Hmm, AMac for Draisatl sounds about right.
- BiggE

Throw in Streit as well

And Canadian teams wonder why they dont make the playoffs... both the Oilers and Canadians with bad moves.

Jim Benning went to sleep Tuesday night as the worst GM of Canadian teams.

He woke up this morning the 3rd worst by simply not doing anything.

Callahan is immovable. Filppula is the more likely, and they'd have to give up something good to move him. Both contracts are ugly. One just happens to have only 2 years left. They also both possess NMCs, so the team taking them on has to be OK with that. It's a mess. They were iffy contracts right from the start. It's why you don't go crazy with contracts to these types of players. Bishop needs to be moved too, but as a goalie, that's a separate issue.
- Mononoke

We thought Lecavalier was unmovable also. More and more, it's proven that anything can happen in the NHL.

No, because of the age -- Ghost is too young and (likely) prolific.

That's not overvaluing Ghost; it's a cap world. Hall at $6 million is a luxury. Ghost on an ELC is damn near a necessity when you consider his likely production
- AllInForFlyers

Gostisbehere is 23 and on the last year of his EL deal. Hall is 24, and is a legitimate first line forward, with 4 more years left on his deal at a comfortable 6M cap hit for the player he is. A player like Hall is not a luxury. I think you can make an argument of the importance of defense, and how hard it is to get. In another year, or very shortly, we'll find out what Gostisbehere is going to be making in his next deal

Gostisbehere is 23 and on the last year of his EL deal. Hall is 24, and is a legitimate first line forward, with 4 more years left on his deal at a comfortable 6M cap hit for the player he is. A player like Hall is not a luxury. I think you can make an argument of the importance of defense, and how hard it is to get. In another year, or very shortly, we'll find out what Gostisbehere is going to be making in his next deal
- MJL

I agree that the age difference is small and that Hall is not a "luxury." That said, Ghost brings a dimension that I don't think I've ever seen from a Flyers defenseman, and that includes Desjardins, Timonen, and Pronger. I'm not saying that I would never trade Ghost, but I really can't think of any player except maybe Karlsson who he reminds me of, and his neutral zone attacking style of defense is something I don't think anyone else in the NHL brings.

I agree that the age difference is small and that Hall is not a "luxury." That said, Ghost brings a dimension that I don't think I've ever seen from a Flyers defenseman, and that includes Desjardins, Timonen, and Pronger. I'm not saying that I would never trade Ghost, but I really can't think of any player except maybe Karlsson who he reminds me of, and his neutral zone attacking style of defense is something I don't think anyone else in the NHL brings.
- jmatchett383

The Flyers are not a team that is in a position to trade a quality defenseman. I think you'll agree with that. That's the reason why I would hesitate to make that deal. Nothing to do with age, the contract, or cap hits. None of that is an issue.

Gostisbehere is 23 and on the last year of his EL deal. Hall is 24, and is a legitimate first line forward, with 4 more years left on his deal at a comfortable 6M cap hit for the player he is. A player like Hall is not a luxury. I think you can make an argument of the importance of defense, and how hard it is to get. In another year, or very shortly, we'll find out what Gostisbehere is going to be making in his next deal
- MJL

Oh, for...for the FLYERS, Hall is a luxury -- Dear Lord, does every single thing have to be spelled out for you, because you can't wait to nitpick and be "more right?"

I said because of Ghost's age, not because "he's so much younger than Hall." The point is that he's too young to be traded for the value he brings to the FLYERS, because they don't have anyone else remotely like him.

Hall, they can survive without -- they made the playoffs without him. That is the definition of a luxury -- they don't NEED him to succeed.

They need Ghost, or someone very much like him, to succeed. There's nothing in what I said that needed to be disputed. Or for you to act like you're "more right."

Oh, for...for the FLYERS, Hall is a luxury -- Dear Lord, does every single thing have to be spelled out for you, because you can't wait to nitpick and be "more right?"

I said because of Ghost's age, not because "he's so much younger than Hall." The point is that he's too young to be traded for the value he brings to the FLYERS, because they don't have anyone else remotely like him.

