thats part of the fun
- YuenglingJagr

not bad

Bridge deal (frank).

One breakout year of generally consistent effort after previous seasons of looking invisible for long stretches.

End this damn trend of paying guys too soon.
- flyer_nutter

Agreed; you don't have to ignore the previous seasons, and you shouldn't

I'd take him to arbitration in a heartbeat

people really think he will take under 5mm? damn

Offer sheet breakdown:

Less than $1,239,226 Nothing
Over $1,239,226 to $1,877,615 Third-round pick
Over $1,877,615 to $3,755,233 Second-round pick
Over $3,755,233 to $5,632,847 First and third-round picks
Over $5,632,847 to $7,510,464 First, second and third-round picks
Over $7,510,464 to $9,388,080 Two firsts, a second and third-round picks
Over $9,388,080 Four first-round picks


Any interest in an OS to Trouba? Does WPG definitely match if its 7 years at the highest value in the bolded part?
- J35Bacher

For offer sheets you divide the total salary by 5, if it's 5 or more years. So a 7 year offer sheet with an AAV of $5,632,847 would be worth Two firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd.

I'm alarmed at the thought of Schenn with a cap hit over 4mil, let alone 5mil.

He has not done enough to warrant that amount. Paying players based on projected expectations is a recipe for disaster.

I can't see Hexy giving him a long contract at a cap # being discussed.

2-4 year deal at 3.9mil at the most. If we are going to keep him I would rather not have the burden of a large cap hit weighing him down and hampering his development.
- MikesPillBottle

If you want to sign Schenn to 3.9 million 1 year deal you will have to take your chances in arbitration. What if he continues to develop next season and scores 30 goals 70 points? Now you're looking at a long term deal in the 6-7 million range.

5 x 5 is fair for both sides and is what I'm hoping for.

people really think he will take under 5mm? damn
- rinaldo

Not me.

I think they are starting at 6.(Schenns Camp).

I have a feeling they are looking in the 5.5-5.75 range.


If he was looking at less than 5 I think he would already be signed.

I'm alarmed at the thought of Schenn with a cap hit over 4mil, let alone 5mil.

He has not done enough to warrant that amount. Paying players based on projected expectations is a recipe for disaster.

I can't see Hexy giving him a long contract at a cap # being discussed.

2-4 year deal at 3.9mil at the most. If we are going to keep him I would rather not have the burden of a large cap hit weighing him down and hampering his development.
- MikesPillBottle

You're living in fantasy land. Shaw just got 6 years at $3.9m with numbers nowhere near Schenn's.

Bridge deal (frank).

One breakout year of generally consistent effort after previous seasons of looking invisible for long stretches.

End this damn trend of paying guys too soon.
- flyer_nutter

If they don't, you might as well start the countdown clock to the next lockout.

It isn't paying him based on projected expectations. His production in recent seasons is worth more than 4M a year.
- MJL

I think "worth" is relative. Umberger was getting 4.5mil and Hartnell as well.

Wayne Simmonds is a better hockey player so far in his career than Schenn has shown, but Simmonds only got 3.9mil a year.

Simmons last 5 Seasons:
60 Points
50
60
32
49

Schenn last 5 Seasons:
59
47
41
26
18

Schenn's numbers are surely trending upward, but I can't fathom paying him more than Simmonds.

i would offer sheet seth jones 1000 times before i thought about offer sheeting trouba

Bridge deal (frank).

One breakout year of generally consistent effort after previous seasons of looking invisible for long stretches.

End this damn trend of paying guys too soon.
- flyer_nutter

He's already had a two bridge deal and will be a UFA in two more years. The only bridge deal possible now would be for one year, possibly via arbitration.

If they don't, you might as well start the countdown clock to the next lockout.
- Scoob

The owners love the lockouts. They get to impose a bunch of new rules on the rest of the league and close loop holes while creating new ones to abuse for the next decade.

It's a stupid cycle.

i would offer sheet seth jones 1000 times before i thought about offer sheeting trouba
- YuenglingJagr

I wonder if someone will. Columbus has a lot of deals they would have to move to fit a big offer sheet to Jones

I think "worth" is relative. Umberger was getting 4.5mil and Hartnell as well.

