OK now its confirmed.

Schenn ONLY got a qualifying offer. Means Flyers and Schenn were not close to money and/or terms. I don't see how Schenn isn't traded at some point. He is 24, not sure how many games are needed, but he can at least become a UFA at 26.

Flyers still need 1 more defenseman for the Flyers All-HOF team (Players I consider Flyers, not just played here briefly)

Owner - Ed Snider
GM - Keith Allen
Coach - Shero
Coach - Neilson
Coach - Quinn

G - Parent
D -
D - Howe
LW - Barber
C - Clarke
RW - Lindros

Pretty damn looking team!
- Glak18

It's not secret that the two sides were not close at all. Flyers have all the power right now. No point in not using it.

They don't value him at the salary Schenn's side has asked for.

It's rare when you have a core player of your team get qualified as an RFA, right? Or is it something that happens frequently? Asking for a friend....

are you saying that you think offer sheeting jones would make all of the Flyers prospects vulnerable?

to that I say the Flyers are in a much different salary cap situation
- YuenglingJagr

I'm saying I see the Flyers having a lot of attractive RFA's in the years to come and I'd avoid giving any other teams extra motivation to rock the boat in those negotiations.

Thanks Bill. Good stuff as usual. I thought that McD could be brought up to the 4th line, so that we could let White go, and not have to bring in someone like Latta. I guess we are pretty much stuck with the same D as last season. Also, we really need to find a winger for the first line. And I don't know where Lyon fits in, unless we plan to dump one of the other goalies, and bank some salary. So, until the kids get some more seasoning, I don't see much of a different team next season. Hopefully, we will have some better luck in the injury department, as well.
- OrangeAndBlack1

Any possible chance of Provorov making the team next season? How about Voracek having a better season, or Couturier staying healthy and breaking out offensively? Same as last year, no room for internal growth, yet the team made the playoffs last season.

Agreed; you don't have to ignore the previous seasons, and you shouldn't

I'd take him to arbitration in a heartbeat
- AllInForFlyers

Arbitration is not a healthy thing, and really should be avoided if at all possible.

It's not secret that the two sides were not close at all. Flyers have all the power right now. No point in not using it.

They don't value him at the salary Schenn's side has asked for.

It's rare when you have a core player of your team get qualified as an RFA, right? Or is it something that happens frequently? Asking for a friend....
- MikesPillBottle

Gaudreau and Monahan haven't signed their new deals yet.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames

Nope, 32 points in 45 games pro rates to 58 over 82 games. And he signed in August 2012, before the 12-13 season happened.

Holmgren gambled he would get better, and he did.
- Feanor

You are correct, I was mistaken. At 23 years old, I would still argue Simmonds was/is the better player.

Simmonds to me is part of the core. Schenn won't be part of the core with a large contract.

Hell I don't even think Schenn is part of the core now. Admittedly, I'm biased against Schenn because I (frank)ing hate him as a hockey player. Reminds me of a less talented Mike Richards. Unfair or not, at least I will admit my bias.

I'm saying I see the Flyers having a lot of attractive RFA's in the years to come and I'd avoid giving any other teams extra motivation to rock the boat in those negotiations.
- Baxter27

The Flyers could also sign guys they think are part of the future before they get to be RFA status to avoid that.

I think "worth" is relative. Umberger was getting 4.5mil and Hartnell as well.

Wayne Simmonds is a better hockey player so far in his career than Schenn has shown, but Simmonds only got 3.9mil a year.

Simmons last 5 Seasons:
60 Points
50
60
32
49

Schenn last 5 Seasons:
59
47
41
26
18

Schenn's numbers are surely trending upward, but I can't fathom paying him more than Simmonds.
- MikesPillBottle

Umberger, Hartnell, and Simmonds all signed their contracts when? What would Simmonds get right now, if he was due for a contract?

