Where do you get that "plus $2.5M" number?
- blackhawk24

After adding in Lundberg, Schmaltz and a couple others, my math says they have about $6.5m for three more forwards and 7th Dman

Yikes, I dunno, Al.

Maybe if the team had no other glaring needs.

I just don't think they need another d-man nearly as much as they do a LW. Campbell is a nice to have. 1LW is a got to have.

And I don't think they can spend $7 million right now without losing someone else's salary.
- John Jaeckel

I think the way things are with the cap, they'd be better off viewing Panarin and Panik as the 2 top 6 LWs, and trying to fill in the 3 spots on the 3rd line instead.

IMO the top 6 is set with:

Panarin-AA-Kane
Panik-Toews-Hossa

4th line would be nice with Desi, Kruger, and Moose/Lundberg/Hartman/Motte

Gotta find some 3rd line scoring IMO, and for as cheap as possible. I think we can expect Schmaltz to maybe take one of those spots, but the other 2 are big question marks.

I think if we go after a true 1LW there won't be any way to make things fit with the extra 3rd liners needed and an extra defenseman(maybe Campbell).

Like I said earlier Al, I have to see Campbell leave one dime on the table before I believe it. Guy has been over paid for a long, long time.
- Mr Ricochet

He can afford to do it and if he doesn't do it he won't be a Hawk. Can't afford him otherwise.

Like I said earlier Al, I have to see Campbell leave one dime on the table before I believe it. Guy has been over paid for a long, long time.
- Mr Ricochet

Could just be professional courtesy too. Late in your career, best not to burn any bridges.

Recent example - Stamkos

Interesting per McKenzie verified Twitter:

Also, something to watch for, and we're seeing it already with new deals being signed, 2020-21 season is a potential lockout/strike season.

Many long-term extensions will have lower salary and higher signing bonus, or just lower salary, in potential lockout/strike year.

NHL can file on Sept. 1, 2019, to terminate CBA on Sept. 15, 2020. If NHL doesn't, NHLPA can file on Sept. 15, 2019, for 2020 termination.

Except to Campbell, Niemi is a goalie he played in front of to win a cup before. If how Nashville players thought of Rinne this past year is any indication, Campbell probably doesn't have a low opinion of Niemi. Last year was Niemi's first sub-league average year, too, so it could be an outlier. Better defense in front of him and he'd probably go back up. Lehtonen is the one with back to back terrible seasons.

There's also the draw of Sharp, who Campbell is friends with and was able to talk Oduya into signing with Dallas.
- L_B_R

Nemo is as good as the defence in front of him. Solid in '10, great in the WCF. However that was with the 'Hawks defence in front of him.

Soupy going to DAL is a nice move for them but it nowhere near makes DAL a formitable defence. CC on the other hand is a much better goalie, bailed out his team when they went flat and can put up Veniza finalist numbers.

Soupy would be a finishing touch on a 'Hawks defence this season, as good as many of the teams making deep playoff runs.

Panarin-Toews-Kane
Panik-AA-Hossa
- HawksHype

That just shifts scoring from one line to another. Doesn't really solve anything.

He can afford to do it and if he doesn't do it he won't be a Hawk. Can't afford him otherwise.
- Marlowe

He can be a linchpin in a 'Hawks defence, or he can be a decent defenceman in an overall defence that will at times resemble a sieve. His choice. He knows the 'Hawks situation. He knows a lot of players and already won here. Hope he "chooses wisely".

He can afford to do it and if he doesn't do it he won't be a Hawk. Can't afford him otherwise.
- Marlowe

Dallas lost Goligoski, quite possibly Russell and will probably lose Demers at 12:15 Friday. Dallas is looking at Klingenberg and Oduya as a 1st pairing in front of what was a horrid goaltending duo last year.

They'll give Campbell the extra 25 bucks he needs to justify going to an up tempo fun club with a defense that will see him get important minutes.

Still can't believe Nashville got Subban...Weber had the busted knee in 2015 and will be 31....PK will torment the Hawks for the next decade....

JJ- love your insight. This is an honest question not trying to be an a-hole. I see the glaring hole at wing like everyone but is it really worse than the years of a glaring hole at 2 center? Why not move Panarin with 19 and then let Kane be Kane. He has produced with no center and average wings on his line most of career. He has a center to get puck then get in front and rotate the lw until something sticks. Of course it would be great to have a "real top 6" but we have always had holes now it is lw instead of center.
- lunchbox2111

Panarin actually did not perform all that well when with Toews-Hossa's line. Small sample size (less than 100 minutes), but his several key stats dipped a decent amount (shots on goal rates, scoring chance rate, possession, primary pass rate, etc). He got similar OZS and QOC with them as he did with Anisimov-Kane, so there was something else at work that's hard to determine.

