Keith-Seabrook
Hammer-Campbell
TVR-Kempny

Crawford
Darling

No rookies, and guys who can shoot, pass, and skate out.

Can't really identify another team with a backline deeper than that.

We don't need a goalie, and we like Seabrooke, but not his contract.


So no.
- Jeropotato

Thank you for your input Mr. Chiarelli

I don't quite get the push to get rid of AA, 42pts out of a 2nd line center isn't bad. Besides that he was always in front of the net blinding goalies. Seems like teams had a hard time moving him out of the crease. Have to wonder how many goals were scored where he didn't get any credit but his presence in front of the goalie played a big role.
- walleyeb1

42 pts was pretty much low end for a 2C in the NHL last year and he was playing on one of (if not the best) line in the league in terms of offensive production. He did his job but not without some drawbacks (shaky on the PK, weak at the dot). In an ideal world, he is a nice guy to have, but his role is probably more easily replaced for cheaper than a lot of others on the team. If the Hawks have to trim $$$, it has to come from somewhere.

I don't quite get the push to get rid of AA, 42pts out of a 2nd line center isn't bad. Besides that he was always in front of the net blinding goalies. Seems like teams had a hard time moving him out of the crease. Have to wonder how many goals were scored where he didn't get any credit but his presence in front of the goalie played a big role.
- walleyeb1

My guess is he was screening the goalie on at least half of 98 + 72's goals. Basically anything that wasn't a breakaway, or those two playing telepathic tic tac toe, probably had AA at the net. I understand people wanting to move him for money reasons but he really did compliment those two perfectly

My guess is he was screening the goalie on at least half of 98 + 72's goals. Basically anything that wasn't a breakaway, or those two playing telepathic tic tac toe, probably had AA at the net. I understand people wanting to move him for money reasons but he really did compliment those two perfectly
- maria_wyeth

Then there is that speak Russian thing....

Frenchy,
Just posted Campbell is pretty much a done deal, IF Bowman could convince a kid like Jamie McGinn to come to Chicago ,selling him on the fact that he could possibly seize the opportunity to play with 19 ,that is if Q don't J ag him o ff, and Brian Campbell signed, I'd be happy with those 2, then if there is any room left, you go dumpster divin for the UnQualified guys like Percy or????. I'm coming to grips that Brouwer, Lucic, Ladd are forbidden territory. But McGinn is the key.
Then I would really like it if Hartman and McNeill both forced the issue and also made the team, I think then we have a nice blend. Q would then have to for a change be forced to lighten up and coach instead of just calling out lines to hop over the boards.
- wonthecup10

I like McGinn for sure for the right price... Him and Campbell would be great additions. I think we are on the same page on the other guys likely being pipe dreams. What do you think it takes to get a guy like McGinn? Wasn't he looking in the $4 mil + range?

Thank you for your input Mr. Chiarelli

- EnzoD

You're welcome.

Why does anyone assume we would have interest in CC?

Keith-Seabrook
Hammer-Campbell
TVR-Kempny

Crawford
Darling

No rookies, and guys who can shoot, pass, and skate out.

Can't really identify another team with a backline deeper than that.
- Return of the Roar

Very solid d parings--- Ducks and Flames have pretty good d pairs too--

Reading on here that Matt Martin looking at 3-4M per year? WOW! Does anyone beside his agent think he will actually get that? If so thats a massive overpay IMO--

With reports that Lucic has a deal in place with Edmonton--- depending what he signs for-- it will likely dictate the market for other 'power' forwards-- those who lose out on Lucic probably looking at Ladd and Brouwer-- making it more difficult for Hawks with little money to spend--

Agreed, but the salary is worth more to the Hawks than anyone else for 2 reasons:
1. The 'Thank You' money for past performance ( worth nothing to anyone else).
2. You didn't give up any extra assets to get him.