If you want to sign Schenn to 3.9 million 1 year deal you will have to take your chances in arbitration. What if he continues to develop next season and scores 30 goals 70 points? Now you're looking at a long term deal in the 6-7 million range.

5 x 5 is fair for both sides and is what I'm hoping for.
- Baxter27

if he does get 30 goals and 70 points, than you can justifiably pay him his 6 mil a year. what if you pay him 5 or 5.5 and he reverts back to scoring 20 goals and only 45 points. adding .5 or 1 mil to the cap just to be sure, than adding 5 mil over 5 years for a cap hit that is a huge overpayment, i think is the safe way to go.

unless we see schenn becoming a 50 goal scorer and commanding north of 8, i go with the arbitrator and try to come in at anywhere less than 4 mil.

OK now its confirmed.

Schenn ONLY got a qualifying offer. Means Flyers and Schenn were not close to money and/or terms. I don't see how Schenn isn't traded at some point. He is 24, not sure how many games are needed, but he can at least become a UFA at 26.


- Glak18

Nothing is confirmed by Schenn ONLY getting a qualifying offer. It's just a formality to retain his rights, and there is a deadline for that. Negotiations are ongoing, and that doesn't in any way mean he is going to be traded, or not traded. Really means nothing.

You are correct, I was mistaken. At 23 years old, I would still argue Simmonds was/is the better player.

Simmonds to me is part of the core. Schenn won't be part of the core with a large contract.

Hell I don't even think Schenn is part of the core now. Admittedly, I'm biased against Schenn because I (frank)ing hate him as a hockey player. Reminds me of a less talented Mike Richards. Unfair or not, at least I will admit my bias.
- MikesPillBottle

I wonder where he'll be in a couple of years. His team friendly deal ends at 30. Also will his style of play continue to hold up? I know he is over 6ft but he also isn't a big guy as I think he is around 185-190. When do the Flyers start to evaluate the future with Simmonds because around the time his deal is up is when the Flyers should be making a name for themselves with the youth on the blueline and some of the forwards.

Gaudreau and Monahan haven't signed their new deals yet.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames
- Feanor

I would compare Schenn's next deal to the deal Voracek got in 2012. 4.25mil a year after his 49 point season.

https://eveningthescore.w...en-schenns-next-contract/

Not sure if accurate, but some interesting metrics in comparing Schenn and Voracek at 22 years old.

Again, not sure if it's a reliable source of information at all. Interesting read is all I'm offering on it.

Nothing is confirmed by Schenn ONLY getting a qualifying offer. It's just a formality to retain his rights, and there is a deadline for that. Negotiations are ongoing, and that doesn't in any way mean he is going to be traded, or not traded. Really means nothing.
- MJL

Payback.

The Predators offer sheet Schenn. hahaha.

Arbitration is not a healthy thing, and really should be avoided if at all possible.
- MJL

False. It's a tool of the CBA and should be used, just like offer sheets and just like non-tendering.

These are professional athletes, and this is big business. They have agents to take care of this stuff; the days of Tommy Soderstrom being reduced to tears are long gone.

Shea Weber went to arbitration. If the Predators can take Shea Weber to arbitration, the Philadelphia Flyers sure as hell can take Brayden Schenn

if he does get 30 goals and 70 points, than you can justifiably pay him his 6 mil a year. what if you pay him 5 or 5.5 and he reverts back to scoring 20 goals and only 45 points. adding .5 or 1 mil to the cap just to be sure, than adding 5 mil over 5 years for a cap hit that is a huge overpayment, i think is the safe way to go.

unless we see schenn becoming a 50 goal scorer and commanding north of 8, i go with the arbitrator and try to come in at anywhere less than 4 mil.
- sjk540

He will be 1 year closer to UFA with the option to take to the team to arbitration for his final RFA year. Flyers have significantly more leverage now.

