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#MapleLeafs would have had to pay Stamkos $12.37M AAV ovr 7 yrs to NET same(after taxes)as TB $8.5M over 8 yrs. #NHL
- Marlowe

Yeah, I posted the article above where it goes into more depth, like situation for payout in NY and Detroit.

Severson finished the season in the AHL.....Hardly a wise hockey move. Never replace Seabrook's talent. Net negative.

Pass.
- Return of the Roar

Me too. Just making a joke that plays on the Hawks love of Swedish Dmen.

EDIT: and am incredibly bored and Hawks news starved.

Yeah, I posted the article above where it goes into more depth, like situation for payout in NY and Detroit.
- L_B_R

Thanks L_B_R! Love being the beneficiary of your love for data!

Most of us live in IL, and we all know the income tax is 3.75%. Nice try.
- tyweb69

Fixed it. Yeah FL and TX have it made for income tax. Now look at CA for highest earners: 13%

Sure in most cases players are taxed where they play. But just consider now a $6M player with TB, Fla or Dal. Then compare to SJ, Ana and LA. Take just the 41 home games these guys play.

Sure there are deductibles at the federal level for St taxes, but still there is a notable difference.

Severson finished the season in the AHL.....Hardly a wise hockey move. Never replace Seabrook's talent. Net negative.

Pass.
- Return of the Roar

Gustafsson for Severson.

No offense JJ, but no one rode Saad harder than you the first year he played. I have faith that between Hartman, Schmaltz, Motte and Vinny...someone one or two will step up. They just need to play.
- onehundredlevel

First 25 games or so I did. None of these guys are Saad.

Nice. What's your guess, $2.5M?
- blackhawk24

Got a feeling, the way this has gone, it'll be above the $1 mil. per ceiling I imagined—which was based on what I'd heard.

Got to disagree by adding Tyler Motte to that equation and I'm not dreaming. I watched a bunch of Michigan games this year and Motte's the real deal. I'd compare him more to a Shaw with better natural scoring instincts. Not saying he'd be ready to immediately step in, but I'd bet he'd bring more production than TT did in his first year.
- walleyeb1

Well could be, but TT came from a pro league in Finland and there is a huge gulf between the NCAAs and the pros, much less the NHL. Ask someone who's played in both.

Like Jim Cummins (ex-Hawk and Michigan State) once said:

"guys play in college like they're ten feet tall with full cages on; you can't get away with the same stuff in the NHL."

Gustafsson for Severson.
- DarthKane

Decent trade for the Hawks, dunno if Devils do it. Gustafsson is better now, Severson will likely be better in the future.

Though I don't know why people are so down on Gus - he had the best debut for a d-man rookie on the Hawks in a while. His first half was solid #4 stats and Gus-Seabrook positively impacted each other. His play dipped at about the same time as the team did as a whole / when he was moved away from Seabrook and he did not really recover, but it was his first year. Still solid 3rd pair guy with some upside signed for almost league minimum.

If Campbell is signed and Kempny is as good as hoped, then he's not a bad option for a trade though. Just as long as Svedberg isn't the $7, blah. I'd rather have Rundblad rotating in.

Nashville just got better and younger IMO.

We'll see what St. Louis loses.

But last year they and Dallas were better than the Hawks and you leave out the fact that mostly all the Hawks have done this offseason is subtract for draft picks and breathing room.
- John Jaeckel

I love the deal for Nashville. The NHL needs to market the crap outta guys like Subban too. Personality on and off the ice, and seems to do a lot of good things for charity. This is one area where McD would not drop the puck if he was the grand pooba.

Bergy seems to want some snarl up there. Can't say I disagree.

Well could be, but TT came from a pro league in Finland and there is a huge gulf between the NCAAs and the pros, much less the NHL. Ask someone who's played in both.

Like Jim Cummins (ex-Hawk and Michigan State) once said:

"guys play in college like they're ten feet tall with full cages on; you can't get away with the same stuff in the NHL."
- John Jaeckel

While i doubt NCAA compares to playing against men, I do think the NCAA has grown and gotten much more competitive since Jim Cummins attended Michigan State.

I smell the intoxicating aroma of Hawk Prospect Hype . . .

Last experienced here in the summer of 2014 when so many were so sure that Teuvo Teravainen, before playing one game on North American ice was going to be the Hawks second line center.