Panarin-Toews-Kane had almost identical underlying numbers as Panarin-AA-Kane, but the Hossa addition was just off somehow. It's totally possible they would work out the kinks over more time, but Toews-Hossa as a combo did not adapt well to wingers that were not in the Saad/Sharp modes of play (and Sharp did adjust his play with them vs say Kane). Saad-Toews-Kane wasn't as productive as you'd think either when together (granted, they had a sub-30% OZS), but Saad-Richards-Kane was solid.

It'd be interesting to see Panarin with Toews-Hossa more, though I understood why Q didn't go that route last season.

He can be a linchpin in a 'Hawks defence, or he can be a decent defenceman in an overall defence that will at times resemble a sieve. His choice. He knows the 'Hawks situation. He knows a lot of players and already won here. Hope he "chooses wisely".
- blackhawk24

Geez Al, do they have 3 mil to give him?
- 6628

I was thinking no but if he is adamant about only 1 year, I would think it will be close.

First of all, all indications are Vesey plays out east with either Boston or Buffalo. Plus he can't be signed before Aug 15th which means if the Hawks pin their hopes on him and then don't get him all the other options will probably be picked over by then.

Second, Shipachyov is not a guarantee to be a good player in the NHL. Unlike Panarin, Ship is a finesse player who may not adjust to the NHL style of play very quickly, if ever. Added to that is the talk on the street that Montreal was his preferred destination so even if he comes over, there's nothing I've seen that he would consider signing with the Hawks, especially if money is an issue which it probably is.

Third, with cap hits and retained and buried and overage - the Hawks salary cap is at $66.6M which is for 9 forwards, 6 d-man and the 2 goalies. That leaves $6.4M for 6 players (5 if they go with a 22 man roster). If they give Campbell or a top-6 LW anything over $2M, the rest of the roster will need to be filled by players making less than $1M.

I know JJ and lots of others have prioritized top-6 LW, but I think it's more important to solidify the d-corps with Campbell than it is to acquire a LW for the type of cap space they have remaining. In other words, Campbell at $2M will benefit the team more than a LW they can get for $2M. Additionally, Campbell has supposedly stated he would take a 1-year deal which is important to minimize the contracts carrying over to 2017/18 when Panarin's new contract will begin.

Just heard this:

"Campbell and Hawks getting closer. Not done yet. Both sides working to find common ground. Dallas offering more... for now."
- John Jaeckel

Nill isnt dumb. Dallas needs D help in their own right but he is also driving up the price on Chicago so he doesnt walk to Chicago for the price of a song

If dallas is offering $3-4 mil per and stan is over there grinning with a $1.0 mil contract offer you better believe campbell is thinking twice about what his top choice is

Could just be professional courtesy too. Late in your career, best not to burn any bridges.

Recent example - Stamkos
- Return of the Roar

You seem to be kinda up on this kinda stuff. Didn't Campbell say something along the lines of "it's nice not to have to walk on eggshells" when he got to Florida speaking of his time with the Hawks?

Another Q has found a way to alienate?

Dallas lost Goligoski, quite possibly Russell and will probably lose Demers at 12:15 Friday. Dallas is looking at Klingenberg and Oduya as a 1st pairing in front of what was a horrid goaltending duo last year.

They'll give Campbell the extra 25 bucks he needs to justify going to an up tempo fun club with a defense that will see him get important minutes.
- Mr Ricochet

Unles Dallas can deal a goalie and not eat a lot of the salary they are in tall cotton.

Nemo is as good as the defence in front of him. Solid in '10, great in the WCF. However that was with the 'Hawks defence in front of him.

Soupy going to DAL is a nice move for them but it nowhere near makes DAL a formitable defence. CC on the other hand is a much better goalie, bailed out his team when they went flat and can put up Veniza finalist numbers.

Soupy would be a finishing touch on a 'Hawks defence this season, as good as many of the teams making deep playoff runs.
- blackhawk24

Oh, I agree with you, in every way Crawford being behind him is better and the D setup is currently more promising in Chicago. I just don't think it's as easy a sell with the goalies to a guy who had played and won with Niemi (who has also put up Vezina numbers before). It'll take pitching the situation as better to compensate for taking less money and sometimes money is hard to pass up, even when you've made a lot.

