No, you are right, it was definitely me. I just said to explore his value for a multitude of reasons and somehow people get butthurt about it and go into "why would we trade a good player???" mode.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'll admit I was definitely part of the explore the Hornqvist options as well because I just don't think he fits the way the Pens want to play and view him more as a specialist than anything else, that was also before expansion was finalized, now I'm only trading him if it's a substantial over payment, ultimately I think he could be the ultimate blocker for some of our younger prospect that will also have to be unprotected in the expansion draft.

There is always one person willing to trade Hornquist, that would be our blogger RW.

I also love how once again her manipulated states to make our two draft picks looks worse than they are. We all know those 2 guys will not be in the NHL anytime soon. So they will continue to play in juniors most likely. So there pts/game will go up as they get older and get in better opportunities to play in scoring chances, like the powerplay.

And he compared these numbers to top level NHL talent at the end of there junior careers. What was Pouliot or Shultz's at time they were drafted, not at end of career. Shultz played 4 more years after being drafted, so obviously went way up.
- mmonana120

These stats aren't super manipulated.

In 138 regular season games with Portland prior to his drafting, DP was at 0.64 PPG.

Justin Schultz was drafted before going into the NCAA but was at 0.7 PPG during regular season action in the BCHL.

OMG ... again with Evander Kane? How about we acquire Patrick Kane two and then we corner the market on two turds named Kane that constitute a lot of trouble. When will the Evander Kane madness end. He is a lot more trouble than he is worth.
- Oneonta Penguin

Not so sure about Evander but why not acquire Patrick in a perfect world were it was actually possible with the cap? I don't give 2 poops what these guys do off the ice if it doesn't effect what they do on the ice and considering Patrick was just the best player in the league in 2016 his issues clearly didn't affect his on ice play.

Not so sure about Evander but why not acquire Patrick in a perfect world were it was actually possible with the cap? I don't give 2 poops what these guys do off the ice if it doesn't effect what they do on the ice and considering Patrick was just the best player in the league in 2016 his issues clearly didn't affect his on ice play.
- jaydogg1974

My personal opinion is that I'd rather not have to root for legitimately terrible human beings. The Hawks train for a week at Notre Dame every preseason, and I've heard enough anecdotal stories about Patrick Kane's extracurriculars in South Bend that the tales of his scumbaggery aren't overblown.

Fleury for Franson and Reinhart or Girgensons
- nh4442

You are off your rocker if you think you are getting Reinhart for MAF.

These stats aren't super manipulated.

In 138 regular season games with Portland prior to his drafting, DP was at 0.64 PPG.

Justin Schultz was drafted before going into the NCAA but was at 0.7 PPG during regular season action in the BCHL.
- Victoro311

I agree but that bothers me more than anything else, the numbers didn't need to be manipulated at all to make the point valid but he manipulated the stats none the less, it really discredits the value of the point when you do things like that.

My personal opinion is that I'd rather not have to root for legitimately terrible human beings. The Hawks train for a week at Notre Dame every preseason, and I've heard enough anecdotal stories about Patrick Kane's extracurriculars in South Bend that the tales of his scumbaggery aren't overblown.
- Victoro311

See that doesn't bother me at all, having grown up in Latrobe I've had the pleasure(if you can call it that) of getting to be around many of the Steelers players and coaches and got to see first hand just how despicable some of them really are but I'm still gonna root for them to succeed while they're on my team. I consider Bill Cowher to be one of the biggest pieces of human waste in the world but I still rooted for the Steelers to win while he was the coach.

OMG ... again with Evander Kane? How about we acquire Patrick Kane two and then we corner the market on two turds named Kane that constitute a lot of trouble. When will the Evander Kane madness end. He is a lot more trouble than he is worth.
- Oneonta Penguin

I knew you would hate this. lol. I dunno, I still think Evander is a turd but he's not a criminal like Patrick, imo. At least not yet. If his value has dropped far enough from this latest report, then yes I would take the 20g scoring, fast, power forward LW in exchange for Fleury as opposed to a draft pick and then trying to sign a mediocre free agent to a bad contract.

It's only one year left on his deal. Let Sullivan work his magic.

I have no idea how Buffalo feels about Lehner though. From the outsiders perspective, if Buffalo is getting serious and talking names like Stamkos -- they need better than the inconsistent and oft-injured Lehner.

See that doesn't bother me at all, having grown up in Latrobe I've had the pleasure(if you can call it that) of getting to be around many of the Steelers players and coaches and got to see first hand just how despicable some of them really are but I'm still gonna root for them to succeed while they're on my team. I consider Bill Cowher to be one of the biggest pieces of human waste in the world but I still rooted for the Steelers to win while he was the coach.
- jaydogg1974

I hated Ray Lewis as much as anyone would expect. But at the end of the day, if he were a Steeler, I would have been cheering and watching him destroy people on Sunday afternoon. #sports

Playing a shutdown role on a loaded team like Kitchener as a 17 year old is an accomplishment in itself. And he scored 5 points in 9 games in the playoffs.

He's never going to be Paul Coffey. But it sounds like he can be Ian Cole.

Playing a shutdown role on a loaded team like Kitchener as a 17 year old is an accomplishment in itself. And he scored 5 points in 9 games in the playoffs.

