gives us 800K or so this year. That said, not sure we need Cogliano. Sure, his speed is impressive and fits what we are trying to do, but he is a center ...

Crosby-Malkin-Bonino-Cullen/Fehr.
- Oneonta Penguin

Cogliano can play wing just fine tough. It's a decent move on paper...I just think (right or wrong) the Pens aren't interested giving up their one gritty player and assistant captain...

Cogliano can play wing just fine tough. It's a decent move on paper...I just think (right or wrong) the Pens aren't interested giving up their one gritty player and assistant captain...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I would hope they are going to stay true to moving away from "needing" grit and veteran leadership over raw talent.

And if Cullen returns, that trumps Kunitz's leadership.

Didn't say to pay Dumo 3.3... said that was 3.3 that could go to him. I see Dumo getting near the same as Maatta after his postseason he just gave us.
- Guile

He's 4-6. Depends how many UFA years you buy out and what the cap is next year.

I think GMJR is playing the long game, I think BD gets a long term deal very close to Maatta, I would be ok with a 6 year 4.5 mil deal. I think he is worth every bit of that deal. I think if Kunitz does get traded, it will be for another expiring contract. My question would be, would you rather have Kunitz or Cullen and 2 more D? I think thats what he is costing the Pens right now being on the roster.

There's pros and cons to that trade. Gives us a good amount more of cap space to play with this season, but also makes it so ~4 mil doesn't come off the books when its time to extend Dumoulin and Murray next season.
- Victoro311

I agree, no chance I'm moving Kunitz in any package that carries money beyond this year, I don't see the Dumoulin extension being a huge issue as he should get around what Maata got but I could definitely see the Murray extension being an issue. Assuming he has another big year a bridge deal is going to be unrealistic and a potential offer sheet could make things very interesting, hopefully it doesn't turn into a situation similar to Saad or Hamilton.

I like Cullen and Kunitz a lot, but keeping guys around because of what they did in the past and neglecting their age is what got Shero and the Pens in trouble for 7 years. A roster is an ever changing evolving project. Not something carved in stone.

I dont think extending Bonino long term would be a good idea. Its going back to the Kunitz, Dupes, Scuds model. Pens finally got successful because they had young hungry guys on the cheap. Keep that model going. Once they get really good and want more $$$ thank them for their service and let some other idiot GM overpay.

gives us 800K or so this year. That said, not sure we need Cogliano. Sure, his speed is impressive and fits what we are trying to do, but he is a center ...

Crosby-Malkin-Bonino-Cullen/Fehr.
- Oneonta Penguin

He plays all three forward positions about equally well. He's mainly used as a LW.

I like Cullen and Kunitz a lot, but keeping guys around because of what they did in the past and neglecting their age is what got Shero and the Pens in trouble for 7 years. A roster is an ever changing evolving project. Not something carved in stone.

I dont think extending Bonino long term would be a good idea. Its going back to the Kunitz, Dupes, Scuds model. Pens finally got successful because they had young hungry guys on the cheap. Keep that model going. Once they get really good and want more $$$ thank them for their service and let some other idiot GM overpay.
- sammy87

Giving Cullen a one year deal to play 4th line minutes is not even close to what Shero did, not even in the same ballpark.

I like Cullen and Kunitz a lot, but keeping guys around because of what they did in the past and neglecting their age is what got Shero and the Pens in trouble for 7 years. A roster is an ever changing evolving project. Not something carved in stone.

I dont think extending Bonino long term would be a good idea. Its going back to the Kunitz, Dupes, Scuds model. Pens finally got successful because they had young hungry guys on the cheap. Keep that model going. Once they get really good and want more $$$ thank them for their service and let some other idiot GM overpay.
- sammy87

Cullen on a one year sub-1 mil deal isn't exactly what Shero did to screw us. I think what we do with Bonino and Daley will be real telling about whether or not we learned our lesson.

I like Cullen and Kunitz a lot, but keeping guys around because of what they did in the past and neglecting their age is what got Shero and the Pens in trouble for 7 years. A roster is an ever changing evolving project. Not something carved in stone.

I dont think extending Bonino long term would be a good idea. Its going back to the Kunitz, Dupes, Scuds model. Pens finally got successful because they had young hungry guys on the cheap. Keep that model going. Once they get really good and want more $$$ thank them for their service and let some other idiot GM overpay.
- sammy87

Age only matters when considering the length of term on the contract, having guys like Kunitz & Cullen for 1 year makes their age irrelevant. 16 goals from a 39yo still benefits a team more than 10 goals from a 23yo. Shero got himself in trouble because he locked himself into too much term relative to the age of player he was resigning.

[quote=Blackstrom2]Right. Earning his last million is certainly not on his mind. Got it
These are not football players, or that scumbag Jagr.

I like Cullen and Kunitz a lot, but keeping guys around because of what they did in the past and neglecting their age is what got Shero and the Pens in trouble for 7 years. A roster is an ever changing evolving project. Not something carved in stone.

