So did we trade kuni fluery DP and next year 1st for hall talbot and yak yet

Because we asked nicely? It isnt like Ristolainen is some super game changer, Fleury is a massive upgrade over Lehner, and Pouliot has the potential to be a better dman than Risto.
- stackthepads

We get the best player in the deal in Risto; they get the second; we get the third and they get the least valuable player in DP.

Has the potential doesn't mean anything to me. Risto is light years ahead of of DP ... the difference between Risto and DP is larger than MAF and Lehner. IMO.

Buffalo laughs at this, as it should.

If I'm Nashville Im trying real hard to rip off the Oilers in a Weber deal.
- stackthepads

I think weber is borderline untradable. Contract is impossible to make worth. He was paid 80 million first 6 years of his contract. The discrepancy between cash costs and cap costs would make it very tough to find a team looking for him. Especially since he's still paid 12 this year. So cap hits forever but cash costs too high for budget team. And nashvilles too small of mkt to eat the cash they've put into him early and not get the low salary years later.

I like Hall as a player very much, but I wouldn't trade Weber straight up for him. No chance. At least Nashville has extra Dmen ... Montreal ... they don't have any other competent Dmen aside from Subban.

Nashville does have D coming out their wazzoo. Hell, it drafted Fabbro in the first round, another Dman. I think their second pick was a Dman too.
- Oneonta Penguin

Nashville is set at D and Josi is a legit #1 and a better player than Weber. Weber is declining at costs 7 mil against the cap. I'd absolutely trade Weber for Hall straight up. His contract is gonna be really bad within the next three years.

Lucky for Nashville they didn't give Shea a NMC.

sidenote: we are fine on bottom 6th depth, but just curious...what is Matt Martin worth on the open market?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Too much and by the end whoever signs him will do anything to get out of it

So did we trade kuni fluery DP and next year 1st for hall talbot and yak yet


- nh4442

Oh man if only.

I think weber is borderline untradable. Contract is impossible to make worth. He was paid 80 million first 6 years of his contract. The discrepancy between cash costs and cap costs would make it very tough to find a team looking for him. Especially since he's still paid 12 this year. So cap hits forever but cash costs too high for budget team. And nashvilles too small of mkt to eat the cash they've put into him early and not get the low salary years later.
- sditulli

Yeah this is definitely a good argument, and I believe you also mentioned his last few years are bogus years and because of the nature of the contract (super front loaded) I think Nashville would be on the hook if he did retire early.

But if Nashville were to go on a couple of deep playoff runs that would make back the upfront money that the owners already put in.

Would love to get Rasmus Ristolainen out of Buffalo. Wonder if they would go for a Fleury + Pouliot for Lehner + Ristolainen.
- stackthepads

Ristolainen is a top pairing D man right now and will be a legit #1 soon. Buffalo has no other answer at #1 D which is the linch pin for any contender. Talk about Pouliot's potential all you want. Risto is meeting his in a big way. Pouliot is getting older by the second and has yet to scratch the surface of his.

Ristolainen is a top pairing D man right now and will be a legit #1 soon. Buffalo has no other answer at #1 D which is the linch pin for any contender. Talk about Pouliot's potential all you want. Risto is meeting his in a big way. Pouliot is getting older by the second and has yet to scratch the surface of his.
- Victoro311

Can't win the cup without a good goalie either, and Lehner is not a good goalie. I dont think Ristolainen is any better than Dumoulin, but that's just me.

Yeah this is definitely a good argument, and I believe you also mentioned his last few years are bogus years and because of the nature of the contract (super front loaded) I think Nashville would be on the hook if he did retire early.

But if Nashville were to go on a couple of deep playoff runs that would make back the upfront money that the owners already put in.
- stackthepads

His cash costs are pretty reasonable the last few years. 3 million for a 37 year old weber seems like it could be good value. I mean 7 years from now a guy of hall gills quality as a 3rd pair could earn more than that.

Not sure how you keep him motivated. I do think players get motivated by their paycheck to some extent. If you've already cashed 85% of your contract where is the motivation?

Fwiw I believe that was an offer sheet designed so they would have trouble matching it.

We get the best player in the deal in Risto; they get the second; we get the third and they get the least valuable player in DP.

Has the potential doesn't mean anything to me. Risto is light years ahead of of DP ... the difference between Risto and DP is larger than MAF and Lehner. IMO.

Buffalo laughs at this, as it should.
- Oneonta Penguin

I can't wait till Pouliot blows up this year big time and feeds you your words. But then you'll probably just say you liked him all along. Weren't you the guy last summer who said Dumoulins ceiling was 7-8 depth dman? I'm pretty sure it was. And I think you said trading for Shultz would be a stupid idea.

Can't win the cup without a good goalie either, and Lehner is not a good goalie. I dont think Ristolainen is any better than Dumoulin, but that's just me.
- stackthepads

Ristolainen is an excellent two way d man with size and he's only 21. His tangible production is lightyears ahead of Dumoulin (9 goals, 41 points). You're just not right about Risto.