Now we're talking about two kids who've never played a game in the pros are going to fill serious holes on the NHL roster.

And it always comes back to the same argument.

Fans seem afraid of the harder—but more certain route—of going out and making trades to better the team.

Bowman has done the same thing this year he did in 2010. Pawn off established players for draft picks. I guess at least this time, he didn't take anyone's prospect trash. So there's that.

"The Kids," with all their promises and junior and minor league stats, and "youtubes" become the safer, easier answer. Their upside is seemingly limitless. And . . . they're . . . ours . . . no risk . . . no cost.

Caveat emptor.

While i doubt NCAA compares to playing against men, I do think the NCAA has grown and gotten much more competitive since Jim Cummins attended Michigan State.
- BearsnHawks

Why? Hasn't the NHL just as much? I don't get your point.

Important newsflash: there are no Saads, Shaws or even TT's left in the Hawks system. Maybe Schmaltz is a different and in some ways better version of TT some day, but after that, you're dreaming.
- John Jaeckel

We don't know that another Shaw won't show up, it's not like anyone here knew what we had in Shaw when he was drafted in the 5th round and started to make an impact at the NHL level not long after (well maybe some people knew).

I don't think it is too unrealistic to hope for another nice surprise or two, maybe not a freak athlete like Saad because I'm sure that player would have been identified by some on this board, but another heart and soul guy with some skill might still come out of the woodwork within the system.

Decent trade for the Hawks, dunno if Devils do it. Gustafsson is better now, Severson will likely be better in the future.

Though I don't know why people are so down on Gus - he had the best debut for a d-man rookie on the Hawks in a while. His first half was solid #4 stats and Gus-Seabrook positively impacted each other. His play dipped at about the same time as the team did as a whole / when he was moved away from Seabrook and he did not really recover, but it was his first year. Still solid 3rd pair guy with some upside signed for almost league minimum.

If Campbell is signed and Kempny is as good as hoped, then he's not a bad option for a trade though. Just as long as Svedberg isn't the $7, blah. I'd rather have Rundblad rotating in.
- L_B_R

I would like the Hawks to bring back Klas Dahlbeck, as long as his contract is under $1 mil AAV. I think he could fit in nicely as a bottom pair defensemen (should at least be better than Svedberg and plays a more defensive game than Gus).

Decent trade for the Hawks, dunno if Devils do it. Gustafsson is better now, Severson will likely be better in the future.

Though I don't know why people are so down on Gus - he had the best debut for a d-man rookie on the Hawks in a while. His first half was solid #4 stats and Gus-Seabrook positively impacted each other. His play dipped at about the same time as the team did as a whole / when he was moved away from Seabrook and he did not really recover, but it was his first year. Still solid 3rd pair guy with some upside signed for almost league minimum.

If Campbell is signed and Kempny is as good as hoped, then he's not a bad option for a trade though. Just as long as Svedberg isn't the $7, blah. I'd rather have Rundblad rotating in.
- L_B_R

For 7D, I would rather have Rozy rotate in ---- at or very near to league minimum. Rozy doesn't have any wheels, but he's positionally solid and clears the biscuit.

Rundblad is a turnover machine. I'd rather see the $50k eaten with him in RFD.

Decent trade for the Hawks, dunno if Devils do it. Gustafsson is better now, Severson will likely be better in the future.

Though I don't know why people are so down on Gus - he had the best debut for a d-man rookie on the Hawks in a while. His first half was solid #4 stats and Gus-Seabrook positively impacted each other. His play dipped at about the same time as the team did as a whole / when he was moved away from Seabrook and he did not really recover, but it was his first year. Still solid 3rd pair guy with some upside signed for almost league minimum.

If Campbell is signed and Kempny is as good as hoped, then he's not a bad option for a trade though. Just as long as Svedberg isn't the $7, blah. I'd rather have Rundblad rotating in.
- L_B_R

Pretty sure, NJ does not do that deal.

Even more:

As Tampa Bay Times analysis in January showed Stamkos could net nearly the same annually after taxes in Tampa Bay at $8.5 million as $10 million in New York (Rangers, Islanders), presuming he’d be a New York City resident (see chart); Stamkos would make more over the length of the deal in Tampa because of the extra year. Stamkos would net just $500,000 less annually than a $10 million deal Detroit, another strong suitor, but, again, more over the length of the deal.

