I would pay no more than than DP for him then I agree. A deal that was Fehr+DP-Yak+pick/prospect might make sense. Clears out cap, bumps Rust to the 3/4 line. I think it would free cap to resign Shultz who > DP. Pens still need a LW though.
- sammy87

Fehr+DP= 2.863M
Yakapov=2.5M
Cap savings=363k

How is 363k freeing up enough space to sign Shultz?

did you see the hero chart comparisons for adam larsson vic?
- martox

Nah. I'm assuming it makes Larsson look not great? I guess I've always thought Larsson was better than he actually was because he was surrounded by scrubs in NJ

I'm late to the party here, but holy cow Montreal is dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.... Weber's gonna be a bad contract in two to three years. Subban on that d core? Holy (frank)! Subban, Jossi, Ekholm, Ellis... By far the best D in the league now. I also saw that Weber despite being significantly older has only played 11 more career games than Suban. What in the F was Montreal thinking?

Obviously Shero got rediculous value for Adam Larsson, but am I the only one who thinks this really doesn't help the Devils all that much? Who the (frank) do they have on the back end to lynch pin their offense now? Hall is going to have the exact same problem in Jersey he had in Edmonton now of not having anyone who can get him the puck. Regardless, terrible trade for the Oilers.
- Victoro311

Not saying its a good contract. But you can easily dump Weber on a budget team. He doesn't have a NTC. His salary is high the next two years. After that his salary is well below his cap hit. If he's the least bit servicable just move him to a cap floor team that can pay him pennies but list a 7.8 cap hit.

I see the trade pretty much the same way, NJ got the better player but they may have actually made the team worse by doing so, a lot hinges on Shero does between now and the start of the season, if he finds a way to trade or sign 2 good defenseman then they'll be ok, if they take their roster as is into next season I think they will be worse than they were this year unless Schneider has a Vezina caliber season.
- jaydogg1974

I don't think Shero has any delusions that they'll contend this year. Next year however, I think they can compete. I think we'll see some good players changing hands before this expansion draft that typically would never be moved. A shrewd GM can do very well in that environment.

Issues for other days TBH. I just can't think of any feasible way of acquiring a LW this offseason since JR seems to have no interest in moving Fleury. Our best hope is that Simon or Guentzel who everyone projects as a LW not a C in the NHL just run rough shot through the preseason and take a spot. Only reason we're even talking about Yak is because reports say he's essentially free and has a pretty cheap cap hit in terms of a top 6 winger.

I personally think that we can stand to add a RW as well. Both of Malkin's wingers remain a question and Hornqvist only has two years under contract left and it's not outlandish to think he could be exposed in expansion.
- Victoro311

What's wrong with starting the season with the roster as it was when they hoisted the Cup and addressing issues(if there are any) during the season? There's really no need to have Simon or Guentzel take a spot out of camp, let those guys continue to grow in WBS since neither has much pro experience and see how the roster works out through the 1st few months, if a glaring need arises the hopefully by midseason a player like Simon or Guentzel is ready and if they are you look to upgrade at that point. Crosby, Malkin and HBK should be more than enough to carry them through Oct & Nov and maybe it will be enough to carry them all the way to a repeat as Cup champions, won't know if we don't give it a chance.

What's wrong with starting the season with the roster as it was when they hoisted the Cup and addressing issues(if there are any) during the season? There's really no need to have Simon or Guentzel take a spot out of camp, let those guys continue to grow in WBS since neither has much pro experience and see how the roster works out through the 1st few months, if a glaring need arises the hopefully by midseason a player like Simon or Guentzel is ready and if they are you look to upgrade at that point. Crosby, Malkin and HBK should be more than enough to carry them through Oct & Nov and maybe it will be enough to carry them all the way to a repeat as Cup champions, won't know if we don't give it a chance.
- jaydogg1974

I think we're in fine shape. There are moves that could have been made to make the team better but we're still going to be an elite team even if top 6 LW wasnt addressed. Still it's my opinion there was room to grow this offseason and we stood pretty pat, which like I said is fine. Just not ideal.

