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AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 28 @ 12:57 PM ET
I'm thinking Seth Jones, only because the Jackets seem to have limited cap space.
AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 28 @ 1:01 PM ET
I'm thinking Seth Jones, only because the Jackets seem to have limited cap space.
- AlfieFever


I guess I should've read the article first.
cpltanto
Calgary Flames
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.05.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:41 PM ET
I don't think that's possible.

Since they didn't offer this year's 2nd round pick, that means next year's pick (2017) has to be offered to them. I don't think you can defer twice with the compensation pick. (and since its been 1 year since Chiarelli is signed, the 2018 draft would be the 4th draft since he was hired)

- DeflatedPucks


Actually I heard on the radio they were discussing that apparently because of the expansion draft, they are able to defer the 2nd round pick to the following year or something....
but nothing has been officially confirmed and they said as much
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jun 28 @ 1:48 PM ET
And Oilers can't do any offer > $5.6m because they won't have their 2nd round pick for next year's draft
- DeflatedPucks



That can be resolved though. Should Edmonton negotiate an offer with Jones they just have to offer Boston their 2017 4th & 2018 2nd for their 2017 2nd back (or something along those lines).

Personally I don't see a point. Columbus likely matches any $7.5M X 5 option and Edmonton won't lose 4 1sts. If a team is trying to screw Columbus over it should be a division rival like Philadelphia. Either they get Jones and only give up a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd or make Columbus' cap a serious issue forcing them to move a contract at a loss.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jun 28 @ 2:55 PM ET
Just stay away from Kucherov damnit
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jun 28 @ 3:11 PM ET
Except that the cap is going to rise about 3 million. It may look tempting to OS Jones, but CBJ will be able to match quite easily at the end of the day.
- vertigo1061


Columbus having 4m in cap space takes into account the rise in the salary cap. They would have to pay people to take contracts they didn't want. And with the contracts they would most want to move having NMC's requiring protection at next years draft, they would have to pay a lot. Columbus could match, but it certainly wouldn't be easy.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jun 28 @ 4:24 PM ET
Winnipeg is only a budget team in the sense that they won't spend to the cap until they're ready to make a run at a cup. Doesn't make sense getting tied up in cap hell in the tail end of a rebuild.
Also, when Jones and Trouba were rookies, Trouba was absolutely the better player. Now? Not close, it's Jones. Trouba being moved is a very real possibility as he hasn't improved (and may have regressed) since his rookie year.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jun 28 @ 4:26 PM ET
the Jets have said they will match any offer, with that said i would hope if some idiotic team wants to way over pay for trouba the Jets take all the #1's and say thank you very much.
- Ross77


I like this idea. We can be friends again.
CBJCannon
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: OH
Joined: 06.28.2016

Jun 28 @ 10:04 PM ET
CBJ actually have 5.4 mil in cap space, I am not sure why everyone is claiming they have less than 4 mil. Granted that is with 20 players, but that is the # of 1 way contracts they have. Which include 12 F, 6 D, & 2 G that is a full roster you can ice in any game. Sure ideally CBJ would like to have the max of 23 players, but I bet they would rather carry less players to have Jones & be cap compliant. Besides how long before a player is injuried & they are able to have a cheap player make the 2 hr drive down the interstate & their actual cap spending go down.

As for Jones, CBJ will and can match offer sheets because teams are allowed 10% overage during the offseason. This is another misnomer that's wrong about claiming CBJ can't match. They technically can match 5.4 + (10%*73) = 12.7 mil AAV. So if a team wants to offer Jones 2+ mil more then the highest league cap hit, CBJ will take the 3 - 1st rounders +. I mean if a GM wants to reset the players market & make their own future RFA negotiations harder too that's their prerogative. Also the team has to have their own draft pick for the comp too. Bottom line CBJ will match or risk losing those fans they do have and they do have a little more room to do to than what's being claimed by everyone, including this article.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jun 28 @ 11:04 PM ET
CBJ actually have 5.4 mil in cap space, I am not sure why everyone is claiming they have less than 4 mil. Granted that is with 20 players, but that is the # of 1 way contracts they have. Which include 12 F, 6 D, & 2 G that is a full roster you can ice in any game. Sure ideally CBJ would like to have the max of 23 players, but I bet they would rather carry less players to have Jones & be cap compliant. Besides how long before a player is injuried & they are able to have a cheap player make the 2 hr drive down the interstate & their actual cap spending go down.

As for Jones, CBJ will and can match offer sheets because teams are allowed 10% overage during the offseason. This is another misnomer that's wrong about claiming CBJ can't match. They technically can match 5.4 + (10%*73) = 12.7 mil AAV. So if a team wants to offer Jones 2+ mil more then the highest league cap hit, CBJ will take the 3 - 1st rounders +. I mean if a GM wants to reset the players market & make their own future RFA negotiations harder too that's their prerogative. Also the team has to have their own draft pick for the comp too. Bottom line CBJ will match or risk losing those fans they do have and they do have a little more room to do to than what's being claimed by everyone, including this article.

- CBJCannon


Offseason salary cap includes players on 1-way contracts AND players on 2-way contracts for the percent of time they spent in the NHL AND qualifying offers sent out. For instance, Korpisalo spent nearly half the season on the NHL roster, so his offseason cap hit is something like 370k. Wennerberg spent the entire season on the NHL roster (injury time counts as NHL) so his entire cap hit counts. Guys like Bjorkstrand, Anderson, and Harrington also count towards offseason cap for the percent of the NHL season they were on the roster or for their QO.
TL;DR: No, you don't have 5.4m in cap space. Under 4m isn't a precise amount either, but it should be fairly close for a discussion about Jones.

Only fitting 20 players under the cap on your NHL roster isn't a realistic option. First, you don't get cap relief for injuries of less than 10 games/24 Days, so you couldn't replace people with minor injuries. Second, you need people on roster in case of injury right before game, like during pregame skate. No time to call someone up. So when looking at next year, Columbus also has something like 4m free. If Jones gets a 9.5m offer, Columbus can match. But they would have to shed something like 5.5m in cap prior to the season starting. That means losing multiple players, or paying someone to take Dubinsky or Foligno. It would be a major jam to put themselves in by matching, making it no sure thing Jarmo would.
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