Return of the Roar
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Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL Joined: 07.27.2009
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It won't, it will be around 1.5 mil. However, if Panarin doesn't hit his bonuses (and no one else does either) that saves us another 3.1 mil. Plus, Scuderi's cap hit will come off the books next year (1.1 mil). Also, Rundblads contract will be over another 100k saved. That is 5.8 mil opening up in cap, so if Panarin takes 6 mil or less AAV I think we will be alright. - BearsnHawks
Here is to hoping this can happen. Canadian dollar value is the key. |
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blackhawk24
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Location: Lake in the Hills, IL Joined: 06.06.2009
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But the HRR will be split by 31 teams instead of 30, which by definition kind of means less.
And the $500MM franchise fee is all for the owners.
At best the accelerator will cover Panarin's bonus. - Return of the Roar
This ass clown Bettman is screwing the NHL. |
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blackhawk24
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Location: Lake in the Hills, IL Joined: 06.06.2009
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Here is to hoping this can happen. Canadian dollar value is the key. - Return of the Roar
Just as soon as oil prices climb nicely. Yeah most will hate it. But until there is a better formula, or a new NHL FO, it is a necessary evil. Cuz TV revenue sure as hell ain't gonna do it. See that Rogers report the other day out of Canada? Yikes. |
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BearsnHawks
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Location: TX Joined: 07.01.2012
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The expansion fee is not part of HRR - it all goes to the owners.
The cap could go down even if the escalator is approved - it's applied to what the cap would have been without it, not to what the cap was last year. - StLBravesFan
I thought it increased each teams cap by 5% not the leagues grossed cap. |
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It's difficult to quantify individual player's worth to the success of the team in a fluid game like hockey, even with all the new metrics available. I confess I'm an old geezer and trust my eyes more than all the fancy new measurements. So regarding talk of trading Panarin next year if he wants "Tarasenko money" - I strongly disagree with that sentiment. I think Panarin is the 4th most valuable player on the Hawks, behind only our 3 Conn Smythe winners. Do I hope we can sign him for $6M (or less)? Sure. Do I show him the door if he wants Tarasenko money ($7.5M)? Nope, I find a way to keep him. |
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blackhawk24
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Location: Lake in the Hills, IL Joined: 06.06.2009
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I thought it increased each teams cap by 5% not the leagues grossed cap. - BearsnHawks
Escalator increases cap 5% from where it was going to be before being exercised.
The expansion fee goes to the league FO and the owners. For LV, I understand each team will get about $15M, and the league FO something in the $50M neighborhood. |
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BearsnHawks
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Escalator increases cap 5% from where it was going to be before being exercised.
The expansion fee goes to the league FO and the owners. For LV, I understand each team will get about $15M, and the league FO something in the $50M neighborhood. - blackhawk24
So that none of the $500 mil is included in the league's income (that determines the cap)? I would think the nhlpa would have issue with that. |
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JohnScott
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Location: Gene & Jude's Parking Lot, IL Joined: 03.28.2013
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It's difficult to quantify individual player's worth to the success of the team in a fluid game like hockey, even with all the new metrics available. I confess I'm an old geezer and trust my eyes more than all the fancy new measurements. So regarding talk of trading Panarin next year if he wants "Tarasenko money" - I strongly disagree with that sentiment. I think Panarin is the 4th most valuable player on the Hawks, behind only our 3 Conn Smythe winners. Do I hope we can sign him for $6M (or less)? Sure. Do I show him the door if he wants Tarasenko money ($7.5M)? Nope, I find a way to keep him. - EbonyRaptor
I completely agree with that sentiment on doing what it takes to sign Panarin. I would rather that deal get done sooner rather than later though. The longer it takes to extend him, the more leverage he has in asking for more money. Of course, this all counts on him matching his season from last year. I think your trustful eyes feel he is going to be a solid player for years to come, and so do mine. So, I think signing him to a Barkov-like contract would be perfect. |
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Location: VA Joined: 10.05.2015
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And that team also had Saad, Sharp and Johnny O. Dont have those guys anymore. - z1990z
My point exactly. Stop worrying about the bottom pair of defenders and the 3rd and 4th lines. It will be as good and probably better than 2015. If you sign Campbell our top 4 defenders are as good or better than 2015. We have a very very good top 5 forwards (Toews, Kane, Panarin, Hossa, Anisimov). If we can add a quality LW this lineup looks just as good or better than 2015. |
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StLBravesFan
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2011
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So that none of the $500 mil is included in the league's income (that determines the cap)? I would think the nhlpa would have issue with that. - BearsnHawks
It's that way in every league - return of capital/capital gain, not revenue.
Logistically, how would it work anyways - a one-time cap increase and then back to "normal"? |
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Marlowe
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Location: Wild Wild West, IL Joined: 06.29.2014
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Does soupy pull a Stamkos? Hope not!
Per @GeorgeRichards
Brian Campbell made $7.1 in final year of deal w/ #FlaPanthers last year; heard he was offered 1 and 2-year deals by team. He's UFA tomorrow
Brian Campbell wants to play in Chicago, don't think Blackhawks have the $. Heard #FlaPanthers offered a little more than Mitchell's deal |
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BearsnHawks
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It's that way in every league - return of capital/capital gain, not revenue.