Hawks would have more scoring touch from their defense if Q would just stop pairing Keith-Hjammer. Keith is too important to the Hawks offense/transition style for him to be in a more shutdown role. His carry-in numbers took a hit this year because he was dumping the puck in more due to his role changing a bit.

First of all, all indications are Vesey plays out east with either Boston or Buffalo. Plus he can't be signed before Aug 15th which means if the Hawks pin their hopes on him and then don't get him all the other options will probably be picked over by then.

Second, Shipachyov is not a guarantee to be a good player in the NHL. Unlike Panarin, Ship is a finesse player who may not adjust to the NHL style of play very quickly, if ever. Added to that is the talk on the street that Montreal was his preferred destination so even if he comes over, there's nothing I've seen that he would consider signing with the Hawks, especially if money is an issue which it probably is.

Third, with cap hits and retained and buried and overage - the Hawks salary cap is at $66.6M which is for 9 forwards, 6 d-man and the 2 goalies. That leaves $6.4M for 6 players (5 if they go with a 22 man roster). If they give Campbell or a top-6 LW anything over $2M, the rest of the roster will need to be filled by players making less than $1M.

I know JJ and lots of others have prioritized top-6 LW, but I think it's more important to solidify the d-corps with Campbell than it is to acquire a LW for the type of cap space they have remaining. In other words, Campbell at $2M will benefit the team more than a LW they can get for $2M. Additionally, Campbell has supposedly stated he would take a 1-year deal which is important to minimize the contracts carrying over to 2017/18 when Panarin's new contract will begin.
- EbonyRaptor

Exactly 100% right.

Nill isnt dumb. Dallas needs D help in their own right but he is also driving up the price on Chicago so he doesnt walk to Chicago for the price of a song

If dallas is offering $3-4 mil per and stan is over there grinning with a $1.0 mil contract offer you better believe campbell is thinking twice about what his top choice is
- FourFeathers773

Klingenberg-Oduya
Benn-Johns
Nemeth-Oleksiak

Only a few need Dmen more than Dallas.

You seem to be kinda up on this kinda stuff. Didn't Campbell say something along the lines of "it's nice not to have to walk on eggshells" when he got to Florida speaking of his time with the Hawks?

Another Q has found a way to alienate?
- Mr Ricochet

Could be, but time heals wounds, he has made his money, and may just want another shot to win again before his skills leave him. Much easier to do with the devil you know than the one you don't.

I am also thinking his minutes would be tougher in Dallas with what is a very depleted D corps.

You seem to be kinda up on this kinda stuff. Didn't Campbell say something along the lines of "it's nice not to have to walk on eggshells" when he got to Florida speaking of his time with the Hawks?

Another Q has found a way to alienate?
- Mr Ricochet

Now that you mention it I remember the eggshells line. If he doesn't want to get jerQued around I wouldn't blame him.

Could be, but time heals wounds, he has made his money, and may just want another shot to win again before his skills leave him. Much easier to do with the devil you know than the one you don't.

I am also thinking his minutes would be tougher in Dallas with what is a very depleted D corps.
- Return of the Roar

Grass is also greener on the other side of the fence.......... There is no way that the Hawks aren't a better destination for Campbell than Dallas. As you mention he gets much easier minutes, knows the city, a world class city, has a home here, wife comes from here, he knows a few of the core and the Hawks are a better team.

But I think this guy will go where the money is. I think as little as 500k or 1 mil will sway him to go to the confederecy.

Grass is also greener on the other side of the fence.......... There is no way that the Hawks aren't a better destination for Campbell than Dallas. As you mention he gets much easier minutes, knows the city, a world class city, has a home here, wife comes from here, he knows a few of the core and the Hawks are a better team.

But I think this guy will go where the money is. I think as little as 500k or 1 mil will sway him to go to the confederecy.
- Mr Ricochet

I am pretty confident he ends up here. We should know Friday.

Warning - don't call Texans Confederates. They are Texans, and firmly believe they are their own sovereign nation.

Grass is also greener on the other side of the fence.......... There is no way that the Hawks aren't a better destination for Campbell than Dallas. As you mention he gets much easier minutes, knows the city, a world class city, has a home here, wife comes from here, he knows a few of the core and the Hawks are a better team.

But I think this guy will go where the money is. I think as little as 500k or 1 mil will sway him to go to the confederecy.
- Mr Ricochet

If that's the case, then why is he doing this kabuki dance? He certainly knows the Hawks salary cap limitations. If his top priority is salary, then he could almost certainly get more from a dozen of more teams than the Hawks can afford.