Depends on the situation. It's not Detroits fault that Datsyuk wants to go back to Russia.

But if they sign the guy till he's 45 and he retires at 40 like most players, then yes, the team should be on the hook for that.
- cburgess

They took the risk when they signed him to a long-term contract after he was 35. The reality is, if the Wings (and now the Yotes) want to protest Datsyuk signing a contract in the KHL forcing that contract to be voided, they can.

They then risk the possibility he comes back to play (unlikely) or if he does not, they suspend him w/o pay and still have the cap hit with no financial impact.

Sucks for the Wings, but that is the same rules everyone else is playing by - they knew it when signing the deal.

Keep up guys and you'll give Pete a heart attack.

As a side note, I understood what you were saying, I was just saying it was not realistic to have a roster full of players you pay nothing for. Nor possible. But it is possible to have a roster of miserable players with miserable contracts, that you are not paying full price on, because the contracts are front loaded.
- Mashadar

I get that Mash.

Also, my heart is fine.

.....I think..

I prefer not to I enjoy the surprises
- Fredo

You should watch the Crying Game then.

I get that Mash.

Also, my heart is fine.

.....I think..
- pete26

Haha.

You think that's what I'm saying??

THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING!!

Jesus Christ.

Holy.

Come one.

Good Lord.
- pete26

I think we were just trying to say that a contract structured like that would have some value to a tanking team trying to reach the cap floor. Yes getting retired contracts is the better option, but there are only a few of those in the league. I'll just leave it at that.

They took the risk when they signed him to a long-term contract after he was 35. The reality is, if the Wings (and now the Yotes) want to protest Datsyuk signing a contract in the KHL forcing that contract to be voided, they can.

They then risk the possibility he comes back to play (unlikely) or if he does not, they suspend him w/o pay and still have the cap hit with no financial impact.

Sucks for the Wings, but that is the same rules everyone else is playing by - they knew it when signing the deal.
- Mashadar

They have to change it tho, cause teams are going to start signing 34 year olds to 7 and 8 year deals knowing some team will trade for his contract when he retires.

They have to change it tho, cause teams are going to start signing 34 year olds to 7 and 8 year deals knowing some team will trade for his contract when he retires.
- cburgess

Not if they don't allow those contracts to be traded.

Not if they don't allow those contracts to be traded.
- Mashadar

That would make sense. That will be a while before that's brought in tho.

I think we were just trying to say that a contract structured like that would have some value to a tanking team trying to reach the cap floor. Yes getting retired contracts is the better option, but there are only a few of those in the league. I'll just leave it at that.
- cburgess

So....keepin' busy?

I know, and in the next CBA, expect retired contracts to be un-tradeable. But the whole poopstorm started when I claimed a front loaded contract would be appealing to cash strapped teams. There has to be a certain amount to the remainder of the contract, lest they be charged with cap circumvention.
- Darksyde

Yeah, I understood your point. And I agree with it.

So....keepin' busy?
- pete26

Hey I'm back from work.

It's not just about points... I'll take Backes with everything else he provides over the same amount of points for a coward like Vanek
- obie

Bringing playoff choke jobs is huge

They have to change it tho, cause teams are going to start signing 34 year olds to 7 and 8 year deals knowing some team will trade for his contract when he retires.
- cburgess

It's kinda stupid that a retired player's contract still counts on your salary cap

It's kinda stupid that a retired player's contract still counts on your salary cap
- Fredo

No.

i would like to see them sign Ericksson or Ladd for 4 years. failing that, Backes (assuming he even makes it to Friday) or Brouwer.

we will end up signing Perron 2 years/$7 million. he will be a healthy scratch by mid November.

i would like to see them sign Ericksson or Ladd for 4 years. failing that, Backes (assuming he even makes it to Friday) or Brouwer.

we will end up signing Perron 2 years/$7 million. he will be a healthy scratch by mid November.
- DoubleDown

bang on.

It's kinda stupid that a retired player's contract still counts on your salary cap
- Fredo

if not you'd have these old guys signing contracts till they were 44 and only playing the first 2-3 years which would be the highest salary. even though they limited the fluctuation of salary over the life of a contract, that would still be pretty blatant circumvention. what i don't understand is how teams are allowed to trade those contracts. like how is Marc Savard still getting traded?

Guys, it's easy...all we have to do is get rid of Plekanec and Emelin, and we have the money to sign Stamkos!!

if not you'd have these old guys signing contracts till they were 44 and only playing the first 2-3 years which would be the highest salary. even though they limited the fluctuation of salary over the life of a contract, that would still be pretty blatant circumvention. what i don't understand is how teams are allowed to trade those contracts. like how is Marc Savard still getting traded?
- DoubleDown

Well technically he still could come back to play, is Bill Daly going to start pointing out contracts that can't be traded?

Guys, it's easy...all we have to do is get rid of Plekanec and Emelin, and we have the money to sign Stamkos!!
- Euh_Michel

Dude, Plekanec-Emelin-DD and you have 14 millions in cap space.

It's ridiculous that this team has cap problems when their 3 best forwards are MASSIVELY underpaid.

i would like to see them sign Ericksson or Ladd for 4 years. failing that, Backes (assuming he even makes it to Friday) or Brouwer.

we will end up signing Perron 2 years/$7 million. he will be a healthy scratch by mid November.
- DoubleDown

Backes would fit well. He knows all about first round exits.

Guys, it's easy...all we have to do is get rid of Plekanec and Emelin, and we have the money to sign Stamkos!!
- Euh_Michel

They moved Eller. Possible to move them, but harder to do so before july first.

They moved Eller. Possible to move them, but harder to do so before july first.
- deadpoulet

Sign the guy first, trade them after.

Who cares if we don't get the market value back. The UFA signed will be better than the picks or AHLer

And if you can't sign anybody, you still have those plugs to fill a jersey

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