According to the Oilers blog writer.. you dont trade a Taylor Hall! And that is coming from the same team the traded that guy that wore #99. Man what was that guys name??
- z1990z

That's funny. Good point!

Any rumblings on Brouwer's camp and his asking price? Was really impressed with his playoff and could definitely find a place in our lineup in the Top 6.
- nickmo2699

I think he bumped heads with Q a lot and wanted out of Chicago. If I remember correctly.

The way value is determined it is by recent comparable contracts of similar players, but what players have accomplished and what they are projected to accomplish is part of the mix.

If you agree Getzlaf/Perry are a comparable duo as far as importance to their team then you shouldn't have much issue with the $$$ Kane/Toews received-Age which is often overlooked when comparing players on this thread-Is also a big factor and the Hawks duo is younger.
- Al

I totally agree, AL.

So tired of the Kane toews Seabrook talk that they should have be offered and taken small dollar amounts...unfortunately you don't have to look far around the NHL to see so many of these guys up for contract haven't won squat and they ask and get outrageous. We thought when Tallon screwed the RFA paperwork up on those three hawk contracts (late so he quietly paid MORE that the 10% qualifier)... well the very THOUGHT that the Bruins (one of the most fiscally responsible organization,cough, jeremy jacobs cheap) are deciding if they want to poah Trouba from the Jets... GM Don Sweeney is preparing an offer sheet for Winnipeg Jets defenseman Jacob Trouba. The offer would reportedly total a minimum of $47 million, with the aim of signing Trouba to a deal that the Jets can’t afford to match. “Because they sent their 2017 third round pick to the Flyers for Zac Rinaldo and their 2017 second round pick to New Jersey for Lee Stempniak, the Bruins must put together an offer sheet with an average annual value (AAV) of at least $9.3 million that will require Boston to give up four consecutive first round picks as compensation.”
Spector: A $9.3 million per season offer sheet could indeed be more than the Jets are willing to match, but it’s also a huge risk for the Bruins. Trouba has undeniable potential to become a top-two defenseman, but he’s struggled through injury and inconsistency the last two seasons. Inking him to a $9.3 million per season deal could prove a costly mistake if he fails to progress as expected. Not to mention giving up four first-round draft picks could significantly hurt the Bruins rebuilding efforts.
This isn't some fabricated story, it is CSN New England reporting.

so i like Jacob Trouba but these like so many of these available commodities rumored in the trade market are not like any of the winners the Chicago franchise has rewarded for winning.
That is what you do...when true elite guys are up for contract.

Not that I don't expect the franchise re-tools and loses a big contract during the next couple years, but unfortunately you can't over-reward the guys in your mid-line-up either.

Need.... A......new...blog....I'm..dying..

He was 2C much of 2012. I wouldn't fret it from an endurance/conditioning standpoint. Kruger is a warrior. The more legit worry is does his skill level/game acclimate to playing with elite scorers. I think it could. Others may differ, and I respect their opinion.
- John Jaeckel

Curious, who was he playing with besides Kane on the 2nd line in 2012. I can't remember, I assume you're talking about the 2011/12 season, correct? He had 9G and 17A that season.

Any rumblings on Brouwer's camp and his asking price? Was really impressed with his playoff and could definitely find a place in our lineup in the Top 6.
- nickmo2699

Since Brouwer was shipped out on that re-donk-ulous trade he has 18, 19, 25, 21 and 18 goal seasons. Just how was it again we did not need him?
From the above post, head banging with Q? Shocker. Brouwer on that top line against the Blues?

Wasnt it Brouwer that shwacked Phaneuf in that '09 series against the Flames? To the point that Phaneuf never played in that series again.

You'll get a new blog when I get some new rumors.
- John Jaeckel

Don't you normally do a post draft blog analyzing the picks the Hawks made and passed on?

I just think the labeling of Kruger as strictly a 4C is inaccurate. And really wildly so.

The fact is, the Hawks have had the luxury really of two "3rd" lines for a couple of years. maybe not as much last year. Kruger can definitely play the role of a classic, third line shutdown center. Remember, Rico, traditionally, fourth lines have just been energy/checking lines. Kruger is more than that kind of player (think: Jack Skille, Adam Burish, or even say a Vernon Fiddler, or a Nate Thompson). How much more? I don't know. I would like to see what he can do in more of a third line ("two-way") role with a couple of skilled wingers for a year.

Pahlsson was a third liner. A classic shutdown center. His game was REALLY a lot like Kruger's. At least as far as Kruger's has been thus far in his career. I personally think he can score more. But it depends on the ask of him and the wingers he's with.
- John Jaeckel

and before somebody says they had a big young defenseman in Hamilton, whom they let go to Calgary...

Hamilton was on the Bruins to develop him, and when they needed him to step into the injured Chara's shoes, he was unable...so the Bruins weren't gonna pay based on that.

Trouba on the other flat lined based on the fact he was asked to move to the left side for almost half the year to help acclimate the over rated Tyler Myers

Hamilton is to me a big finesse defender with a high offensive upside, but is far from being a potential Doughty-horse in his own end, if ever. (No one will ever accuse me of NOT having strong opinions on these youngsters)

I think Trouba has a lot better much better in close space, along the wall and can't be under-valued before Hamilton based on Hamilton offensemen status...

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Kruger can play that 3rd line spot easily, we saw how he was able to generate with better players surrounding him.
You HAVE to move him back to the 4th during the playoffs to give him the breathers to be on your mainstay PK.

You have to think there is some sweet heart deal for a veteran centre-forward that gets done before August is over.

and before somebody says they had a big young defenseman in Hamilton, whom they let go to Calgary...