Hall, they can survive without -- they made the playoffs without him. That is the definition of a luxury -- they don't NEED him to succeed.

They need Ghost, or someone very much like him, to succeed. There's nothing in what I said that needed to be disputed. Or for you to act like you're "more right."
- AllInForFlyers

I disagree, a player of Hall's caliber is not a luxury. It may not be their greatest need, but calling it a luxury is senseless. Was Phil Kessel a luxury for the Pens. Adding a player like Hall, could do one of two things. He could be paired with Giroux, which would form a lethal first line, or he could play on the wing on the 2nd line, which would be adding a potential 80 point scoring threat, to that line. It's interesting that Hextall has repeatedly stated that the Flyers need to add more scoring and skill on the team.
If you read my follow up posts, I state that the Flyers aren't in a position to trade a quality defenseman at this point, for obvious reasons. That would be why I would hesitate to make a Gostisbehere for Hall deal. None of the rest of it, including age, cap hit, salary, is a factor. Neither is considering Hall a luxury. Players of that caliber, are not a luxury.

The Flyers aren't looking to just survive, or to just make the playoffs.

I disagree, a player of Hall's caliber is not a luxury. It may not be their greatest need, but calling it a luxury is senseless. Was Phil Kessel a luxury for the Pens. Adding a player like Hall, could do one of two things. He could be paired with Giroux, which would form a lethal first line, or he could play on the wing on the 2nd line, which would be adding a potential 80 point scoring threat, to that line. It's interesting that Hextall has repeatedly stated that the Flyers need to add more scoring and skill on the team.
If you read my follow up posts, I state that the Flyers aren't in a position to trade a quality defenseman at this point, for obvious reasons. That would be why I would hesitate to make a Gostisbehere for Hall deal. None of the rest of it, including age, cap hit, salary, is a factor. Neither is considering Hall a luxury. Players of that caliber, are not a luxury.

The Flyers aren't looking to just survive, or to just make the playoffs.
- MJL

Such a nitpicker. You are a sad, sad individual.

Tell me more about how playing Hall with Giroux would be a good thing. I would never have guessed that.

What the Pens gave up for Kessel is nothing reflective of a Ghost for Hall swap. Trying to compare other deals...man. Learn the definition of "conflation."

Your follow-up posts don't change the fact that you nitpick needlessly. You can agree or disagree or whatever. But pretending like your "reasons" are "more right" -- you stay you, Big Boy: A sad, sad individual.

Such a nitpicker. You are a sad, sad individual.

Tell me more about how playing Hall with Giroux would be a good thing. I would never have guessed that.

What the Pens gave up for Kessel is nothing reflective of a Ghost for Hall swap. Trying to compare other deals...man. Learn the definition of "conflation."

Your follow-up posts don't change the fact that you nitpick needlessly. You can agree or disagree or whatever. But pretending like your "reasons" are "more right" -- you stay you, Big Boy: A sad, sad individual.
- AllInForFlyers

Kasperi Kapanen, is a 19 year old prospect included in the deal, who has played all of 9 games in the NHL. That's comparing a 19 year old prospect, to Gostisbehere, who is an older and more established player. Kasperi could develop into a very, very good player. Regardless, the cost for Hall should be more expensive. Hall is 24, compared to Kessel at 28. It's not about nitpicking, it's about key details. The top relevant point I made, was referencing Hextall's statements about needing to add more skill and scoring, yet Hall is labeled a luxury. That's the issue I have with what you said, and not with stating that you wouldn't trade Gostisbehere for Hall.

Kasperi Kapanen, is a 19 year old prospect included in the deal, who has played all of 9 games in the NHL. That's comparing a 19 year old prospect, to Gostisbehere, who is an older and more established player. Kasperi could develop into a very, very good player. Regardless, the cost for Hall should be more expensive. Hall is 24, compared to Kessel at 28. It's not about nitpicking, it's about key details. The top relevant point I made, was referencing Hextall's statements about needing to add more skill and scoring, yet Hall is labeled a luxury. That's the issue I have with what you said, and not with stating that you wouldn't trade Gostisbehere for Hall.
- MJL

you suck