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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 8:38 PM ET
Factor in the state taxes and the difference is a little more palatable. Its a 10 million contract in PA.
- MBFlyerfan

So all we have to do is move the team, right?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 29 @ 8:39 PM ET
If Stamkos dies, or his career ends due to not receiving medical clearance, the Bolts are on the hook for the full contract?
- PLindbergh31



Hopefully someone can answer that, because I have no clue. I just watch games with my eyeballs. I'm not one of those #fancystat, CBA memorizing types.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 29 @ 8:40 PM ET
So all we have to do is move the team, right?
- hereticpride



Move the team to Delaware.. home of tax free shopping. (insert smirk here)
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 8:41 PM ET
So all we have to do is move the team, right?
- hereticpride



Well, over the last 4 seasons Voracek does have more points than Stamkos. SO there is that narrative busting stat.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 8:57 PM ET
Well, over the last 4 seasons Voracek does have more points than Stamkos. SO there is that narrative busting stat.
- MBFlyerfan


Ty

I don't know if that includes the injury season, but since his injury, they've scored at basically the same amount. Voracek is also a better all around player. Stamkos is a better scorer. They're really pretty equal players at the present point of time.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:04 PM ET
Ty

I don't know if that includes the injury season, but since his injury, they've scored at basically the same amount. Voracek is also a better all around player. Stamkos is a better scorer. They're really pretty equal players at the present point of time.

- Mononoke


They're no Adam larsson though
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 29 @ 9:05 PM ET
What's the reported price?
- FlyerGuy

6years at 6million a season.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 29 @ 9:06 PM ET
I'm blown away by these deals today.

I saw eks blog and I read it and I couldn't believe it. I thought it was a joke. Only after I looked around and saw other blogs pop up did I realize it was true.

I actually think the Habs are the biggest goat. At least Edmonton has potential on its side.

The Habs traded a perennial Norris candidate for the next 5 years for a declining player who has legitimately lost a step. Still a damn good player. But there is no chance that this player is not a declining commodity.

Just insane
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:07 PM ET
I want to see Schenn for Shattenkirk and move Konecny into a top 6 spot and see if he can hang
- black_francis


After today that would be a fair trade
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 9:08 PM ET
So Stamkos has basically the same cap hit as Voracek? Splendid
- PLindbergh31

Stamkos in my mind is far and away more worthy of it.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 9:13 PM ET
Stamkos in my mind is far and away more worthy of it.
- roenick97


Got all those cups and poop
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 9:14 PM ET
I'm blown away by these deals today.

I saw eks blog and I read it and I couldn't believe it. I thought it was a joke. Only after I looked around and saw other blogs pop up did I realize it was true.

I actually think the Habs are the biggest goat. At least Edmonton has potential on its side.

The Habs traded a perennial Norris candidate for the next 5 years for a declining player who has legitimately lost a step. Still a damn good player. But there is no chance that this player is not a declining commodity.

Just insane

- Just5


The problem with that deal in my mind is, neither player is putting their new team over the top anymore than they were about to put their last team over the top.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 9:17 PM ET
Got all those cups and poop
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't even know what this is suppose to mean.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 29 @ 9:20 PM ET
The problem with that deal in my mind is, neither player is putting their new team over the top anymore than they were about to put their last team over the top.
- roenick97

If it's possible I actually think both teams are worse off on the ice. Salary cap wise the Preds clearly came out on top.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
If it's possible I actually think both teams are worse off on the ice. Salary cap wise the Preds clearly came out on top.
- hereticpride

I don't think Subban will stay loyal to them. His personality is too big. Too much ego.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 29 @ 9:23 PM ET
Ty

I don't know if that includes the injury season, but since his injury, they've scored at basically the same amount. Voracek is also a better all around player. Stamkos is a better scorer. They're really pretty equal players at the present point of time.

- Mononoke


Agreed. Since the lockout Voracek has 244 points to Stamkos' 233

Its not an incredible difference by any stretch and Granted Voracek has played more games (there is something to be said for being healthy).

But to suggest that Stamkos is somehow way better than Voracek and try to paint Voraceks contract as a bad contract, which is what was being done IMO, just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 9:24 PM ET
I don't think Subban will stay loyal to them. His personality is too big. Too much ego.
- roenick97


Why do you think that?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 9:24 PM ET
It's time to offer sheet Kucherov
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:24 PM ET
I don't think Subban will stay loyal to them. His personality is too big. Too much ego.
- roenick97


My thoughts exactly.

BOOOOOOOOOOO

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:25 PM ET
It's time to offer sheet Kucherov
- PhillySportsGuy


Oh. Oh. Nice.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 9:27 PM ET
Oh. Oh. Nice.
- Mononoke


Time to make it happen. Then Trayden Schenn for a first rounder and we're all square!
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 29 @ 9:28 PM ET
Why do you think that?
- PhillySportsGuy

Playing in a Canadian market on a big stage like Montreal, I feel like he thrived on this. I could be wrong.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 29 @ 9:30 PM ET
Playing in a Canadian market on a big stage like Montreal, I feel like he thrived on this. I could be wrong.
- roenick97


I think he'll be happy to be away from an organization that treated him like poop
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:32 PM ET
Time to make it happen. Then Trayden Schenn for a first rounder and we're all square!
- PhillySportsGuy


The time to Trayden Schenn for a 1st rounder was last Friday.

Maybe we could just Trayden Schenn for Kucherov and make it easy on ourselves.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 9:35 PM ET
I think he'll be happy to be away from an organization that treated him like poop
- PhillySportsGuy


Seriously, I hope that team goes to the poopter. I hope Subban demolishes Weber's stats year after year. PK was a fun guy, great teammate, generous, and one of the best, most talented players in the world. And all they could do was come up with new ways to slight him. He will be appreciated and thrive in Nashville.
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