Except Vasi is above 95th percentile in high danger save % while Allen is barely over 80th percentile and Vais is 70th percentile in War on Ice adjusted save % while Allen is less than 40th percentile. Also, Vasi has a 20% higher playoff save % and his playoff quality save % is almost DOUBLE that of Allen's. Note that Vasi's save% and QS % both improve tangible in his playoff numbers vs regular season while Allen's decrease tangible in the playoffs.

Allen just got Craig Anderson money, actually more than him and he was a UFA. He got almost as much as Halak who was a UFA. The AAV on Allen's deal has to be smaller even if it means losing a year on the deal. Armstrong did not manage the cap well last year and appears to be struggling with it this off season.

I'm not saying the AAV is 2million too high but every 500-750k matters in this day and age.
- Jason Millen

Val's sample size is pretty small but even so if you're saying you'd rather have him as your goalie than Allen, I would probably agree with you. It does make me nervous that we are now solely dependent on him but as far as the contract goes, it's not horrendous by any means. You can't compare it to a bridge deal and you also can't compare it to guys who are past their prime or have been very prone to injury. This deal covers Allen's prime under 30 years.

I wouldn't say it's a steal but it's not an over payment either. There are teams out there overpaying their goalies to the tune of 6+mil. 4.35 is a very reasonable number for a starter. Like it or not, it's fair market value. The only other option would have been to move him and go with Elliott as the starter but then we would be sitting here with two goalies on the wrong side of 30.

Val's sample size is pretty small but even so if you're saying you'd rather have him as your goalie than Allen, I would probably agree with you. It does make me nervous that we are now solely dependent on him but as far as the contract goes, it's not horrendous by any means. You can't compare it to a bridge deal and you also can't compare it to guys who are past their prime or have been very prone to injury. This deal covers Allen's prime under 30 years.

I wouldn't say it's a steal but it's not an over payment either. There are teams out there overpaying their goalies to the tune of 6+mil. 4.35 is a very reasonable number for a starter. Like it or not, it's fair market value. The only other option would have been to move him and go with Elliott as the starter but then we would be sitting here with two goalies on the wrong side of 30.
- fattyboubatty

Agree.

Allen still makes more nervous, because there are more unknowns. But with that there is more potential for him to become great.

Less than 5 for the prime years of a goalie is a good deal.

almost a point per game player after the trade to anaheim. only 28 has scored 28 goals in a season. had only a few points less than Brouwer in less games. Everyone on the Penguins suffered under Johnston.

So if 30 plus year olds are getting six million and five years and over four million for four years then relatively speaking he is a steal.

"Perron said #stlblues called as soon as free agency window opened. Said it was Hitch pushing to get him signed as much as anyone." Lou Kuroc.
- BluemanGuruu

Hey, even Stewart would look good and be a point per game for stretches.

Over the past two years he has been a 12 goal and around 35 point player. That sounds like Sobotka to me, and everyone thinks his deal at almost 3 is too high.

So I don't see how almost 4 is a steal for Perron, who is basically only an offensive player that doesn't put up big numbers.

Hey, even Stewart would look good and be a point per game for stretches.

Over the past two years he has been a 12 goal and around 35 point player. That sounds like Sobotka to me, and everyone thinks his deal at almost 3 is too high.

So I don't see how almost 4 is a steal for Perron, who is basically only an offensive player that doesn't put up big numbers.
- carcus

I'm pretty surprised they brought him back, he was probably the last guy I would have guessed they signed. I always liked his skill though, and if they want to get faster and more skilled, they did that while also saving about a million and a couple years over what they would have paid for Brouwer.

The team would have been screwed for years if they had signed Backes and Brouwer to those deals. They are already slow and will only get slower as the years go on. Looking at those not to mention the Lucic, Ladd, and Okposo contracts, Perron's is not much of an overpayment by any means.

I just hope they can move Shatty and not end up losing him for nothing.

