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glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Jun 30 @ 8:51 AM ET
remember this post? those were the days. fyi, when I was talking about a hall for hamonic trade I assuming hamonic ++.
- Isles_since_6


Good times.
rocheccw
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 08.15.2007

Jun 30 @ 8:52 AM ET
This is just awful. When I saw the trade I thought it was a joke. You don't make that trade on NHL16.

When I realized it was real I thought of two things:

1. The internet in Edmonton is about to break.
2. Now on the clock for the 2017 NHL draft - The Edmonton Oilers!!!

Canes could have sent you a much better RHD for Hall!!!
JexBurton
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 01.24.2013

Jun 30 @ 8:55 AM ET
Not a surprising article to follow up your last one. Look what we've got back from trades in the past. Pronger, smyth, weight, even the souray deal. This is how it goes, regardless of who is in charge. I love all you media arm chair gm's. Do you really think, with all your sources and years or management experience, that there could be a better deal? You should really not let your emotions get you, and write something positive for once. I use to like your articles, but for the last year you've been a Debbie downer. It's just a game, not your life . You coming off of this article like this is the worst thing to ever happen to you. Once again it's just a game, chill out. Two words to hopefully cheer you up from this devastating ordeal..... Conner mcdavid 😉
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 30 @ 8:58 AM ET
You all should be ashamed of yourself
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jun 30 @ 9:03 AM ET
Whose future is brighter, the Rangers or the Canucks?
- Aetherial


The Canucks have the brighter uniforms... Is that what you mean?
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 30 @ 9:10 AM ET
Matt Henderson: Chiarelli Cracks Under Pressure
- Matt_Henderson


Taylor Hall >>>> Ryan Johansen

Seth Jones >>>> Adam Larsson


Chia went full MacTard and you never go full MacTard
Conquest
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:14 AM ET
Not a surprising article to follow up your last one. Look what we've got back from trades in the past. Pronger, smyth, weight, even the souray deal. This is how it goes, regardless of who is in charge. I love all you media arm chair gm's. Do you really think, with all your sources and years or management experience, that there could be a better deal? You should really not let your emotions get you, and write something positive for once. I use to like your articles, but for the last year you've been a Debbie downer. It's just a game, not your life . You coming off of this article like this is the worst thing to ever happen to you. Once again it's just a game, chill out. Two words to hopefully cheer you up from this devastating ordeal..... Conner mcdavid 😉
- JexBurton


Is this a joke? Other GMs would have likely offered much better defensemen plus picks for Hall... Chiarelli just jumped the gun on the first deal he saw, most likely, since it was an underrated RHD; doesn't mean the trade was remotely equal. There's a reason almost every person on here said "sure that can't be it, there must be a 1st rounder and prospects thrown in too"
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 30 @ 9:14 AM ET
Not a surprising article to follow up your last one. Look what we've got back from trades in the past. Pronger, smyth, weight, even the souray deal. This is how it goes, regardless of who is in charge. I love all you media arm chair gm's. Do you really think, with all your sources and years or management experience, that there could be a better deal? You should really not let your emotions get you, and write something positive for once. I use to like your articles, but for the last year you've been a Debbie downer. It's just a game, not your life . You coming off of this article like this is the worst thing to ever happen to you. Once again it's just a game, chill out. Two words to hopefully cheer you up from this devastating ordeal..... Conner mcdavid 😉
- JexBurton

If your blogger had written a positive blog about this trade he'd have been laughed off the site.
Thunder_daddy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Van isle ferda, BC
Joined: 09.06.2015

Jun 30 @ 9:16 AM ET
I didnt like the trade at first for obvious reasons but the more i think about it the more im "okay" with it. Larsson is by no means a bad defenceman, he is only going to get better, he has a good contract and he immediatly improves the oilers defence. That was the job that had to get done and it got done. Moving hall to get it done wasn't ideal but the rest of the forwards will also only get better and replace halls production.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jun 30 @ 9:20 AM ET
If your blogger had written a positive blog about this trade he'd have been laughed off the site.
- Isles_since_6

The only way there is any positive in it is if we do indeed sign Lucic. It's still a poopty deal when I'm sure if Hall was shopped their was much much better to be gotten. It was poopty yesterday and is still poopty today. I don't like it one bit.
devils_mike
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 09.30.2009

Jun 30 @ 9:21 AM ET
Top pairing? Yeah, on a terrible Devils team he was their best right-handed option. He has that distinction on the Oilers too, but then again Fayne was Edmonton’s best right-handed defenseman until this afternoon so it’s not exactly climbing Mount Everest. Over the last two years he’s been playing mostly with Andy Greene on the top pairing. Greene has made a lot of players look good, including Mark Fayne who the Oilers are trying to figure out what to do with at this very moment.