His development has been consistent and he proved last season he is a legitimate top 6 scoring forward. 4 goals and 7 assists isn't going to change that. Now is the time to pay him what he's worth. Don't wait until his agent has the leverage to add a million or two to that cap hit.

I would compare Schenn's next deal to the deal Voracek got in 2012. 4.25mil a year after his 49 point season.

https://eveningthescore.w...en-schenns-next-contract/

Not sure if accurate, but some interesting metrics in comparing Schenn and Voracek at 22 years old.

Again, not sure if it's a reliable source of information at all. Interesting read is all I'm offering on it.
- MikesPillBottle

Salaries escalate and rise. What a similar player was worth 4 years ago, is different than what that player is worth today.

OK now its confirmed.

Schenn ONLY got a qualifying offer. Means Flyers and Schenn were not close to money and/or terms. I don't see how Schenn isn't traded at some point. He is 24, not sure how many games are needed, but he can at least become a UFA at 26.

Flyers still need 1 more defenseman for the Flyers All-HOF team (Players I consider Flyers, not just played here briefly)

Owner - Ed Snider
GM - Keith Allen
Coach - Shero
Coach - Neilson
Coach - Quinn

G - Parent
D -
D - Howe
LW - Barber
C - Clarke
RW - Lindros

Pretty damn looking team!
- Glak18

GhostBear.

Yup, just like they traded MDZ after he only got a QO this time last year.
- Feanor

But Schenn is 24...thought of being core, MDZ has never been. When a team AND player think highly of each other, they get a deal done, no if/ands or buts. Name the last Flyer to have their negotiations get strung along this far...80/20 he is no longer a Flyer by season's end.

False. It's a tool of the CBA and should be used, just like offer sheets and just like non-tendering.

These are professional athletes, and this is big business. They have agents to take care of this stuff; the days of Tommy Soderstrom being reduced to tears are long gone.

Shea Weber went to arbitration. If the Predators can take Shea Weber to arbitration, the Philadelphia Flyers sure as hell can take Brayden Schenn
- AllInForFlyers

Arbitration doesn't happen that often for a reason. Teams try and avoid it unless necessary. Much better to work out an amicable and fair deal that both sides can live with than to go to arbitration.

Nothing is confirmed by Schenn ONLY getting a qualifying offer. It's just a formality to retain his rights, and there is a deadline for that. Negotiations are ongoing, and that doesn't in any way mean he is going to be traded, or not traded. Really means nothing.
- MJL

Means nothing to you, means something to me. Agree to disagree.

Nothing is confirmed by Schenn ONLY getting a qualifying offer. It's just a formality to retain his rights, and there is a deadline for that. Negotiations are ongoing, and that doesn't in any way mean he is going to be traded, or not traded. Really means nothing.
- MJL

What would you pay?

I would refuse to pay somebody a big contract after one true breakout year. I'd rather go to arbitration and risk losing him as a UFA, instead of signing him and it being another poopty contract.

I would love to keep the guy long term if he plays like he did last season, its not even the points its the consistent effort. If he wants that let him prove it for one more year, because last season was the first time he did so.

But Schenn is 24...thought of being core, MDZ has never been. When a team AND player think highly of each other, they get a deal done, no if/ands or buts. Name the last Flyer to have their negotiations get strung along this far...80/20 he is no longer a Flyer by season's end.
- Glak18

They liked Couturier. They got him signed.

I agree with you point if I am rereading it correctly.

If they liked Schenn so much and thought he would be a great player in the future then a deal would be done

Umberger, Hartnell, and Simmonds all signed their contracts when? What would Simmonds get right now, if he was due for a contract?
- MJL

He isn't, so it's a moot point.

He isn't, so it's a moo point.
- MikesPillBottle

ftfy

FWIW, I think Schenn does get signed, and it'll be close to $5mm per. If he and his agent really want to use Forsberg as a comparable, then it could get sticky, but he's not in Forsberg's class.

If that's his price, go to arbitration if he sticks to it. But there should be room to get it done