He's never going to be Paul Coffey. But it sounds like he can be Ian Cole.
- hardnosed

His ceiling is Ian Cole?

I was reading in the Trib today about Ruth letting his staff talk him into taking the tender when he wanted a D. I guess this goalie was supposed to be the best in the draft.

Anyway... Just thought that was interesting when you compare how Ray insisted on taking Joe Morrow while his staff was pounding the table telling him to take Saad.

This week I would try to deal kuni for yak. Edm could use a 3 time cup winner and leader in kuni to help all those young kids. clears cap and gets a skilled winger.
Wilson Sid Horn
Rust Geno Yak
HBK
Sheary Fehr Kuhn
Sunds
- nh4442

Why would Edmonton trade Yuk for Kunitz? If I were them, a second or third round pick would be more suitable than one year of Kunitz. Keep in mind, I don't want to see Yuk here, but ... a pick is more valuable than Kunitz for one.

I knew you would hate this. lol. I dunno, I still think Evander is a turd but he's not a criminal like Patrick, imo. At least not yet. If his value has dropped far enough from this latest report, then yes I would take the 20g scoring, fast, power forward LW in exchange for Fleury as opposed to a draft pick and then trying to sign a mediocre free agent to a bad contract.

It's only one year left on his deal. Let Sullivan work his magic.

I have no idea how Buffalo feels about Lehner though. From the outsiders perspective, if Buffalo is getting serious and talking names like Stamkos -- they need better than the inconsistent and oft-injured Lehner.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm not comfortable trading anything for a guy of his mental makeup. He is a very talented kid and could be so much better if he stopped the foolishness. However, he is a ticking time bomb. Harassing two women can turn into Patrick Kane type stuff in a hurry. His mental makeup or maturity is off by quite a bit. It's not like that is the only blip on his resume.

I was reading in the Trib today about Ruth letting his staff talk him into taking the tender when he wanted a D. I guess this goalie was supposed to be the best in the draft.

Anyway... Just thought that was interesting when you compare how Ray insisted on taking Joe Morrow while his staff was pounding the table telling him to take Saad.
- madmike71

Yes, that Shero idea turned out well for us. That D man he wanted, slid down the thoughts of our organization so much that he turned into a washed up rental with the same last name.

Playing a shutdown role on a loaded team like Kitchener as a 17 year old is an accomplishment in itself. And he scored 5 points in 9 games in the playoffs.

He's never going to be Paul Coffey. But it sounds like he can be Ian Cole.
- hardnosed

Not every Dman is going to be a PMD with offensive flair. You need those other guys to cover for their partners when they move to a more offensive role. As long as these guys that aren't point producers are hard-nosed, stay at home Dmen that are positional sound, I'm fine with it.

His ceiling is Ian Cole?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Nothing wrong with getting a bottom pairing defenseman in the third round if that's what Hall turns out to be.

His ceiling is Ian Cole?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Cole played very well after he was takin off the first D pair with Letang. Pens don't win the Cup without him. I'm fine with the pick.

Cole played very well after he was takin off the first D pair with Letang. Pens don't win the Cup without him. I'm fine with the pick.
- Mino42

Also nothing wrong with not being a top pairing Dman, who looked like poop next to a Norris Caliber Dman.

Also nothing wrong with not being a top pairing Dman, who looked like poop next to a Norris Caliber Dman.
- Guile

Yeah he looked lost at times almost like he was trying to make plays that weren't there. I'm still a Cole fan and they need guys like him to allow the other Dman to just into the play. Hope this kid can do the same.

Yeah he looked lost at times almost like he was trying to make plays that weren't there. I'm still a Cole fan and they need guys like him to allow the other Dman to just into the play. Hope this kid can do the same.
- Mino42

His ceiling is the mid pairing... but I think we almost lost a near year with him after the Letang and then Scuderi start to his season

Why would Edmonton trade Yuk for Kunitz? If I were them, a second or third round pick would be more suitable than one year of Kunitz. Keep in mind, I don't want to see Yuk here, but ... a pick is more valuable than Kunitz for one.
- Oneonta Penguin

I agree, I'm just trying to think of a leadership role where kuni could go and we would get something back.

So trade kuni to a cap floor team for a 3rd and flip that 3rd for yak.

I agree, I'm just trying to think of a leadership role where kuni could go and we would get something back.

So trade kuni to a cap floor team for a 3rd and flip that 3rd for yak.
- nh4442

Unless we have a legit back up plan at LW, Kunitz shouldn't be trade. Yakupov is a RW.

I agree, I'm just trying to think of a leadership role where kuni could go and we would get something back.

So trade kuni to a cap floor team for a 3rd and flip that 3rd for yak.
- nh4442

The time to trade a pick for Yakupov was two days ago. I don't see much motive for EDM to move Yak for a 2017 3rd rounder. Edmonton is stacked at RW, and Pittsburgh's org depth there took a hit with the Sprong injury and Beau trade.

Frankly, I don't know what Pit and Edm could work out for Yak.

I do know that they wouldn't want Kunitz. Kunitz would have to go to a team like the Ducks or Florida, imo, if we wanted to trade him as mostly a cap dump.

Unless we have a legit back up plan at LW, Kunitz shouldn't be trade. Yakupov is a RW.
- Victoro311

know a player that is LW? JIMMY (frank)ING VESEY!