Nice article. This paragraph is pretty spot on. Andy Greene makes every D partner look better, and Larsson, while I really like him, is exactly what you said: He was a top pair man on the Devils, but on a really deep D team, he's probably more realistically like a #3 guy.

Larsson is a really, really nice player. And Devils fans certainly wanted to keep him. So, I do hope that is some consolation to angry Edm fans. Larsson is a team guy, a professional, and he's likely to get even better in a system that will use him on the PP and let him activate a bit more.

But, I definitely get Edm fans' frustration. I think had we thrown in a some sort of draft pick, it would take a lot of sting out of this trade. However, I think if you guys do, indeed, become a better team, that will take a lot of sting out too. Unfortunately, that's just gonna take some time to see and feel.



rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:22 AM ET
Is this a joke? Other GMs would have likely offered much better defensemen plus picks for Hall... Chiarelli just jumped the gun on the first deal he saw, most likely, since it was an underrated RHD; doesn't mean the trade was remotely equal. There's a reason almost every person on here said "sure that can't be it, there must be a 1st rounder and prospects thrown in too"
- Conquest

Chiarelli has probably been trying to trade one of the wonder kids for a defenseman since the day he became GM. To think Chiarelli "jumped the gun" is naive.

This is the best available deal for any of the players. Yakupov is a bust. RNH is not worth a top pairing defenseman. And nobody wants Eberle when Hall is available.

A players value is what another GM is willing to pay. This is, after a year of trying to make a trade, the best available offer for Chiarelli.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jun 30 @ 9:24 AM ET
Taylor Hall >>>> Ryan Johansen

Seth Jones >>>> Adam Larsson


Chia went full MacTard and you never go full MacTard

- prismo

As stated in anothe blogg , i am perfectly confortable with how Jones has played , keep in mind he's only 22.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
It's like you didn't backread. We've been over this countless times and I'm not about to type it out in full detail again.

Put simply, this was the cost of doing business. Actual #1 Dmen aren't traded, Chiarelli was negotiating with some desperation, and he believes Larsson's potential is far from reached. Beyond that, other teams have been low-balling Oiler GMs for about 3 years now knowing they're bound to cave eventually. This is merely culmination of that.

Not making a move and being paralyzed into only adding Demers this offseason would've equated to a failure and status quo (which HAS to be unacceptable). You're welcome to disagree with the trade (we've all expressed our discontent with the loss in value), but don't speak as if we don't know all this already. We're finding the positives in a less than ideal situation; it's normal.

- MaximumBone


Yup....and Gudbranson hadn't reached his potential either...lol..
They both are what they are, Larson is better but he is not wort hall.

It's funny how good the kool-aid tastes.... kinda salty right now though isn't it?

This trade sets the oil back. You should have offered RNH for Gudbranson, or maybe it was offered, all I know is that the rumour of yak being worth a third must be wrong, after this chia would be lucky to get a5th for him.
Conquest
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
Chiarelli has probably been trying to trade one of the wonder kids for a defenseman since the day he became GM. To think Chiarelli "jumped the gun" is naive.

This is the best available deal for any of the players. Yakupov is a bust. RNH is not worth a top pairing defenseman. And nobody wants Eberle when Hall is available.

A players value is what another GM is willing to pay. This is, after a year of trying to make a trade, the best available offer for Chiarelli.

- rangerdanger94


Absolutely not. If Chiarelli had just simply made Hall available from the get-go, he would've gotten a better haul. Instead he pissed around with the bit players and didn't focus on maximizing his return on his 2nd best player. Once other teams didn't go his way, I guarantee you he started to feel the pressure to jump the gun. Again I disagree, but will defend to the death the right to your opinion
devils_mike
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 09.30.2009

Jun 30 @ 9:30 AM ET
Chiarelli has probably been trying to trade one of the wonder kids for a defenseman since the day he became GM. To think Chiarelli "jumped the gun" is naive.

