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Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jun 29 @ 5:10 PM ET
Or rather they would accept to take Amac and Gudas just to get Ghost
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:10 PM ET
Well, it's kind of the only good paert.

A division rival just got a top-line winger for a 2nd pair defender.

Norse God Shea Weber now has to play for a bunch of entitled French bumholes.

Not really much on the upside.

- jmatchett383

#StayClassy
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 29 @ 5:10 PM ET
Edmonton icontinues to embarrass themselves.

Much like the flYERS RIGHT PLIND?! AM I RIGHT?!!

LEFT HANDED LARSSONY ON WEBER'S SUBBAN DANCING SKHALL
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 5:11 PM ET
Gotta love Garth

I need some time to process the Subban-Weber trade. I'd say that Montreal gets the better of this deal because Weber is the better pure defender.

I know he likes his hits, but...come on.

- jmatchett383


That is some serious rationalizing/spinning right there
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jun 29 @ 5:12 PM ET
I just saw the news. WTF!

I'm trying to figure out which is the most absurd. I'm honestly not sure.

What I will add is that if Larsson, a guy who only this season played a full season without being put into the AHL (albiet a very good season and has a good pedigree), can get you Hall, then thank sweet baby Jesus that Hexy has been stock piling D prospects!

- coffee junkie


I thought the same exact thing. In this case, the Oilers were willing to pay a ransom for 2nd pairing defender. Even if he becomes a top pairing defender, I don't think he'll ever rate as high as Hall.

At the end of the day, we have a bunch of top end talent defense. No need to trade a Morin or Sanheim for Yakupov. NJD hardly dealt from a position of strength; whereas the Flyers absolutely can.

I think this helps our return if we look to move a young D, especially if it's done in the near future. And the Stamkos signing has to help the Schenn negotiations a tad. And we get to see Weber on a more frequent basis. I'm pretty happy about today.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 5:13 PM ET
The best part is the front office staff in Montreal and Edmonton are probably having a circle jerk right now about how fantastic they made out
- Mononoke


Until they leave their offices and meet the pitchforks and torches
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 29 @ 5:14 PM ET
Edmonton icontinues to embarrass themselves.

Much like the flYERS RIGHT PLIND?! AM I RIGHT?!!

LEFT HANDED LARSSONY ON WEBER'S SUBBAN DANCING SKHALL

- Giroux_Is_God



Edmonton does continue to embarrass ..no question.
I am just looking for Hextall to upgrade the team. I am sure he is capable to pull off a steal.
MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:14 PM ET
Subban for Weber is a little weird for me. Weber is 30 and Subban is 27. All around goofy trade on Montreal's part.

Taylor Hall to NJ for Larsson is comical. Edmonton holds out for years and that's the (frank)ing trade they make?

Mind boggling.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 5:16 PM ET
WHO CAN WE TRADE SCHENN FOR?!
- Mononoke

Tyler Seguin apparently
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:16 PM ET
i mean to each their own...but I get what youre saying
- YuenglingJagr



Don't judge me
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:16 PM ET
Tyler Seguin apparently
- mayorofangrytown


Chiarelli traded both the 1 and 2 picks in that draft
GeorgeBailey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 5:17 PM ET
Chiarelli just ended his chances at an Oscar.


(cause...he, y'know...has gone full tard)

I think there is a scene in Blazing Saddles that may explain the origins of the Montreal trade. The Montreal owner would be played by Mel Brooks, Bergevin by Harvey Korman and Subban by Cleavon Little.



I hope the Montreal fans crucify the management on the trade. Even after you take out the relative lopsidedness of the trade from an "on-ice" standpoint, I just don't see how you can trade one of the top 3 charismatic, personable, marketable players in the entire sport. Nashville will love him.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:18 PM ET
Subban for Weber is a little weird for me. Weber is 30 and Subban is 27. All around goofy trade on Montreal's part.

Taylor Hall to NJ for Larsson is comical. Edmonton holds out for years and that's the (frank)ing trade they make?

Mind boggling.

- MikesPillBottle

This is a great article about the terrible return: http://www.tsn.ca/statist...-enough-for-hall-1.517957

Here is the punchline if you don't want to read it:
Verdict: This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jun 29 @ 5:18 PM ET
Subban for Weber is a little weird for me. Weber is 30 and Subban is 27. All around goofy trade on Montreal's part.

Taylor Hall to NJ for Larsson is comical. Edmonton holds out for years and that's the (frank)ing trade they make?

Mind boggling.

- MikesPillBottle

Yea especially when you see his status among the Hab fans ,they gonna burn the Hab front office if this go sour
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:19 PM ET
Chiarelli traded both the 1 and 2 picks in that draft
- Mononoke

Maybe he just really hated that draft year?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 29 @ 5:19 PM ET
Chiarelli traded both the 1 and 2 picks in that draft
- Mononoke

Can't make this poop up.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:21 PM ET
Listen, I'd enjoy if the flyers were making some big moves, but in all honesty, it's been fairly enjoyable to watch the brutally one sidedness sink in on MTL and EDM fans.
MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:21 PM ET
Again, point taken that taxes in Canada are higher but unless the TSN guy is also his accountant and tax preparer, I'm sure those numbers are wrong.
- Scoob




Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:22 PM ET
Chiarelli just ended his chances at an Oscar.


(cause...he, y'know...has gone full tard)

I think there is a scene in Blazing Saddles that may explain the Montreal trade. The Montreal owner would be plated by Mel Brooks, Bergevin by Harvey Korman and Subban by Cleavon Little. Too lazy to imbed the clip.

- GeorgeBailey


I think the campfire scene is more appropriate to describe those front offices at the time of the trades
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jun 29 @ 5:23 PM ET
Wonder what the odds of Hall getting dealt before Yakupov were? I know Hall had or should have had more trade appeal, but Larson?

Subban / Weber is just a waste of paperwork. Might be the dumbest thing I've seen in the sport for awhile .
MikesPillBottle
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:25 PM ET
This is a great article about the terrible return: http://www.tsn.ca/statist...-enough-for-hall-1.517957

Here is the punchline if you don't want to read it:
Verdict: This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

- coffee junkie


Even if they sign Lucic, which I bet they will, he's not getting any younger at 28 years old. Maybe they do have a handshake deal with Lucic, which the league should investigate and punish Edmonton for.

They should be forced to draft at #30 in the 1st round for the next 20 years.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jun 29 @ 5:27 PM ET
Even if they sign Lucic, which I bet they will, he's not getting any younger at 28 years old. Maybe they do have a handshake deal with Lucic, which the league should investigate and punish Edmonton for.

They should be forced to draft at #30 in the 1st round for the next 20 years.

- MikesPillBottle


Punish for a handshake deal? Meh. Every team does it. No need to get on a high horse.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 5:29 PM ET

- MikesPillBottle


lol
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 29 @ 5:30 PM ET
Punish for a handshake deal? Meh. Every team does it. No need to get on a high horse.
- steelydan


With the new rule that teams are allowed to talk to other teams UFA's earlier before July 1, it's silly not to realize that teams are going to make unofficial offers to players, in that time period.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 29 @ 5:30 PM ET
I'm convinced the league orchestrated that Taylor Hall trade for New Jersey. That's the only rational explanation.

And I guess Michel Therrien got his way with dumping PK.

This will likely be the 2nd time Therrien is on the wrong side of a franchise's history (he was the guy fired for Dan Bylsma when the Pens won in '09).
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