I'm pretty surprised they brought him back, he was probably the last guy I would have guessed they signed. I always liked his skill though, and if they want to get faster and more skilled, they did that while also saving about a million and a couple years over what they would have paid for Brouwer.

The team would have been screwed for years if they had signed Backes and Brouwer to those deals. They are already slow and will only get slower as the years go on. Looking at those not to mention the Lucic, Ladd, and Okposo contracts, Perron's is not much of an overpayment by any means.

I just hope they can move Shatty and not end up losing him for nothing.
- fattyboubatty

Remember how slow those players looked in the regular season when the ice is a bit more open.

Perron was almost a point per game player with Anaheim. Crosby was terrible under Johnston as well to the point everyone was wondering if he lost it and I thought he had.

Hey, even Stewart would look good and be a point per game for stretches.

Over the past two years he has been a 12 goal and around 35 point player. That sounds like Sobotka to me, and everyone thinks his deal at almost 3 is too high.

So I don't see how almost 4 is a steal for Perron, who is basically only an offensive player that doesn't put up big numbers.
- carcus

Sobotka has NEVER reached 10 goals in a NHL season.

Sobotka has NEVER reached 10 goals in a NHL season.
- Jason Millen

Yes, I know.

But the difference between 9 & 12 in a season isn't a big difference.

Yes, I know.

But the difference between 9 & 12 in a season isn't a big difference.
- carcus

or say 9 and 28

or say 9 and 28
- BluemanGuruu

I was taking about what he has done lately.

Last two years, he has 12 goals each year. Yes, he had 28 playing in Edmonton, where he was playing a bigger role and likely much more minutes than he will here. But the past two seasons he scored 12 per which isn't anything to get excited about.

I hope he has turned it around, but he was always a one dimensional player who wasn't the brightest on or off the ice.

On the bright side, people shouldn't get too mad about Magnus anymore now that he was basically the return for loaning Perron out for a few years.

Looking for silver linings this offseason, with Brouwer and Backes gone there should be a lot more ice time for the guys who are supposed to put the puck in the net.

Seems like every post season we see the wrong line get hot and probably end up on the ice more than they should.

I was taking about what he has done lately.

Last two years, he has 12 goals each year. Yes, he had 28 playing in Edmonton, where he was playing a bigger role and likely much more minutes than he will here. But the past two seasons he scored 12 per which isn't anything to get excited about.

I hope he has turned it around, but he was always a one dimensional player who wasn't the brightest on or off the ice.

On the bright side, people shouldn't get too mad about Magnus anymore now that he was basically the return for loaning Perron out for a few years.


- carcus

Most of his time in Pitts he was a first liner adn first pp.

He was a two way player here who back checked. his numbers are good on defense.

no he scored 17 goals during a trade year and half a season with one of .edmonton's worst years of this crap. he scored twelve goals after the trade which was if I recall around the deadline.

The start of the season the coach and a lot of offensive pieces not allowed to play offense hurt.

Then he went to the Ducks and was good again and nearly a point per game player. In gact his production slowed after he hurt a shoulder.

I am just pointing out facts.

28' 17, 12. 12 isn't really far away from 18.

So brighten up man, drink some kool aid.

Most of his time in Pitts he was a first liner adn first pp.

He was a two way player here who back checked. his numbers are good on defense.

no he scored 17 goals during a trade year and half a season with one of .edmonton's worst years of this crap. he scored twelve goals after the trade which was if I recall around the deadline.

The start of the season the coach and a lot of offensive pieces not allowed to play offense hurt.

Then he went to the Ducks and was good again and nearly a point per game player. In gact his production slowed after he hurt a shoulder.

I am just pointing out facts.

28' 17, 12. 12 isn't really far away from 18.

So brighten up man, drink some kool aid.
- BluemanGuruu

Yeah, so I missed that he split time the year before as well.

So 28, 17, then 12 last year. I see a trend there. Let's hope it reverses since we just have him almost 4 per. And pretty much full years each season. All over 70 games played.

Sorry, not on board with bringing him back.

Yeah, so I missed that he split time the year before as well.