Wayne Simmonds is a better hockey player so far in his career than Schenn has shown, but Simmonds only got 3.9mil a year.
- MikesPillBottle

Simmonds best seasons came after signing the extension. If Holmgren bridged him for 13-14 (the season he first hit 60 points) his subsequent contract would have been much more expensive.

I think "worth" is relative. Umberger was getting 4.5mil and Hartnell as well.

Wayne Simmonds is a better hockey player so far in his career than Schenn has shown, but Simmonds only got 3.9mil a year.

Simmons last 5 Seasons:
60 Points
50
60
32
49

Schenn last 5 Seasons:
59
47
41
26
18

Schenn's numbers are surely trending upward, but I can't fathom paying him more than Simmonds.
- MikesPillBottle

Simmonds contract is a bargain because Holmgren signed him long term at the right time. He hasn't been a drastically better hockey player than Schenn either. His numbers are inflated because he's been a mainstay on the top power player unit for the last 3 years. This was the first year Schenn was consistently used on the top PP and his numbers reflect that.

Simmonds best seasons came after signing the extension. If Holmgren bridged him for 13-14 (the season he first hit 60 points) his subsequent contract would have been much more expensive.
- Feanor

This...timing is everything on contracts

You're living in fantasy land. Shaw just got 6 years at $3.9m with numbers nowhere near Schenn's.
- Feanor

At least contracts make sense in my fantasy land. Elisha Cuthbert is massaging my shoulders right now, butt ass naked.

My fantasy land is heaven.

Simmonds best seasons came after signing the extension. If Holmgren bridged him for 13-14 (the season he first hit 60 points) his subsequent contract would have been much more expensive.
- Feanor

Yeah.

They got lucky with that deal in a way. Got him cheap and long term and then he flourished.

OK now its confirmed.

Schenn ONLY got a qualifying offer. Means Flyers and Schenn were not close to money and/or terms. I don't see how Schenn isn't traded at some point. He is 24, not sure how many games are needed, but he can at least become a UFA at 26.

Flyers still need 1 more defenseman for the Flyers All-HOF team (Players I consider Flyers, not just played here briefly)

Owner - Ed Snider
GM - Keith Allen
Coach - Shero
Coach - Neilson
Coach - Quinn

G - Parent
D -
D - Howe
LW - Barber
C - Clarke
RW - Lindros

Pretty damn looking team!

i would offer sheet seth jones 1000 times before i thought about offer sheeting trouba
- YuenglingJagr

I'd be staying away from throwing offer sheet stones with the glass house of prospects Hextall is building.

Simmonds best seasons came after signing the extension. If Holmgren bridged him for 13-14 (the season he first hit 60 points) his subsequent contract would have been much more expensive.
- Feanor

Using his point totals from the lock out year would put him over 60 points in a full season.

You make valid points, however. I do not want imply that they are not.

Contracts in the NHL are unpredictable. We should create an environment of equality and just pay them all the same. 1 mil a year. That way they can all feed their starving families.

I'd be staying away from throwing offer sheet stones with the glass house of prospects Hextall is building.
- Baxter27

are you saying that you think offer sheeting jones would make all of the Flyers prospects vulnerable?

to that I say the Flyers are in a much different salary cap situation

OK now its confirmed.

Schenn ONLY got a qualifying offer. Means Flyers and Schenn were not close to money and/or terms. I don't see how Schenn isn't traded at some point.
- Glak18

Yup, just like they traded MDZ after he only got a QO this time last year.

Not me.

I think they are starting at 6.(Schenns Camp).

I have a feeling they are looking in the 5.5-5.75 range.


If he was looking at less than 5 I think he would already be signed.
- J35Bacher

agree

Using his point totals from the lock out year would put him over 60 points in a full season.
- MikesPillBottle

Nope, 32 points in 45 games pro rates to 58 over 82 games. And he signed in August 2012, before the 12-13 season happened.

Holmgren gambled he would get better, and he did.