Hamilton was on the Bruins to develop him, and when they needed him to step into the injured Chara's shoes, he was unable...so the Bruins weren't gonna pay based on that.

Trouba on the other flat lined based on the fact he was asked to move to the left side for almost half the year to help acclimate the over rated Tyler Myers

Hamilton is to me a big finesse defender with a high offensive upside, but is far from being a potential Doughty-horse in his own end, if ever. (No one will ever accuse me of NOT having strong opinions on these youngsters)

I think Trouba has a lot better much better in close space, along the wall and can't be under-valued before Hamilton based on Hamilton offensemen status..
- wiz1901

Wiz what is your view on Kempny?

Funny thing that Dale Tallon was "moved" for a error on three contracts, which cost the Hawks maybe three million bucks. That is rounding dollars on the 7, 19, 88 contracts. How fast everything changes...

The way value is determined it is by recent comparable contracts of similar players, but what players have accomplished and what they are projected to accomplish is part of the mix.

If you agree Getzlaf/Perry are a comparable duo as far as importance to their team then you shouldn't have much issue with the $$$ Kane/Toews received-Age which is often overlooked when comparing players on this thread-Is also a big factor and the Hawks duo is younger.
- Al

Absolutely I am fine with the K/T contracts (though I'd be better with the same 9.5, who wouldn't be?). But they were younger than Seabrook and still have many prime years ahead of them. They will earn their contracts for sure I just don't think Seabrook will. I could be wrong and hope that I am because nothing would make me happier than to see 7 kill it for the next 8 seasons.

Can someone enlighten me as to how signing bonuses work? Been a bit of a mystery for me.

Use Kane as an example:

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/498

His Cap Hit is $10.5, which is the $84m / 8 years. That's easy. But there is also $44m in signing bonuses. Is that on TOP of his salary? If so, isn't he making $128m over 8 years?

Thanks for any insight.........

Just wondering why contracts in the NHL can not be restructured? Are the players against it the owners or both? Wouldn't it solve some cap problems for both sides because it would provide some flexibility?

Can someone enlighten me as to how signing bonuses work? Been a bit of a mystery for me.

Use Kane as an example:

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/498

His Cap Hit is $10.5, which is the $84m / 8 years. That's easy. But there is also $44m in signing bonuses. Is that on TOP of his salary? If so, isn't he making $128m over 8 years?

Thanks for any insight.........
- ItHossaGood

I am not well versed in that either but he gets 84M, not 128M. I think the signing bonus is a) up front each year he gets it and not paid over the season so that b) it's guaranteed whether there is a lockout/cancelled season or not. Someone else I am sure can better explain it. Signing bonuses and cap recapture are both complex to me.

Since Brouwer was shipped out on that re-donk-ulous trade he has 18, 19, 25, 21 and 18 goal seasons. Just how was it again we did not need him?
From the above post, head banging with Q? Shocker. Brouwer on that top line against the Blues?

Wasnt it Brouwer that shwacked Phaneuf in that '09 series against the Flames? To the point that Phaneuf never played in that series again.
- z1990z

Brouwer's teams didn't go anywhere during all those nice seasons he had. The Hawks won two more Cups and made another Conference Final. They didn't need him. The end.

Just wondering why contracts in the NHL can not be restructured? Are the players against it the owners or both? Wouldn't it solve some cap problems for both sides because it would provide some flexibility?
- jhawk159

I think both but mostly the players are against it. The hard cap is a killer for this league. The ONLY bright side is we don't have players holding out for better contracts because they feel they are underpaid.

Curious, who was he playing with besides Kane on the 2nd line in 2012. I can't remember, I assume you're talking about the 2011/12 season, correct? He had 9G and 17A that season.
- walleyeb1

Kane was with Toews mostly, Hossa was with Kruger, don't recall who the LW was.

Don't you normally do a post draft blog analyzing the picks the Hawks made and passed on?


- gifman

No, actually, I typical haven't

The silence is deafening.

Stan either has something earth shattering he's working on and wants nothing to get out about it all or he has regressed back to the deer in headlights ........ both options scare me

Wiz what is your view on Kempny?
- z1990z

He was decent in the World's but I think this World Cup will give us a better barometer, since the players in it will be better.

So I dunno.

The silence is deafening.

Stan either has something earth shattering he's working on and wants nothing to get out about it all or he has regressed back to the deer in headlights ........ both options scare me
- furso27

Until June 1st no one can do anything...

The silence is deafening.

Stan either has something earth shattering he's working on and wants nothing to get out about it all or he has regressed back to the deer in headlights ........ both options scare me
- furso27

Powers reporting that Hawks have reached out to Weise's agent. Agent acknowledges Hawks may not have the cap space.

Brouwer's teams didn't go anywhere during all those nice seasons he had. The Hawks won two more Cups and made another Conference Final. They didn't need him. The end.
- Hawks_49

Well, same can be said of a LOT of very good players in the history of the NHL.

I am not sure how much there was/is to a rift with Q. He was dealt primarily because of the cap and upcoming UFA for him.

Fact is, he has improved overall as a player since he left Chicago. Still a 20G/200H guy but also now 55%+ in the dot, and has upped his nasty.

He is actually a LOT like Shaw in many ways, but quite frankly, I would take Brouwer over Shaw straight up. Because his stupid factor is not as high, and he is more of a physical presence in the playoffs. Brouwer's hits destroy people. And he can play LW with skilled players, which Shaw really can't.

JJ, maybe I am reading into this too much, but isn't a TVR for John Moore trade not the best thing for the defense? I only ask this because then we would only have one RHD. RHD are a hot commodity these days.

For the record, I am not opposed to this deal at all. I think Moore would be good with Chicago.