So 28, 17, then 12 last year. I see a trend there. Let's hope it reverses since we just have him almost 4 per. And pretty much full years each season. All over 70 games played.

Sorry, not on board with bringing him back.
- carcus

It's okay man.

Maybe the Blues try and sign Pirri?

A Fowler for Shatty deal would not be bad. Save $250k in cap, get a good LD for a few yearswith good value.

A Fowler for Shatty deal would not be bad. Save $250k in cap, get a good LD for a few yearswith good value.
- BluemanGuruu

Agreed.

Backes for 5 years and 30 million looks even worse the day after.

Backes for 5 years and 30 million looks even worse the day after.
- Yeah Boyes

My prediction is, he's got one maybe two 20 goal seasons in him. I wouldn't expect more than 15 in the last few years of that deal.

My prediction is, he's got one maybe two 20 goal seasons in him. I wouldn't expect more than 15 in the last few years of that deal.
- fattyboubatty

he will flourish in Boston with pressure taken off of him. Probably hits 30 goals for a few seasons. 15 it too low of a number for him. Hope the best for him

he will flourish in Boston with pressure taken off of him. Probably hits 30 goals for a few seasons. 15 it too low of a number for him. Hope the best for him
- BluesDroogie

The pressure will be worse in Boston especially after being the big name free agent signing.

Now I say good for you for getting paid. But putting a price on your loyalty means I can now wish for and maybe enjoy a little bit your failure. A little schenden fruede. Not too much pleasure because there will be some guilt, but knowing a million more here or there after already making millions and those tears he sheds are nothing more than crocodile tears. They have no meaning. Or perhaps he reaized change was coming and he failed to deliver in St. Louis.

The pressure will be worse in Boston especially after being the big name free agent signing.

Now I say good for you for getting paid. But putting a price on your loyalty means I can now wish for and maybe enjoy a little bit your failure. A little schenden fruede. Not too much pleasure because there will be some guilt, but knowing a million more here or there after already making millions and those tears he sheds are nothing more than crocodile tears. They have no meaning. Or perhaps he reaized change was coming and he failed to deliver in St. Louis.
- BluemanGuruu

they have Bergeron. that is their star player. krecji and marcjand, them Chara. they have players to distorct from Backes He may not be great there but he will do well

poo poo on drugs, wired off my butt

poo poo on drugs, wired off my butt
- BluesDroogie

it was fun but damn

they have Bergeron. that is their star player. krecji and marcjand, them Chara. they have players to distorct from Backes He may not be great there but he will do well
- BluesDroogie

yeah. and i wish him well as well.

so reading his little piece in the Post, apparently it was how Jackman was dealt with that caused him to not trust the Blues and not want to give up the extra year.

Really sucks he couldn't trust them to go on a year to year contract after four years.

Nilsson was moved to Buffalo for a fifth rounder. I liked his play more than Hutton's. Hutton is coming in as Elliott to push the two young kids.

yeah. and i wish him well as well.

so reading his little piece in the Post, apparently it was how Jackman was dealt with that caused him to not trust the Blues and not want to give up the extra year.

Really sucks he couldn't trust them to go on a year to year contract after four years.

Nilsson was moved to Buffalo for a fifth rounder. I liked his play more than Hutton's. Hutton is coming in as Elliott to push the two young kids.
- BluemanGuruu

i dont trust Armstrong, he has made bad decisions and it negatively affecting the team we love. If i were Stillman i would have fired Armstrong by now

yeah. and i wish him well as well.

so reading his little piece in the Post, apparently it was how Jackman was dealt with that caused him to not trust the Blues and not want to give up the extra year.

Really sucks he couldn't trust them to go on a year to year contract after four years.

Nilsson was moved to Buffalo for a fifth rounder. I liked his play more than Hutton's. Hutton is coming in as Elliott to push the two young kids.
- BluemanGuruu

The goalie position just got a lot dicier for the Blues. Hutton is not a good insurance policy imho, not better than Nilsson.