I am in no way criticizing the Hawks for paying him that, just stating that other teams interest in paying that salary is somewhat less.
- Jeropotato

Think Seabs 6.8 is worth less to TOR (Phaneuf), NYI (Boychuk), BOS (Chara), DET (Green), WSH (Niskanen), NYR (Staal), COL (Johnson), MN (Suter), WPG (Enstrom) just to name a few of 20 or 30?

Agreed, but the salary is worth more to the Hawks than anyone else for 2 reasons:
1. The 'Thank You' money for past performance ( worth nothing to anyone else).
2. You didn't give up any extra assets to get him.

I am in no way criticizing the Hawks for paying him that, just stating that other teams interest in paying that salary is somewhat less.
- Jeropotato

Compare Seabrook's salary to others and it's pretty much in line.

You're welcome.

Why does anyone assume we would have interest in CC?
- Jeropotato

Bc Hawks fans are desperate to shed cap space. LOL. You are a good poster and probably one of the only Oiler/Leaf fans that isn't a pure troll. I'd just ask you to post saying "I" or IMO, as you have no idea if Chiarelli would actually want Seabrook, Crawford, or anyone. It's an opinion, not a fact.

Very solid d parings--- Ducks and Flames have pretty good d pairs too--

Reading on here that Matt Martin looking at 3-4M per year? WOW! Does anyone beside his agent think he will actually get that? If so thats a massive overpay IMO--

With reports that Lucic has a deal in place with Edmonton--- depending what he signs for-- it will likely dictate the market for other 'power' forwards-- those who lose out on Lucic probably looking at Ladd and Brouwer-- making it more difficult for Hawks with little money to spend--
- jb3333

I have said many times 200 hits and 20 goals is an elite club....All the players you mentioned are considered to be regular members...And there are only a handful each year.

Those boys get paid.

Very solid d parings--- Ducks and Flames have pretty good d pairs too--

Reading on here that Matt Martin looking at 3-4M per year? WOW! Does anyone beside his agent think he will actually get that? If so thats a massive overpay IMO--

With reports that Lucic has a deal in place with Edmonton--- depending what he signs for-- it will likely dictate the market for other 'power' forwards-- those who lose out on Lucic probably looking at Ladd and Brouwer-- making it more difficult for Hawks with little money to spend--
- jb3333

Conversely there is only so much for teams to spend and when they spend it heavily on the Lucic's, Ladd's and Okposo's it means they have less, if any, to pay lesser solid players what they are worth driving them to teams like the Hawks at very reduced rates.

Should be more than a handful of really good bargains after the top and upper middle tier guys take much of the few resources available.

Be a mistake to deal Kruger , he brings a lot of intangibles that are hard to find . He was hurt and had a tough year last season , I would expect a big bounce back . Still believe they will do very little more this offseason , a couple FA deals later on once the smoke clears(Chemira & Soupy ) . Bing up some kids all together and let them gel ,maybe coach Q will need to be a little more of a teaching coach and run a few more practices . Pitt just one a cup with a handful of kids and a no name defense, it can be done . To many want Stan to swing for the fences ,not likely to happen

I have said many times 200 hits and 20 goals is an elite club....All the players you mentioned are considered to be regular members...And there are only a handful each year.

Those boys get paid.
- Al

They sure do--- As much as I would really like Ladd to remain a Hawk-- It doesn't seem plausible --- unless he takes 50% less than he will likely get anywhere else--- and his family wants to stay in Chicago--

Agreed, but I can only comprehend 4-1/2 of them.
- Mr Ricochet

Me too. But that's more of a reflection of us, not her.

Conversely there is only so much for teams to spend and when they spend it heavily on the Lucic's, Ladd's and Okposo's it means they have less, if any, to pay lesser solid players what they are worth driving them to teams like the Hawks at very reduced rates.

Should be more than a handful of really good bargains after the top and upper middle tier guys take much of the few resources available.
- Mr Ricochet

Will be interesting-- Would someone like Darren Helm be an option just below that first tier salary base-- he made 2.5M last year--

Love it. Me too.

Used to get AM1000 from a tiny town 4 hours northwest from Toronto.

