That's right. He's 23. An age where most top end defensemen are producing at a much higher rate than he is. And on an offensively inept team, his skills didn't warrant him getting much powerplay time.
- Antilles

23, an age where most young Dmen begin to come into their own. In fact, most Dmen don't peak until 25. He's also Swedish which historically adds time to his growth and transition (Hedman, Kronwall, Edler, Hjalmarsson, etc). Instead of PP time, he was the team's top shutdown option along with Greene and was a better possession player away from Greene despite facing harder ZS% when separate. He's also been passing to Henrique, Palmieri, and Cammalleri whereas now he'll be passing to McDavid, Eberle, Draisaitl, Nuge, Puljujarvi, etc.

Anything else?

As far as the expansion draft, I guess we'll protect, Leon, Nuge, Eberle, Lucic (if he signs), Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson/Pouliot/other, and Talbot. Solid core with McDavid, PUJU, and Nurse as well as a solid prospect pool. I'm glad I got ahead of myself a few weeks back and prepared my mind for trading anyone except McDavid or Klefbom
- MaximumBone

I was ready to see Hall dealt I mean it was always possible but I guess the return wasnt what I was hoping for.....that being said im mostly over being pissed off about it....I still think this is a trade we lose today but in 2-3 years time that might be a different story.....people wanted BOLD and for better or worse thats exectly what happened today

I honestly dont think he pulls the trigger on the Hall trade without having someone to put into that spot so I can only assume Lucic is an Oiler as of Friday...I see you didnt have Demers on your list are you thinking he doesnt sign after all?....Also perhaps PC isnt done yet maybe he makes another deal or two before its all set and done
- RatedR80

I'm just hesitant to add that much salary unless Fayne and Korpikoski are on their way out. The way I see it, Fayne is a place holder for the last year of his contract to allow Nurse to regain momentum and break into the top-4 in the following years. If we bring in Demers, not only would Nurse's spot be occupied (nothing wrong with depth) but we'd also risk losing Davidson. Not the end of the world, but I can't help but think he keeps improving and being a cheap option.

I'm just hesitant to add that much salary unless Fayne and Korpikoski are on their way out. The way I see it, Fayne is a place holder for the last year of his contract to allow Nurse to regain momentum and break into the top-4 in the following years. If we bring in Demers, not only would Nurse's spot be occupied (nothing wrong with depth) but we'd also risk losing Davidson. Not the end of the world, but I can't help but think he keeps improving and being a cheap option.
- MaximumBone

Maybe it wont be Demers perhaps there could be another trade for like Dumba or someone else....after today I cant say PC will just sit and idle

23, an age where most young Dmen begin to come into their own. In fact, most Dmen don't peak until 25. He's also Swedish which historically adds time to his growth and transition (Hedman, Kronwall, Edler, Hjalmarsson, etc). Instead of PP time, he was the team's top shutdown option along with Greene and was a better possession player away from Greene despite facing harder ZS% when separate. He's also been passing to Henrique, Palmieri, and Cammalleri whereas now he'll be passing to McDavid, Eberle, Draisaitl, Nuge, Puljujarvi, etc.

Anything else?
- MaximumBone

Yes thats quite the difference as far as forwards go for sure he will probably get career highs in points next year....I just hope he remains healthy and doesnt fall off a cliff as far as defending actually goes

I honestly dont think he pulls the trigger on the Hall trade without having someone to put into that spot so I can only assume Lucic is an Oiler as of Friday...I see you didnt have Demers on your list are you thinking he doesnt sign after all?....Also perhaps PC isnt done yet maybe he makes another deal or two before its all set and done
- RatedR80

If Lucic isn't signed, that's when you're allowed to call for Chiarelli's head. I don't have a doubt in my mind that there is another trade coming.

My hope is that they can some how pry Trouba or Barrie away.
Yakupov and Nugent-Hopkins have to be on the move
A lot of people are forgetting that our first is a pretty big trade chip as well.