Found here: http://www.tampabay.com/b...amkos-sweepstakes/2283286
- L_B_R

I may be wrong, i just did a calculation of the taxes he would have to pay with an $8.5MM contract in TB and in Toronto:

The difference apples to apples is $203,715 more taxes in Toronto, all due to the provincial tax (the federal tax in Canada is lower than in the US).

The whole (almost) difference in the article is due to the extra year in TB.

Canada / Ontario had a combines HST (sales tax on the consumer) of 13% - I have no idea how this affects the numbers. The total sales tax rate in TB is 7%.

I would like the Hawks to bring back Klas Dahlbeck, as long as his contract is under $1 mil AAV. I think he could fit in nicely as a bottom pair defensemen (should at least be better than Svedberg and plays a more defensive game than Gus).
- BearsnHawks

Sorry BearsnHawks, not trying to pick on you, but Dahlbeck is awful.

For 7D, I would rather have Rozy rotate in ---- at or very near to league minimum. Rozy doesn't have any wheels, but he's positionally solid and clears the biscuit.

Rundblad is a turnover machine. I'd rather see the $50k eaten with him in RFD.
- blackhawk24

Rozy with a walker is a better hockey player than Swedish Bambi.

Would a legit 1LW be nice to have ? Sure. But if the Hawks don't get one mean the 2016/17 is a lost cause? I may be in the minority, but I don't think so. Especially if the Hawks can add Campbell to an arguably improved d-corps.

Keith-Seabrook-Hjalmarsson-Campbell-TvR-Kempny is solid and may end up being one of the top d-corps in the league, and it will be a fair sight better than what the Hawks had when they got booted out of the 1st round 2 months ago.

Granted the Hawks forward lines need some things to go their way, but even there they won't have the Cup hangover shortened off season so Toews and Hossa should have better seasons than they did last year.

All is not lost.
- EbonyRaptor

Not trying to bite on you but why does everyone keep saying we need a 1LW? We have one his name is Panarin and he was top 10 in scoring this year. We need a competent 2LW who can score say 20 goals. You can say 72 plays on the 2nd line but face it he's a 1LW and will get paid like one. We need a legit 2LW.

Rozy with a walker is a better hockey player than Swedish Bambi.
- John Jaeckel

So let's assume Campbell is in at $2m/1yr. What does your gut say is the next move for the Hawks JJ? Or better yet what would you propose while keeping the door open for a Panarin extension?

We don't know that another Shaw won't show up, it's not like anyone here knew what we had in Shaw when he was drafted in the 5th round and started to make an impact at the NHL level not long after (well maybe some people knew).

I don't think it is too unrealistic to hope for another nice surprise or two, maybe not a freak athlete like Saad because I'm sure that player would have been identified by some on this board, but another heart and soul guy with some skill might still come out of the woodwork within the system.
- LaheysBRandy

Who's your candidate?

I will grant you, Ryan Hartman can be sort of that kind of player.

But he probably is not going to have the impact Shaw does.

How long is the Cup window open? 2-3 more years?

Who's the first line left wing in the system that fills the role within the window. Answer: 99.9% likely, no one.

The Hawks have a couple of defense prospects who may turn into . . . something? Svedberg due to his size and some occasional flashes. But he has some flaws. Forsling? But he has more questions than answers at this point.

Motte and Schmaltz look like they can be solid two-way forwards. But when? This year? Odds are, not happening this year.

Where is the 1LW, where are the wings you need on the third line this year? You're gonna give 4 rookies on the job training this year? Good luck with that? And we know how Q loves Stanley giving him learners.

I think we need to kinda get real here.

I love the deal for Nashville. The NHL needs to market the crap outta guys like Subban too. Personality on and off the ice, and seems to do a lot of good things for charity. This is one area where McD would not drop the puck if he was the grand pooba.

Bergy seems to want some snarl up there. Can't say I disagree.
- howiehandles

Gallagher, Shaw, Weber, possibly Weise and or Ladd? MB is really going for some size and grit. Something the Hawks can use a bit of also

Rozy with a walker is a better hockey player than Swedish Bambi.
- John Jaeckel

Just so that walker has blades on the front. Many games this past season I saw him play at UC; and got his 12-14 min TOI. And for a guy his age, a guy coming off that horrific ankle injury last May, I gotta say he was pretty solid.