I dont think extending Bonino long term would be a good idea. Its going back to the Kunitz, Dupes, Scuds model. Pens finally got successful because they had young hungry guys on the cheap. Keep that model going. Once they get really good and want more $$$ thank them for their service and let some other idiot GM overpay.
- sammy87

No one is offering Cullen a 4 year deal. Extending Kunitz was the right move. The guy still out plays Sheary/Rust/Kuhn any day of the week and earns his paycheck. Duper would be in the same boat prob if not for blood clots. Extending Malkin for 9.5 was the big mistake. We have a 5 million dollar center getting paid twice what he's worth.

Age only matters when considering the length of term on the contract, having guys like Kunitz & Cullen for 1 year makes their age irrelevant. 16 goals from a 39yo still benefits a team more than 10 goals from a 23yo. Shero got himself in trouble because he locked himself into too much term relative to the age of player he was resigning.
- jaydogg1974

To be honest what gets you in trouble is simplistic thinking.

Too old. Can't sign him. Nope won't work there are good old players too.

He's not fast. Its our identity. No there are guys who contribute who are not Kessel/Hagelin types.

Select only puck moving dmen and deal them for top 6 help. ya that doesn't work. Worked once or twice for shero.

Holy crap WBS just signed a monster winger, captain of Cornell.

http://wbspenguins.com/ar...s-with-christian-hilbrich

No one is offering Cullen a 4 year deal. Extending Kunitz was the right move. The guy still out plays Sheary/Rust/Kuhn any day of the week and earns his paycheck. Duper would be in the same boat prob if not for blood clots. Extending Malkin for 9.5 was the big mistake. We have a 5 million dollar center getting paid twice what he's worth.
- Grinder47

Holy crap WBS just signed a monster winger, captain of Cornell.

http://wbspenguins.com/ar...s-with-christian-hilbrich
- Reverend Killtaker

six-foot-seven, 223 lbs
jesus......
sounds like grinders wet dream. his production is really bad though

six-foot-seven, 223 lbs
jesus......
sounds like grinders wet dream. his production is really bad though
- martox

He'll probably be a standard AHL goon or ECHLer. Totally fine with that. Organizational depth.

six-foot-seven, 223 lbs
jesus......
sounds like grinders wet dream. his production is really bad though
- martox

The AHL is much more of a grit/goon league and over that last few seasons WBS has been pretty small and not as physical so it will be interesting to see what happens with this guy.

Kunitz to Anaheim for Cogliano? What kind of pick/prospect would the Pens have to include to entice the Ducks? They're familiar w/ Kuni and have a lot of contracts coming off the books. Frees up $850k and gives the Pens a younger, faster, more versatile winger for 2 years. Won't happen, but one can dream....
- BestEpisodeEver

Not sure why people wanna trade Kunitz. He's scored 17 goals in each of the last 2 seasons and lead the team in hits this past season. He's good on the forecheck and wins board battles....next year I'd rather have Kunitz and his 17 goals at $3.75mil than Cogliano and his 9 goals for $3mil or Shaw for $3.9mil

The AHL is much more of a grit/goon league and over that last few seasons WBS has been pretty small and not as physical so it will be interesting to see what happens with this guy.
- Reverend Killtaker

If he makes the team, probably a call up for the games against Columbus and Philthy and then back to obscurity. I would love to see Prout get pounded.

If he makes the team, probably a call up for the games against Columbus and Philthy and then back to obscurity. I would love to see Prout get pounded.
- T-Train

Or we can ice the best team possible. I don't understand why after last season people are still advocating gooning up against these second rate, poopty, agitating teams. Nothing feels worse than losing to them, and the best way to avoid that is to play our best available, not sink to their level and play one or two goons as a "countermeasure". I didn't notice one iota of difference when Sestito or Farnham played last season except that there was one guy on the ice that clearly wasn't an NHL talent.

Or we can ice the best team possible. I don't understand why after last season people are still advocating gooning up against these second rate, poopty, agitating teams. Nothing feels worse than losing to them, and the best way to avoid that is to play our best available, not sink to their level and play one or two goons as a "countermeasure". I didn't notice one iota of difference when Sestito or Farnham played last season except that there was one guy on the ice that clearly wasn't an NHL talent.
- Victoro311

If the situation is right, I have no issue with it, but I also don't want to sacrifice our game plan either...sparingly but only very sparingly

If he makes the team, probably a call up for the games against Columbus and Philthy and then back to obscurity. I would love to see Prout get pounded.
- T-Train

I much prefer to see a disciplined Penguins team stay cool and pile up goals against a physical team that is frustrated and starts losing their temper. Winning by 5 or 6 goals is way more satisfying than watching Prout get pounded.

Holy crap WBS just signed a monster winger, captain of Cornell.

http://wbspenguins.com/ar...s-with-christian-hilbrich
- Reverend Killtaker

I remember seeing him play at the college tournament in Naples. He is a big kid - project though.

I much prefer to see a disciplined Penguins team stay cool and pile up goals against a physical team that is frustrated and starts losing their temper. Winning by 5 or 6 goals is way more satisfying than watching Prout get pounded.
- jrmjames67

Agree 100%.