This is the best available deal for any of the players. Yakupov is a bust. RNH is not worth a top pairing defenseman. And nobody wants Eberle when Hall is available.

A players value is what another GM is willing to pay. This is, after a year of trying to make a trade, the best available offer for Chiarelli.

- rangerdanger94


You're 100% right. It doesn't make the trade good, but it's certainly not as bad as I think some make it out to be, either.

Larsson needs confidence. DeBoer ruined his, and it took a while to get some of it back. If Larsson starts feeling a bit of swagger, he could really jump to the next level.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:30 AM ET
Absolutely not. If Chiarelli had just simply made Hall available from the get-go, he would've gotten a better haul. Instead he pissed around with the bit players and didn't focus on maximizing his return on his 2nd best player. Once other teams didn't go his way, I guarantee you he started to feel the pressure to jump the gun. Again I disagree, but will defend to the death the right to your opinion
- Conquest

At the end of the day, neither one of us know exactly what transpired. I just don't see how a GM would jump the gun in a situation like this. It's human nature to want to win these trades by a landslide. Chiarelli knows how valuable Hall is on paper and definitely would've called every GM in the league and asked for their best offer. I think.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 30 @ 9:31 AM ET
I'm afraid to say Schultz might even be better than Larsson. Chiarelli screwed you guys. So sorry. Edmonton is my 2nd team

You could've had Määttä + for Taylor Hall from us, no doubt. Määttä is better than Larsson.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:31 AM ET
I'm afraid to say Schultz might even be better than Larsson. Chiarelli screwed you guys. So sorry. Edmonton is my 2nd team

You could've had Määttä + for Taylor Hall from us, no doubt. Määttä is better than Larsson.

- Barnaby36

Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 30 @ 9:32 AM ET
If I'm understanding you, I think you think it's better than not doing the trade. It's not good but it's a need for the organisation to move forward - if that's correct, I agree with you 100%.

It hasn't worked till now, & if nothing happens what can possibly happen?

I think you guys need time to make other moves, fill the cap space this opens up & see how your changed team goes before calling the padded cell ward for your GM.

Like the old saying goes, 1 step back to go 2 forward!

- Aussiepenguin

Yeah,

The retard masses are assuming nuge or ebs gets it done instead?
Wtf gives them that impression ?

I'm Assuming this train of thought makes for s better troll of course, but logically speaking, it's far from a fact. This being the best deal out there after a couple years of holding our cards and looking is much more plausible

Hate that it had to be hall, but we need a rh minute eater with a high ceiling. Moving the puck into transition is our biggest need. By far.
If we've also signed lucic and demers, the oilers are a better team.

Even if they don't and larsson is what pc hopes, we're a better team.

Also, people love name power and the guys the media pumps for them. so I can see why a defensive minded minute eater who plays a less than sexy style on a low end, defensive team like New Jersey, is being dismissed as a quality player.
But big minutes on a top pairing against tough competition. And can move the puck.
And only 23.
Face value, it's not my fav, but I'm coming around abit


http://www.allaboutthejer.../new-top-dog-adam-larsson
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 30 @ 9:33 AM ET
I'm afraid to say Schultz might even be better than Larsson. Chiarelli screwed you guys. So sorry. Edmonton is my 2nd team

You could've had Määttä + for Taylor Hall from us, no doubt. Määttä is better than Larsson.

- Barnaby36

Jesus


The window lickers are out in full force
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 30 @ 9:34 AM ET
Jesus


The window lickers are out in full force

- Ihateallofu

Don't get me wrong, I like the Oilers and Larsson is nothing special. Hall has a lot more value.

You don't believe Määttä is better than Larsson? Larsson is similar to Dumoulin which is good.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 30 @ 9:34 AM ET
You're reaching trying to justify this deal. This is your comment from a little over a week ago
- Isles_since_6


nicely done
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:35 AM ET
Too bad for oilers fans, except those who were trolling Nux fans about Jim Benning...
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:36 AM ET
Don't get me wrong, I like the Oilers and Larsson is nothing special. Hall has a lot more value.

You don't believe Määttä is better than Larsson? Larsson is similar to Dumoulin which is good.

- Barnaby36

Maatta was a healthy scratch in 3 of the games in the SCF

Larsson is closer to McDonagh or Stralman than Dumoulin.
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