Maybe it wont be Demers perhaps there could be another trade for like Dumba or someone else....after today I cant say PC will just sit and idle
- RatedR80

Even after this trade, I'd still be receptive to a Nuge for Dumba and Haula followed by a Fayne for Bozak deal. Add Yak for Jurco and Lander and Musil for McNiell. Sign aforementioned Dmen. Trade Korpse back to Arizona.

Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendricks, Cagiulla, Slepyshev
McDavid, Leon, Haula, Letestu, McNeill, Khaira
Eberle, Bozak, Jurco, Kassian, Pakarinen, PUJU

Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Oesterle, Nurse, Reinhart, Simpson
Larsson, Dumba, Redmond, Palliotta

Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I just like the idea of a faster, grittier, and better balanced lineup.

If Lucic isn't signed, that's when you're allowed to call for Chiarelli's head. I don't have a doubt in my mind that there is another trade coming.

My hope is that they can some how pry Trouba or Barrie away.
Yakupov and Nugent-Hopkins have to be on the move
A lot of people are forgetting that our first is a pretty big trade chip as well.
- ursisterisabomb

Pretty big trade chip perhaps but no way Chiarelli trades him he is the type of player that Chiarelli loves....if its Trouba then its probably Nurse going back the other way...I dont know who they would give up for Barrie...Dumba is still possible too I guess....gonna be an interesting week and a half or so for sure

23, an age where most young Dmen begin to come into their own. In fact, most Dmen don't peak until 25. He's also Swedish which historically adds time to his growth and transition (Hedman, Kronwall, Edler, Hjalmarsson, etc). Instead of PP time, he was the team's top shutdown option along with Greene and was a better possession player away from Greene despite facing harder ZS% when separate. He's also been passing to Henrique, Palmieri, and Cammalleri whereas now he'll be passing to McDavid, Eberle, Draisaitl, Nuge, Puljujarvi, etc.

Anything else?
- MaximumBone

Victor Hedman produced at twice the rate of Larsson at 23. So did Edler. The fact you traded Hall for a guy who looks to be the next Hjalmarsson is exactly what people are saying is a problem. You need the next Keith or Seabrook, not the next Hjalmarsson.

The only reason him being used as a shutdown guy stopped him from being used on the powerplay is if he couldnt handle more than the 22 minutes a night he was playing. Again, a problem if you are looking at him as a number 1.

Larsson is a decent player. That doesn't make it a good move to trade Hall for the next Hjarmalsson. Oilers fans deserve a team run better than what is being done currently.

Even after this trade, I'd still be receptive to a Nuge for Dumba and Haula followed by a Fayne for Bozak deal. Add Yak for Jurco and Lander and Musil for McNiell. Sign aforementioned Dmen. Trade Korpse back to Arizona.

Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendricks, Cagiulla, Slepyshev
McDavid, Leon, Haula, Letestu, McNeill, Khaira
Eberle, Bozak, Jurco, Kassian, Pakarinen, PUJU

Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Oesterle, Nurse, Reinhart, Simpson
Larsson, Dumba, Redmond, Palliotta

Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I just like the idea of a faster, grittier, and better balanced lineup.
- MaximumBone

The days of being labled as soft or made of glass would be more or less over...thats a pretty big team...not the biggest but much more then before...a couple of days ago I was wondering if PC was going to make any move now im just thinking whats next?

Pretty big trade chip perhaps but no way Chiarelli trades him he is the type of player that Chiarelli loves....if its Trouba then its probably Nurse going back the other way...I dont know who they would give up for Barrie...Dumba is still possible too I guess....gonna be an interesting week and a half or so for sure
- RatedR80

Honestly at this point Nurse for Trouba isn't the worst thing that can happen (we can always offer sheet him if they don't sign him)

Even after this trade, I'd still be receptive to a Nuge for Dumba and Haula followed by a Fayne for Bozak deal. Add Yak for Jurco and Lander and Musil for McNiell. Sign aforementioned Dmen. Trade Korpse back to Arizona.

Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendricks, Cagiulla, Slepyshev
McDavid, Leon, Haula, Letestu, McNeill, Khaira
Eberle, Bozak, Jurco, Kassian, Pakarinen, PUJU

Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Oesterle, Nurse, Reinhart, Simpson
Larsson, Dumba, Redmond, Palliotta

Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I just like the idea of a faster, grittier, and better balanced lineup.
- MaximumBone

LOL, you're gm aint pulling those moves off. you guys starting your tank for the lottery pick early ....

Victor Hedman produced at twice the rate of Larsson at 23. So did Edler. The fact you traded Hall for a guy who looks to be the next Hjalmarsson is exactly what people are saying is a problem. You need the next Keith or Seabrook, not the next Hjalmarsson.

The only reason him being used as a shutdown guy stopped him from being used on the powerplay is if he couldnt handle more than the 22 minutes a night he was playing. Again, a problem if you are looking at him as a number 1.

Larsson is a decent player. That doesn't make it a good move to trade Hall for the next Hjarmalsson. Oilers fans deserve a team run better than what is being done currently.
- Antilles

It's like you didn't backread. We've been over this countless times and I'm not about to type it out in full detail again.

Put simply, this was the cost of doing business. Actual #1 Dmen aren't traded, Chiarelli was negotiating with some desperation, and he believes Larsson's potential is far from reached. Beyond that, other teams have been low-balling Oiler GMs for about 3 years now knowing they're bound to cave eventually. This is merely culmination of that.

Not making a move and being paralyzed into only adding Demers this offseason would've equated to a failure and status quo (which HAS to be unacceptable). You're welcome to disagree with the trade (we've all expressed our discontent with the loss in value), but don't speak as if we don't know all this already. We're finding the positives in a less than ideal situation; it's normal.

Honestly at this point Nurse for Trouba isn't the worst thing that can happen (we can always offer sheet him if they don't sign him)
- ursisterisabomb

Its been debated on and off around here and it seems to be split...some are in favor of it and some arent...if we got Trouba without trading Nurse thats a scary future right side you got there

Its been debated on and off around here and it seems to be split...some are in favor of it and some arent...if we got Trouba without trading Nurse thats a scary future right side you got there
- RatedR80

I've been a proponent of that trade since late last season. In fact, I think I might've started it Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, and Trouba would be an amazing top-4 in like 2 years.

I've been a proponent of that trade since late last season. In fact, I think I might've started it Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, and Trouba would be an amazing top-4 in like 2 years.
- MaximumBone

That trade wouldnt be a terrible one.....not on the level of say a Subban for Weber straight up...you know it could be debated if our trade was even the worst one made today

That trade wouldnt be a terrible one.....not on the level of say a Subban for Weber straight up...you know it could be debated if our trade was even the worst one made today
- RatedR80

Montreal got taken to the cleaners and back. They can say Weber is a better teacher and leader and all that, but at the end of the day they gave up the better offensive guy, the younger guy, and took on the longer contract (obscenely long to boot). At least with Hall moving, it was to fill a positional need; there's no precedent there. At least it's still a good D corps with Weber, Markov, Beaulieu, Petry, Emelin, and one of Pateryn or Ellis.

Montreal got taken to the cleaners and back. They can say Weber is a better teacher and leader and all that, but at the end of the day they gave up the better offensive guy, the younger guy, and took on the longer contract (obscenely long to boot). At least with Hall moving, it was to fill a positional need; there's no precedent there. At least it's still a good D corps with Weber, Markov, Beaulieu, Petry, Emelin, and one of Pateryn or Ellis.
- MaximumBone

I agree I think the preds made out great with that deal and they could be a team to watch out for next year...if they werent already......I would do that deal 7 days a week...that contract of Webers is going to kill them at the end of his term while Subban will still be in his prime...well more so then Weber anyways...im not saying ours wasnt a bad deal but Subban for Weber made me laugh after seeing Hall getting traded

I dont like the trade for the record but if the Oilers do sign Lucic and possibly Demers, which trading away Hall tells me that Lucic for sure should be an Oiler next season, I don't think they will be as bad next season.

I mean essentially they will lose Hall for Larsson, Puljarvi, Lucic and hopefully Demers once the season starts. That's a pretty decent improvement any way you slice it.

Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Pouliot-Nugent-Puljarvi
Maroon-Drasaitl-Yakupov
Korpikoski-Letestu-Hendricks

Sekera-Larsson
Klefbom-Fayne
Nurse-Demers

Not 100% on Oiler combinations but that back end looks alot better, especially if Demers does sign on with them.

I agree I think the preds made out great with that deal and they could be a team to watch out for next year...if they werent already......I would do that deal 7 days a week...that contract of Webers is going to kill them at the end of his term while Subban will still be in his prime...well more so then Weber anyways...im not saying ours wasnt a bad deal but Subban for Weber made me laugh after seeing Hall getting traded
- RatedR80

The last three 4 years of the deal they pay him less actual dollars than his yearly cap hit. It'll be a surprisingly easy contract to rid yourself of once he's 35. The one thing I don't get is how Nashville convinced them to take the contract before the signing bonus kicks in for the year. $13, 000, 000 in one go, then a remaining million for the season. Wild.

This deal saves Nashville real dollars in the short term, and Montreal gets more "contract" years for less dollars later on.

Still a terrible trade. Poorly done.

The last three 4 years of the deal they pay him less actual dollars than his yearly cap hit. It'll be a surprisingly easy contract to rid yourself of once he's 35. The one thing I don't get is how Nashville convinced them to take the contract before the signing bonus kicks in for the year. $13, 000, 000 in one go, then a remaining million for the season. Wild.

This deal saves Nashville real dollars in the short term, and Montreal gets more "contract" years for less dollars later on.

Still a terrible trade. Poorly done.
- Viktory

I can only assume that Subban really wore out his welcome over there or why else would they do it? just makes no sense to me but I guess this is a day where nothing made sense...even Stamkos resigning for 8.5 per year came off as a surprise considering the numbers that were getting tossed around

Even the most inept of us knew it was coming. I wanted MacT gone but his fingerprints are not on this deal. Saying that, I also claimed that I would target Larsson after the deadline claiming I think he is about to become the next Hedman. Many agreed that his game is about to turn around but that he isn't available and that my proposal of Nuge + 1st was either not enough (from devil fans) or too much ( from oil fans). I am content with this deal. Probably should have got a + in it, but I think within 2 years we will all be happy/content.

I can only assume that Subban really wore out his welcome over there or why else would they do it? just makes no sense to me but I guess this is a day where nothing made sense...even Stamkos resigning for 8.5 per year came off as a surprise considering the numbers that were getting tossed around
- RatedR80

I am behind on these fast moving stories. I have been preoccupied at work getting last minute things done before starting a summer of fishing. When I got in car yesterday I heard everything announced all at once:

Subban traded
Webber traded
Hall traded
Larsson traded
Stamkos resigned by Tamps

My very first thought was that Edmonton was chasing Webber. Edmonton was chasing Subban and in an instant the deal between Nashville and Montreal shut down those options. I wondered if the Larsson for Hall deal was a knee jerk reaction after being shut out on the other two Dmen.

Is there any indication that Chiarelli was in on Subban or Webber?

I woke up this morning with a big smile on my face Thank you Chiarelli!

Today @ 12:16 AM ET
I don't think it's as bad as some are making it out to be. I'd assume he's not done yet, plus, they just finished second last in the league yet again but you don't want change....I don't get it!

The cost to acquire a young defenseman is obviously really really high. Ryan Johansen had 63 points 33 goals as a 22 yr old, 71 points 26 goals as a 23 yr old CENTER, do you think he should've returned more than Seth Jones?

What a lame comparison.
1. Taylor Hall is better than Ryan Johansson....not by mile, but better
2. Seth Jones is better than Larson in EVERY way...points, speed, puck moving....

Taylor hall for Seth Jones MAY have still been bad, but MUCH more tolerable. But, for Larson????? Gimme a break. I was liking the Oilers chances of really making a step forward over the next 2-3 years. Now, they have to try that DISPITE the internal sabataging......not liking those chances nearly as much now.