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roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 3:38 PM ET
looks like Hall is going to NJ
- nastyflyergirl

Holmgren too risky. Hextall not risky enough.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:39 PM ET
They traded a bonafide 24 year old 1LW for an OK second pairing 23 year old d man. Larsson still has top prospect shine, but he has not shown anything remotely close to being a top pairing guy.

This is Luke Schenn for JVR, with a better Luke Schenn and a better JVR. Chiarelli just screwed the pooch big time. Edmonton blew a serious forward asset. Maybe their best.

- Mononoke


i think there has to be more involved in this deal, no?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 3:40 PM ET
Holmgren too risky. Hextall not risky enough.
- roenick97

would they have taken provorov or ghost for hall?

that sounds just crazy to me
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 3:40 PM ET
adam larson for taylor hall

whaaaat!

- Marc D



I can't believe NJ got him for Lasson straight up. sheesh
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 3:40 PM ET
i think there has to be more involved in this deal, no?
- YuenglingJagr

1 for 1 per Bob Mckenzie
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 3:41 PM ET
I can't believe NJ got him for Lasson straight up. sheesh
- nastyflyergirl

ikr

should have gotten cory schneider plus the d man
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:41 PM ET
They traded a bonafide 24 year old 1LW for an OK second pairing 23 year old d man. Larsson still has top prospect shine, but he has not shown anything remotely close to being a top pairing guy.

This is Luke Schenn for JVR, with a better Luke Schenn and a better JVR. Chiarelli just screwed the pooch big time. Edmonton blew a serious forward asset. Maybe their best.

- Mononoke


So much right in this post

Because I watch a ton of late-night, West Coast hockey, I have seen a ton of Edmonton games

Hall is easily one of the best forwards in the league. It's not even a question. The only LWs better in the game are Benn and Ovechkin, and he is almost in that same breath. Not quite, but close

Oh, Edmonton. Oh, Edmonton. All those guys they could've traded, and they chose the one guy you need to keep out of that tire fire
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 3:41 PM ET
would they have taken provorov or ghost for hall?

that sounds just crazy to me

- Marc D

I've mentioned many times that it would be a mistake to trade Brayden Schenn but Taylor Hall is the exception. Schenn doesn't have a deal right now and still a capable player.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:41 PM ET
yikes

adam larsson is a good young D but this is a poor trade

- Marc D


Ok who does NJ have left on D??? They may just be in the market for a Mark Streit

stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 29 @ 3:43 PM ET
ikr

should have gotten cory schneider plus the d man

- Marc D


such a joke i can barely even process this.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:44 PM ET
I am shocked
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 29 @ 3:44 PM ET
So much right in this post

Because I watch a ton of late-night, West Coast hockey, I have seen a ton of Edmonton games

Hall is easily one of the best forwards in the league. It's not even a question. The only LWs better in the game are Benn and Ovechkin, and he is almost in that same breath. Not quite, but close

Oh, Edmonton. Oh, Edmonton. All those guys they could've traded, and they chose the one guy you need to keep out of that tire fire

- AllInForFlyers


exactly. hall was the keeper. you move RNH and Eberle. id say even if it was for a lesser return, but its not as if they got a massive haul back. larsson is a good young D with some upside, but jesus the (frank) christ.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 3:44 PM ET
Ok who does NJ have left on D??? They may just be in the market for a Mark Streit
- 3flyerkids

i like you

finding something good in this

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:46 PM ET
Edmonton could've asked for Larsson + 11th + another pick/prospect, and I'd still say it was an ok at best deal for Edmonton.

They need a top pairing guy and traded one of the most valuable young wingers in the league for a #4 d man. Straight. Up. You'd think someone like Shattenkirk or Trouba or someone of that caliber would be a fairer value trade and what they'd be after. 1 FOR 1!!!!
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 29 @ 3:46 PM ET
exactly. hall was the keeper. you move RNH and Eberle. id say even if it was for a lesser return, but its not as if they got a massive haul back. larsson is a good young D with some upside, but jesus the (frank) christ.
- stayinthefnnet

they had potentially the 2 best lines in hockey with McD on one and Hall on the other

unstoppable speed and skill, you can build a franchise around those two guys

unbelievable (frank) up
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 29 @ 3:46 PM ET
(frank) you, Edmonton.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:48 PM ET
exactly. hall was the keeper. you move RNH and Eberle. id say even if it was for a lesser return, but its not as if they got a massive haul back. larsson is a good young D with some upside, but jesus the (frank) christ.
- stayinthefnnet


It's a bad one. It's just bad. That's just a bad trade

It's just bad. It's the kind of trade that makes people on computers positive they can be GMs
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 29 @ 3:48 PM ET
they had potentially the 2 best lines in hockey with McD on one and Hall on the other

unstoppable speed and skill, you can build a franchise around those two guys

unbelievable (frank) up

- Marc D


they did need to make moves. but there was 0 reason it should have been hall. his contract is pretty damn decent too. there is just no way to spin this in a positive light for edmonton. is egregiously bad.

stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 29 @ 3:49 PM ET
It's a bad one. It's just bad. That's just a bad trade

It's just bad. It's the kind of trade that makes people on computers positive they can be GMs

- AllInForFlyers


so to be clear, we're in agreement this is a bad trade?
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 3:50 PM ET
they had potentially the 2 best lines in hockey with McD on one and Hall on the other

unstoppable speed and skill, you can build a franchise around those two guys

unbelievable (frank) up

- Marc D


McDavid-Puljujarvi
Draisaitl-Hall

That's something to build around. Even if you trade Hall, they just made a 1 for 1 for a #4 d man....not the next Seth Jones.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:50 PM ET
For sure a bad one, and this may be premature, but let's steal Hall from Devils when he's a free agent after 19-20 season.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:51 PM ET
so to be clear, we're in agreement this is a bad trade?
- stayinthefnnet


Ha! Yeah. I think that's where I am on it LOL
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 29 @ 3:51 PM ET
i like you

finding something good in this


- Marc D


Hell we can even throw in Read for someone for Hall to play with
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 29 @ 3:52 PM ET
McDavid-Puljujarvi
Draisaitl-Hall

That's something to build around. Even if you trade Hall, they just made a 1 for 1 for a #4 d man....not the next Seth Jones.

- Mononoke


exactly. i dont think he should have ever been the one to go, but if he is, you need to nail it with the return. larsson is not that. i think larsson for RNH would have been a deal with some inherent pros and cons baked in for both sides.

larsson has shown flashes that he can grow into a pretty good guy. but theres nothing that screams first pairing stud about him at this point in time, and he has had a few years.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 3:52 PM ET
Ok who does NJ have left on D??? They may just be in the market for a Mark Streit
- 3flyerkids


Why break a 30 year streak?
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