you can almost count on that

also does he play any special teams? RW I know was used on pp2 but really it was not great, and on pk he was not helpful

ultraman is going to hit you with a karate chop soon better watch it


- Marc D

Come on, man -- unless we have significant injuries, he's going to be used like he was in Chicago. He's not getting minutes over a single guy in a healthy Top 6, and that is where his production came from

What are you expecting from him? If you think it's 30 points in third-line usage, he won't
- AllInForFlyers

He's scored at the same rate as Raffl the past two seasons, even including his struggles in Chicago.

25 points on the 3rd line is a safe prediction. In Montreal he scored 49 ES points in 135 games while only getting 12:34 ES TOI/G.

I'd rather bank the $2.5M and give Leier a chance on the 4th line.

I'm sure Weise will age well though
- PhillySportsGuy

That's where I am

I'd rather bank the $2.5M and give Leier a chance on the 4th line.

I'm sure Weise will age well though
- PhillySportsGuy

I would rather have signed Marchessault 2 years/750k. Or picked up someone later.

I don't know if that was sarcasm, but I don't think paying for his age 28-31 seasons is a huge worry about breaking down.

3 x $3.33 McGinn. Just as I thought.

Who was it who insisted he would get 4 x 4?
- Feanor

..

Come on, man -- unless we have significant injuries, he's going to be used like he was in Chicago. He's not getting minutes over a single guy in a healthy Top 6, and that is where his production came from

What are you expecting from him? If you think it's 30 points in third-line usage, he won't
- AllInForFlyers

I'm expecting around 10 goals and 20 points, which is still an upgrade over White and I like that they added a little more size to their bottom 6.

I'm expecting around 10 goals and 20 points, which is still an upgrade over White and I like that they added a little more size to their bottom 6.
- BiggE

I bet he is closer to 15 goals and 30 points.

He's scored at the same rate as Raffl the past two seasons, even including his struggles in Chicago.

25 points on the 3rd line is a safe prediction.
- Feanor

Raffl is a superior all around player and it's not close. We signed him to 1 less year. Rather have HIM signed to this deal.

He's scored at the same rate as Raffl the past two seasons, even including his struggles in Chicago.

25 points on the 3rd line is a safe prediction.
- Feanor

I hope so, but I don't see it. But I'm one of the people on here who will own it if I am wrong

I'm saying it: People are not going to like this deal 365 days from now, if he gets primarily third-line usage

If I'm wrong, I'll own it.

where did demers go?

R handed 2nd pair D has to be in demand

Some awful contracts today.

Okposo, Perron, Campbell were solid in their own ways. So many deals for guys who will be in their mid to late 30s though on huge cap hits who have already been shown to be breaking down. Some real disaster deals just got inked.
- Mononoke

Yup, should be fun watching Kreici, Bergeron and Backes all break down together in Boston.

I'm expecting around 10 goals and 20 points, which is still an upgrade over White and I like that they added a little more size to their bottom 6.
- BiggE

so because he is an upgrade over white it is a good move? is that how it is being looked at?

Raffl is a superior all around player and it's not close. We signed him to 1 less year. Rather have HIM signed to this deal.
- Mononoke

Can't expect UFAs to give us a discount on July 1st.

you can almost count on that

also does he play any special teams? RW I know was used on pp2 but really it was not great, and on pk he was not helpful
- Marc D

He got some pp time in Montreal, scored 3 pp goals last season.

Yeah, I do: They thought he would score
- AllInForFlyers

They played him 9:01 of average icet ime at ES in the regular season, without PP time, and 8:05 of average ice time in the playoffs at ES without PP time. They didn't get him because of his scoring. He was brought in as a depth role player, and a playoff rental.

I hope so, but I don't see it. But I'm one of the people on here who will own it if I am wrong

I'm saying it: People are not going to like this deal 365 days from now, if he gets primarily third-line usage

If I'm wrong, I'll own it.
- AllInForFlyers

4 years is obviously too much

no one would argue with that

I bet he is closer to 15 goals and 30 points.
- jak521

Possible, all depends on who he plays with and if he gets some time on the 2nd pp unit.

Come on, man -- unless we have significant injuries, he's going to be used like he was in Chicago. He's not getting minutes over a single guy in a healthy Top 6, and that is where his production came from

What are you expecting from him? If you think it's 30 points in third-line usage, he won't
- AllInForFlyers

youre saying empathically that Dale Weise cant score 30 points in a third line capacity. Matt read almost put up 30 points in 3rd line capacity while being a healthy scratch, playing the least amount of minutes in his life, and is 2 years older.

I would rather have signed Marchessault 2 years/750k. Or picked up someone later.

I don't know if that was sarcasm, but I don't think paying for his age 28-31 seasons is a huge worry about breaking down.
- Mononoke

If the Weise deal was 3 years, I'd be ok with it. If it was 2 years, I'd be satisfied. I worry that his game will begin to decline

so because he is an upgrade over white it is a good move? is that how it is being looked at?
- rinaldo

It's a good move, because it's a decent deal. Would I like it better at 3 years, with an aav of 2 million? Sure. But, all in all, it's a solid signing.

4 years is obviously too much

no one would argue with that
- Marc D

no one huh?

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Almost half of Lucic contract is in the form of signing bonus money; full NMC all 7 years and limited NTC (list of teams) last 2 years

jfc EDM
talk about a deal that is going to hurt down the line