Agree to disagree on Lehner. I think he's a good goalie when healthy, and apparently Murray does too. Giving up Risto for the upgrade between from Lehner to Fleury is beyond not worth it.

I can't wait till Pouliot blows up this year big time and feeds you your words. But then you'll probably just say you liked him all along. Weren't you the guy last summer who said Dumoulins ceiling was 7-8 depth dman? I'm pretty sure it was. And I think you said trading for Shultz would be a stupid idea.
- Dcoms

He doesnt nothing but rag on every player in the league. Everyone sucks, everyone is stupid except for him.

not 100%. lucic even said himself TODAY that he is not sure yet
- martox

http://edmontonjournal.co...nal-reporter-curtis-stock

I can't wait till Pouliot blows up this year big time and feeds you your words. But then you'll probably just say you liked him all along. Weren't you the guy last summer who said Dumoulins ceiling was 7-8 depth dman? I'm pretty sure it was. And I think you said trading for Shultz would be a stupid idea.
- Dcoms

yes he did. he hated schultz with a passion and he said back when the kessel deal got done that dumolins celling was at MAX 7th dman. but who cares really. I still believe in pouliot but won't be suprised if he busts or if he lights it up. pouliot is kind of an enigma atm.

Ristolainen is an excellent two way d man with size and he's only 21. His tangible production is lightyears ahead of Dumoulin (9 goals, 41 points). You're just not right about Risto.

Agree to disagree on Lehner. I think he's a good goalie when healthy, and apparently Murray does too. Giving up Risto for the upgrade between from Lehner to Fleury is beyond not worth it.
- Victoro311

Agree to disagree.

He doesnt nothing but rag on every player in the league. Everyone sucks, everyone is stupid except for him.
- stackthepads

Until they prove him wrong, then he's always liked that player and knew he was going to be good.

Can't win the cup without a good goalie either, and Lehner is not a good goalie. I dont think Ristolainen is any better than Dumoulin, but that's just me.
- stackthepads

It's just you. Others pretty much think he is a star in the making. You are asking them to trade their only competent Dman, and probably their second or third best player on the roster for Pittsburgh's backup goalie and a suspect that hasn't done jack crap in the pros? I expected better from you.

yes he did. he hated schultz with a passion and he said back when the kessel deal got done that dumolins celling was at MAN 7th dman. but who cares really. I still believe in pouliot but won't be suprised if he busts or if lights it up. pouliot is kind of an enigma atm.
- martox

What Pouliot does this summer will define him. If he spends it all in the gym then the skys the limit. If he hangs out at the 7-11 drinking slurpees and telling himself he's great then he'll bust.
Talent is there, but talent isn't close to enough at the NHL level.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-will-have-deal-worked-out-with-milan-lucic-says-journal-reporter-curtis-stock
- Dcoms

http://www.thescore.com/news/1051477
http://fansided.com/2016/...ing-deal-edmonton-oilers/
http://usa.shafaqna.com/EN/US/658165
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...reached-agreement-oilers/
http://bigbadblog.weei.co...in-principle-with-oilers/

do I have to link more?

yes he did. he hated schultz with a passion and he said back when the kessel deal got done that dumolins celling was at MAN 7th dman. but who cares really. I still believe in pouliot but won't be suprised if he busts or if lights it up. pouliot is kind of an enigma atm.
- martox

Pouliot plays on pure confidence. If he's constantly worried about getting benched and never alowed to work through anything(like Maatta is allowed)then of course he's going to look shaky. When I see him play I see a kid who has no confidence and is scared to make a bad play but he has tons of pure talent. Give him a chance Sullivan, you can't honestly say you have.

What Pouliot does this summer will define him. If he spends it all in the gym then the skys the limit. If he hangs out at the 7-11 drinking slurpees and telling himself he's great then he'll bust.
Talent is there, but talent isn't close to enough at the NHL level.
- stackthepads

I doubt very much he hangs out at a 7/11, have you seen his gf? She's incredible and a fitness freak.

I can't wait till Pouliot blows up this year big time and feeds you your words. But then you'll probably just say you liked him all along. Weren't you the guy last summer who said Dumoulins ceiling was 7-8 depth dman? I'm pretty sure it was. And I think you said trading for Shultz would be a stupid idea.
- Dcoms

No, the Dumo comment wasn't me.

Nope, if DP turns into a competent player, I will admit I was wrong. He has a long way to go to get to that stage. I will never say I liked him. Thought it was a joke we drafted him that high. For now, I laugh at those who thing he will be a star. He is a long way away from that.

Yep, thought trading for Schultz was dumb. BFD. I wasn't the only one.

yes he did. he hated schultz with a passion and he said back when the kessel deal got done that dumolins celling was at MAX 7th dman. but who cares really. I still believe in pouliot but won't be suprised if he busts or if he lights it up. pouliot is kind of an enigma atm.
- martox

Never said Dumo's max was as a 7th Dman. Stop the lies. LOL ... yep, I made the comment when we got Kessel. That is too funny. There was no correlation or connection. Funny, saw Dumo play in college and loved his inclusion in the Staal deal.