Logistically, how would it work anyways - a one-time cap increase and then back to "normal"? - StLBravesFan
I guess one would hope that the team would be an improvement on the league income and not a team that needs to be carried by the other teams. Hopefully they would make a net positive income (not $500 mil) but enough to not be a floor team. |
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Depends on the team.
All I heard was a first round pick but that was a while back before TOR and CGY filled their needs. Now it may be whatever the Hawks can get and save some money.
OR, only if it's a pretty good deal.
The logistics of signing Campbell, a winger and filling out the rest of the roster are tough.
CC to BUF (as a conversation between the clubs) is a rumor that started in February 2015. It has not died since, right up to today. - John Jaeckel
Wouldn't he still have to approve any trade? Somehow I don't see him accepting a trade to buffalo if he wouldn't accept one to Calgary. What you think JJ? |
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lovinhawks
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Location: IL Joined: 06.17.2016
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When does 1 year of work make u $6-$7 mil value seems to me a little inflated |
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JRoenick97
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Location: Spokane, WA Joined: 07.20.2012
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Does soupy pull a Stamkos? Hope not!
Per @GeorgeRichards
Brian Campbell made $7.1 in final year of deal w/ #FlaPanthers last year; heard he was offered 1 and 2-year deals by team. He's UFA tomorrow
Brian Campbell wants to play in Chicago, don't think Blackhawks have the $. Heard #FlaPanthers offered a little more than Mitchell's deal - Marlowe
Hopefully Richards is just being optimistic. Soupy already said it wasn't about money and he preferred Chicago. Another tweet earlier said it was all but done.
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lovinhawks
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Location: IL Joined: 06.17.2016
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Everyone talks about rolling 4 lines kinda hard do with the high salaries. Hawks need to make make bold changes . I'm not smart enough but some salaries need moved |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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Grusso retweeted a link that says Frans Nielsen will be signing with the Red Wings - ikeane
Just dodged the gotta root against Stamkos bullet but it's Nielsen I'll have to root against instead.. Too bad this guy is a solid 2C.
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When does 1 year of work make u $6-$7 mil value seems to me a little inflated - lovinhawks
Your worth is what the market says you're worth. I don't find it hard to believe another team would pony up $6M-$7M for Panarin. Do you?
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SimpleJack
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Location: Chicago , IL Joined: 05.23.2013
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My point exactly. Stop worrying about the bottom pair of defenders and the 3rd and 4th lines. It will be as good and probably better than 2015. If you sign Campbell our top 4 defenders are as good or better than 2015. We have a very very good top 5 forwards (Toews, Kane, Panarin, Hossa, Anisimov). If we can add a quality LW this lineup looks just as good or better than 2015. - -Doh-
Agreed on Campbell and i hope they get it done.
But IMO there simply isn't enough cap room to look for a quality top 6 LW. Slot Panik in as the other top 6 LW, and try to use the remaining cap space to add 2 quality 3rd line players instead(assuming Schmaltz, Kruger, Desjardins, and 1 of Hartman/Rasmussen/Lundberg/Motte make up the other 4 bottom 6 spots). |
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SimpleJack
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Location: Chicago , IL Joined: 05.23.2013
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Everyone talks about rolling 4 lines kinda hard do with the high salaries. Hawks need to make make bold changes . I'm not smart enough but some salaries need moved - lovinhawks
cough cough Crawford cough, ehhem.... |
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SimpleJack
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Location: Chicago , IL Joined: 05.23.2013
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Your worth is what the market says you're worth. I don't find it hard to believe another team would pony up $6M-$7M for Panarin. Do you? - EbonyRaptor
If not more |
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JohnScott
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When does 1 year of work make u $6-$7 mil value seems to me a little inflated - lovinhawks
The better question is, do you like him on the Blackhawks? If yes, than signing him sooner below that $6-$7 mil range is probably possible, but letting him get to this time of the year in 2017... He will definitely make that kind of money. |
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Marlowe
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Location: Wild Wild West, IL Joined: 06.29.2014
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Hopefully Richards is just being optimistic. Soupy already said it wasn't about money and he preferred Chicago. Another tweet earlier said it was all but done. - JRoenick97
Richards is the Panthers beat guy I think. Hoping Soupy picks Chicago. |
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maria_wyeth
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It's difficult to quantify individual player's worth to the success of the team in a fluid game like hockey, even with all the new metrics available. I confess I'm an old geezer and trust my eyes more than all the fancy new measurements. So regarding talk of trading Panarin next year if he wants "Tarasenko money" - I strongly disagree with that sentiment. I think Panarin is the 4th most valuable player on the Hawks, behind only our 3 Conn Smythe winners. Do I hope we can sign him for $6M (or less)? Sure. Do I show him the door if he wants Tarasenko money ($7.5M)? Nope, I find a way to keep him. - EbonyRaptor
And think of how valuable he will be to the Hawks when those 3 Conn Smythe winners start to decline. I'm definitely with you, this kind of talent doesn't show up that often. You find a way to keep the kid. |
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lovinhawks
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cough cough Crawford cough, ehhem.... - SimpleJack
don't think that's enough |
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