For the record, Timmy's has really gone downhill lately, even before the BK merger.
- TyCamScore

That's great -- listening when I was a kid really got me hooked. It felt like Chicago was so far away, but I could hear the broadcasts and I absolutely loved hearing Pat call the game. After JR broke on the scene I was really hooked and got my Mom to spring me for a jersey from Hawkquarters for Christmas. Still have it today!

I'm with you on Timmy's too. It's nice to get a bag of the donut shop blend here in the DC area when I'm in the store, but it's definitely not what I remember years back.

I like McGinn for sure for the right price... Him and Campbell would be great additions. I think we are on the same page on the other guys likely being pipe dreams. What do you think it takes to get a guy like McGinn? Wasn't he looking in the $4 mil + range?
- Frenchy4488

Depending on what Uncle John can promise him in other type money,I say 3.5 or so, depending on what Campbell eats up. I think teams that suck but have cap space will offer overpay for these guys, sothentheyhave to think it out, Do I want to play meaningless games and in front of 8000 people or do I want achicago scenario plus the chancellor Uncle John to line his pockets with endorsements. If it is anybody that can make Halloween statues on someone's front lawn rich it is McDonough.Campbell and McGinn is a good job 7/1

You're welcome.

Why does anyone assume we would have interest in CC?
- Jeropotato

I think they see a team that should be up and coming that could use a goalie. It's more hope than an assumption.

Will be interesting-- Would someone like Darren Helm be an option just below that first tier salary base-- he made 2.5M last year--
- jb3333

With respect, (frank) no, McGinn or bust, swing for Sheffield! Need an assaulting left wing that will create space out there, weave a ton of Tinsey Flys already, crap Lester just gave up a Bomb

As we stand today..


Panik-Toews-Hossa
Panarin-Anisimov-Kane
Desi-Kruger-??
??-Moose-??

Keith-Seabs
Hammer-TVR
Kempny-Gustaffson

Crawford
Darling

Does that look like a Stanley Cup Championship roster to you?


Ya, me neither.

Yeah for sure he would , but with the cap not moving much GM have to be prepared to walk away or trade ahead of time. Hate saying it cause Seabs has been so important to the Hawks cups. Hawks problem is not just the money it's that they have so many long term contracts. There just isn'tanything coming off the books for years. So it'snot directed at Seabs, Its all the core but Seabs contract is the last one offered. Also it's what it is and I really can't complain cause every other team or fan would gladly switch places and have 3 cups and arguably still have the best core in the NHL
- HamiltonHawk

I have to respectfully disagree in one respect. Another team might offer Seabs a 7 yr deal with AAV of $7m ($49m total) and the Hawks could offer an 8 yr deal at $6m AAV ($48m). I would have gambled that Seabs, given his character as I see it, would stay with the Hawks as I don't see him leaving a team and teammates for $1m over 8 years. I simply don't understand Stan's thinking on Seabrook's deal. For an ND graduate I sometimes think he makes deals out of fear of losing someone rather than using simple logic like "Hey Seabs, we will make that $1m and more up in endorsements here in big market Chicago. So we could have saved $ 800k per year which down the road could be HUGE! But WTF do I know...

Depending on what Uncle John can promise him in other type money,I say 3.5 or so, depending on what Campbell eats up. I think teams that suck but have cap space will offer overpay for these guys, sothentheyhave to think it out, Do I want to play meaningless games and in front of 8000 people or do I want achicago scenario plus the chancellor Uncle John to line his pockets with endorsements. If it is anybody that can make Halloween statues on someone's front lawn rich it is McDonough.Campbell and McGinn is a good job 7/1
- wonthecup10

If you are banking on a discount put all your chips on Campbell and hope.
He's made about $60 mill in his career and at 37 he can write his own ticket. 2 years for $5-$5.5 mill gets it done is my guess.

Per @TheFourthPeriod
Further to @DJ_Bean report on Lucic, source in Lucic camp tells me they haven't even received an offer from a team yet. So, there's talk.

Bean's report? That Lucic said to tell folks that reports that he's going to the Oilers are BS (he didn't use the abbreviation).