Schnieder had a Veznia caliber season this year. He and Corey Crawford were massive snubs.
- Victoro311

Don't disagree. Maybe I should have said he needs to have a 2015 Carey Price or 2016 Braden Holtby season or they will be worse.

So playstation doesn't do a taylor hall trade with New Jersey unless its

schneider + Larrson + 1st.

I don't claim to be a tax expert either, I'm more just going off of what I hear and I know in other professional leagues(especially the NBA) the no income tax in places like FLA and Tex are perceived to have a big impact on players net salaries. I did find this on Michigan's income tax since Detroit was considered a likely destination, I have no clue what it means but maybe someone else can break it down.
- jaydogg1974

There are more things to consider than just taxes when you make a decision on where you would like to perform your life's work. These guys are going to complain about a 5% state tax (just for arguments sake) then go buy or build million dollar home and pay property tax in the wealthiest districts. To me that is just whining. Give me $10M and I will gladly pay taxes on that, and you won't here me complain. I really don't think anyone on here would complain either.

Nah. I'm assuming it makes Larsson look not great? I guess I've always thought Larsson was better than he actually was because he was surrounded by scrubs in NJ
- Victoro311

That's the problem with looking at HERO charts in a vacuum, using just HERO charts Pouliot was an all star last year and probably should have made the Olympic team but when you watch him play it just doesn't match his HERO chart. By no means am I saying Larsson is a stud because he's not but he's a solid young player who still has room to improve his game, much better actual player than his charts make him out to be.

So playstation doesn't do a taylor hall trade with New Jersey unless its

schneider + Larrson + 1st.
- sditulli

Is that even when on Easy mode?

You know what trade would have made a lot more sense

Taylor hall for Seth Jones + lottery protect 1st

Jones atleast is young and talent wise has Norris trophy potential.

I'd take Hall over Johanson all day long. I think its proven by Kane and HBK that you can put together a dominant line with an average center if you have a dominant wing.

So playstation doesn't do a taylor hall trade with New Jersey unless its

schneider + Larrson + 1st.
- sditulli

Switch it up and be Edmonton and do Taylor Hall for Larrson. NJ will accept the trade in an instant

Is that even when on Easy mode?
- Guile

Agreed that isn't fair. Well this offseason. Franchise goalies are only worth a 2nd round pick.

There are more things to consider than just taxes when you make a decision on where you would like to perform your life's work. These guys are going to complain about a 5% state tax (just for arguments sake) then go buy or build million dollar home and pay property tax in the wealthiest districts. To me that is just whining. Give me $10M and I will gladly pay taxes on that, and you won't here me complain. I really don't think anyone on here would complain either.
- Thunderbolt

The argument was about him taking less money to stay in TB as opposed to cashing in elsewhere not what factors go into deciding where to play. My point was that he didn't technically leave a lot of real money on the table to stay in TB because the tax break helps offset what he would have received elsewhere. Basically I'm saying Stamkos didn't take less money to play for TB, has nothing to do with what factored into his decision to stay in TB.

There are more things to consider than just taxes when you make a decision on where you would like to perform your life's work. These guys are going to complain about a 5% state tax (just for arguments sake) then go buy or build million dollar home and pay property tax in the wealthiest districts. To me that is just whining. Give me $10M and I will gladly pay taxes on that, and you won't here me complain. I really don't think anyone on here would complain either.
- Thunderbolt

Your an idiot. Of course you would complain. It sucks writing checks to the government.

The argument was about him taking less money to stay in TB as opposed to cashing in elsewhere not what factors go into deciding where to play. My point was that he didn't technically leave a lot of real money on the table to stay in TB because the tax break helps offset what he would have received elsewhere. Basically I'm saying Stamkos didn't take less money to play for TB, has nothing to do with what factored into his decision to stay in TB.
- jaydogg1974

Unless he was going to NYC or California or maybe Toronto (where I hear taxes are high, but I don't know) he did leave a lot of money on the table.

