Sorry man ur wrong ...that's cap circumvention its cap hit based on years remaining=percentage on cap hit
- arnpriorguy

The weber deal was designed to be bought out, he knows this, his agent knows it and the owner and GM who signed it also knew it... only difference now is that Montreal will be doing it instead of Nashville

[quote=arnpriorguy]Sorry man ur wrong ...that's cap circumvention its cap hit based on years remaining=percentage on cap hit
- arnpriorguy[/quote
If u pay a player 49 mil over 7 yrs but u pay him 42 of that in the first 5 yrs the team itself is only paying 7 mil for 2 more yrs but the cap hit never changes

Never said the cap hit changes but the CBA says a buyout involving a player over 26 is based on the amount left owing and not the cap hit

The buyout total for a player over 26 is based on the amount of money owed to him on his deal... not the cap hit
- obie

Don't know where ur getting ur info from but it's like 5 yrs old that's the old CBA can't do that anymore

Don't know where ur getting ur info from but it's like 5 yrs old that's the old CBA can't do that anymore
- arnpriorguy

Theres a buyout calculator online... you should check it, pretty handy! If they bought him out today it would cost them 1,56 million a year for 20 years and that amount is so low because the last 5 are at 1 million

Never said the cap hit changes but the CBA says a buyout involving a player over 26 is based on the amount left owing and not the cap hit
- obie

Sigh I give up...clearly u don't want to listen I know I am correct cash has nothing to do with the buyout...u can't manipulate the cap hit in a buyout that whatever amount of yrs are left works out the percentage...it's why they went on strike last time so the player gets property compensated for a buyout

Sigh I give up...clearly u don't want to listen I know I am correct cash has nothing to do with the buyout...u can't manipulate the cap hit in a buyout that whatever amount of yrs are left works out the percentage...it's why they went on strike last time so the player gets property compensated for a buyout
- arnpriorguy

Lmao first of all the players have never went on strike, they were locked out, there is a difference... and you might as well give up cause you are wrong

They won't buy him out, his contract will be worth gold when his salary drops to 3-1-1-1 mil and his cap hit is 7.8 mil. We've seen poor teams do that the past few years hoping to reach the cap floor, it will still be the case in a few years. Perhaps even more since TV rights will be negotiated in 2yrs and the NHL will make a killing on it. Expect the cap to rise even more.

They won't buy him out, his contract will be worth gold when his salary drops to 3-1-1-1 mil and his cap hit is 7.8 mil.
- J-P

That's another possibility...the fact remains that the Habs are no more handcuffed with Webers contract than subbans

That's another possibility...the fact remains that the Habs are no more handcuffed with Webers contract than subbans
- obie

Really a non issue, heck even Phaneuf's albatross of a contract got traded.

Lmao first of all the players have never went on strike, they were locked out, there is a difference... and you might as well give up cause you are wrong
- obie

Lmao no the players have to vote on it takes two tango there chief anyways not only was I a volunteer on cap geek for yrs before it closed down I've also been a hockey for 34 yrs I kinda know my stuff have fun

Lmao no the players have to vote on it takes two tango there chief anyways not only was I a volunteer on cap geek for yrs before it closed down I've also been a hockey for 34 yrs I kinda know my stuff have fun
- arnpriorguy

When you are locked out you don't get to vote... NHLPA has never voted in favor of a strike... so much for knowing your stuff, maybe in another 34 years you'll get it

When you are locked out you don't get to vote... NHLPA has never voted in favor of a strike... so much for knowing your stuff, maybe in another 34 years you'll get it
- obie

Actually they did there chief after the first offer the owners locked them out but thanks for info lmao

34 years you'll get it
- obie

I'm also 34 btw, I used to think ppl in their 30's were old. Now it's ppl in their 50's.

Actually they did there chief after the first offer the owners locked them out but thanks for info lmao
- arnpriorguy

Yea the owners locked them out... the NHL has been through 3 lockouts and 0 strikes.... I figured you would of known that...chief!

I'm also 34 btw, I used to think ppl in their 30's were old. Now it's ppl in their 50's.
- J-P

I'm 37 today

When you are locked out you don't get to vote... NHLPA has never voted in favor of a strike... so much for knowing your stuff, maybe in another 34 years you'll get it
- obie

Anyway enjoy ur fictional knowledge of hockey I'll pretend you know what your talking about to make you feel better

Anyway enjoy ur fictional knowledge of hockey I'll pretend you know what your talking about to make you feel better
- arnpriorguy

Ok chief!

Yea the owners locked them out... the NHL has been through 3 lockouts and 0 strikes.... I figured you would of known that...chief!
- obie

Wow so knowledgeable never knew if wasn't illegal in North America to not table an offer to a union of any kind before striking

Wow so knowledgeable never knew if wasn't illegal in North America to not table an offer to a union of any kind before striking
- arnpriorguy

I can't even make sense of what you're typing now...might be past your bedtime

I can't even make sense of what you're typing now...might be past your bedtime
- obie

I'll use easier words....u can't put a union in the USA or Canada on strike without a formal offer to that union kinda illegal so yes the players voted to go on strike before the owners locked them out

I'll use easier words....u can't put a union in the USA or Canada on strike without a formal offer to that union kinda illegal so yes the players voted to go on strike before the owners locked them out
- arnpriorguy

No they didn't... if the players went on strike they're would of been no need to lock them out.... it's the old you can fire me cause I quit argument

No they didn't... if the players went on strike they're would of been no need to lock them out.... it's the old you can fire me cause I quit argument
- obie

So...why is Canada post allowed to choose to strike they r a union...it's the law chief they have to receive an offer...if they don't a court can force them back to work get it now sports unions operate the same way

So...why is Canada post allowed to choose to strike they r a union...it's the law chief they have to receive an offer...if they don't a court can force them back to work get it now sports unions operate the same way
- arnpriorguy

Unions can strike of course...but you can't have a strike and a lockout...chief

littles stats for you guys Subban Vs Weber

Subban
434GP 278Points 63G 215P +35
153 Takeaways 490 Giveaways (-337)

Weber
763 GP 443Points 166G 277P +48
308 Takeaways 427 Giveaways (-119)


Weber play more games and have less turnover then Subban... i dont think montreal will be a looser both defensively and offensively ... look at the goals for each player, Weber is a better scorer then subban ...Better leadership, calm person in the room and bring a physical side 6 and 4 over 238 pounds... dont tell me Montreal have made an error with that trade.. only place they loose is for the age (about 3.5 years difference) and probably the speed and skillz that subban was able to produce to skate the puck out of the zone... as a habs fan i can't say that this is a bad trade at all for us... i'm sad to see him leave montreal he was such a great guy for the community and wish him good luck for the future in is ugly yellow jersey lol

Welcome Weber

The PK trade is far less lop sided than the Hall trade which to me is insane

But i do think nashville wins this one, PK is younger and has a better contract, Weber is a lot more defensive than offensive, but just to me this is still a pretty bad trade for the canadians
- digitalbath

Weber had more goals than PK last year and the same amount of points, has produced more points than in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Weber also 1st in the NHL in PP goals amongst defense so saying he can't produce offense is incorrect.