A typical 3-4% state tax doesn't costs much. He's paying Federal taxes at 43% so the 3-4% state tax would be deductible on his federal returns. So a 4% state rate is really 2.3% higher tax burden.

If he signed for $12 million that would costs him 276k a year in higher taxes. But his salary is 3.5 million less. So ya he left 3.25 million or so per year on table.

I think we're in fine shape. There are moves that could have been made to make the team better but we're still going to be an elite team even if top 6 LW wasnt addressed. Still it's my opinion there was room to grow this offseason and we stood pretty pat, which like I said is fine. Just not ideal.
- Victoro311

Oh I'm not saying they couldn't have upgraded with a few moves, my post was more about your assumption that Simon or Guentzel could step up and earn a spot out of camp. I just don't think that's necessary or wise, if they aren't upgrading from the outside then go with the roster they ran with last year and allow the prospects like Simon & Guentzel to continue to develop in the AHL until they are truly needed. If they can upgrade through a trade or FA signing then by all means upgrade the team but I'm not starting with either Simon or Guentzel at the NHL level next year regardless of how good they look in camp because the returning roster should be more than capable of getting them through the 1st couple months while those 2 gain more pro experience in WBS.

Agreed that isn't fair. Well this offseason. Franchise goalies are only worth a 2nd round pick.
- sditulli

I'm just still in disbelief over the trade

Unless he was going to NYC or California or maybe Toronto (where I hear taxes are high, but I don't know) he did leave a lot of money on the table.

A typical 3-4% state tax doesn't costs much. He's paying Federal taxes at 43% so the 3-4% state tax would be deductible on his federal returns. So a 4% state rate is really 2.3% higher tax burden.

If he signed for $12 million that would costs him 276k a year in higher taxes. But his salary is 3.5 million less. So ya he left 3.25 million or so per year on table.
- sditulli

Meanwhile... PK is getting a nice bit of more money leaving that high Canada taxes

Your an idiot. Of course you would complain. It sucks writing checks to the government.
- sditulli

I like having the US military defend our borders, roads being repaired, the police, fire fighters and other community servants doing their jobs. Do you really think those things happen for nothing. Sure nothing is perfect but that is why we vote and elect people who are supposed to keep these things in line.

Unless he was going to NYC or California or maybe Toronto (where I hear taxes are high, but I don't know) he did leave a lot of money on the table.

A typical 3-4% state tax doesn't costs much. He's paying Federal taxes at 43% so the 3-4% state tax would be deductible on his federal returns. So a 4% state rate is really 2.3% higher tax burden.

If he signed for $12 million that would costs him 276k a year in higher taxes. But his salary is 3.5 million less. So ya he left 3.25 million or so per year on table.
- sditulli

Thanks for clarifying. As I said I'm not tax expert especially when talking about people in the high tax brackets. Considering everything you just explained then why do people(especially ex players) in the NFL & NBA make such a big deal about it? I'm not disputing anything you said at all, I'm just kinda perplexed by the situation because I've heard ex NFL players and many ex NBA players talk about how important the income tax break in those states is.

Thanks for clarifying. As I said I'm not tax expert especially when talking about people in the high tax brackets. Considering everything you just explained then why do people(especially ex players) in the NFL & NBA make such a big deal about it? I'm not disputing anything you said at all, I'm just kinda perplexed by the situation because I've heard ex NFL players and many ex NBA players talk about how important the income tax break in those states is.
- jaydogg1974

Because when over half of the NFL and NBA players are really really (frank)ing stupid with their money... that last few hundred grand could make the difference with them goofing off or having to get a real job in their 40s/50s.

You know what trade would have made a lot more sense

Taylor hall for Seth Jones + lottery protect 1st

Jones atleast is young and talent wise has Norris trophy potential.

I'd take Hall over Johanson all day long. I think its proven by Kane and HBK that you can put together a dominant line with an average center if you have a dominant wing.
- sditulli

I can come up with 10 trades that make more sense...