HB should you loan you out to one or two of our bloggers who use analytics like a drunk uses a lamppost—merely for temporary support, not for illumination.

You do a great job of weighing metrics in terms of context. Cheers.
- John Jaeckel

Are we aloud to guess who your talking about

And a third possibility, or the same thing as option 2, just with a unique and ironic—and easily achieved–twist:

Put a true center, who's very good at winning pucks along the wall, who's a faster skater, and better on draws than AA, and probably as good or maybe better as a passer, between 72 and 88.

Kruger.

And I know there will be a distinct hue and cry at the thought, but it's not like Artem Anisimov has ever been some kind of offensive machine.

I'd be willing to venture Kruger would get about 40 points (like 10/30), Panarin 75 and Kane 95.

So then you're backfilling a lower line center instead of a 2C.
- John Jaeckel

Agree but I thought it would be a combo of Shaw/Kruger and rookie...But inany event Bowman mentioned about reinventing the club through changes...

I take a chance they can find a fill in for AA rather than a guy who kills penalties and can check the top line center as well.

I like AA but at $4.5 mill per I take the chance and bank $2 mill.

Agree but I thought it would be a combo of Shaw/Kruger and rookie...But inany event Bowman mentioned about reinventing the club through changes...

I take a chance they can find a fill in for AA rather than a guy who kills penalties and can check the top line center as well.

I like AA but at $4.5 mill per I take the chance and bank $2 mill.
- Al

Hey Al,


What do you think the return for AA would be ? Would the Hawks be targeting a less3r Center with cap savings or a D man ?

Youve brought up AA a lot lately ? Dot connecting or hearing the Hawks would deal him and soon, before 7/1 ?

Hall and Nurse for Old bad contract Seabrook
Nice joke guys

I'm gonna disagree here.

And as long as LBR is around, I can think of no one better to ask:

Is there a solid metric out there for offensive zone possession time/TOI?

This whole Kruger can't score narrative is a bit overblown and misses a couple of important points. I doubt strongly Kruger will ever score more than 40 points in a season. But he had 26 (9/17) in his first full season in North America (with the Hawks) in 2012.

So Kruger can score. He can pass the puck pretty damn well actually, and he scored a helluva goal in the 2013 SCF.

I think the deal with Kruger the last couple of years is the job he's been asked to do, the number of d-zone starts.

His line in 2015 was HUGE—especially vis a vis EXTENDED O-ZONE POSSESSION. That was with Desi and Shaw, not exactly big time finishers, and let's face it, really all they were trying to do was pin opponents in their end,not necessarily create chances.

I think if you got Kruger with say Hossa and another 2-way winger and he might be pretty productive as a third line C.
- John Jaeckel

Scored a pretty nice goal last year in the WCF, too, and had a very timely assist on a Kane goal this postseason.

I think you've mentioned before that he's underrated as a set-up guy and I think you are 100% correct

TSN Dennis Bernstein :

Kings will talk with UFA F Matt Martin but with likely $3-4M per price tag, deal isn't feasible

And a third possibility, or the same thing as option 2, just with a unique and ironic—and easily achieved–twist:

Put a true center, who's very good at winning pucks along the wall, who's a faster skater, and better on draws than AA, and probably as good or maybe better as a passer, between 72 and 88.

Kruger.

And I know there will be a distinct hue and cry at the thought, but it's not like Artem Anisimov has ever been some kind of offensive machine.

I'd be willing to venture Kruger would get about 40 points (like 10/30), Panarin 75 and Kane 95.

So then you're backfilling a lower line center instead of a 2C.
- John Jaeckel

That could work, JJ, but my concern is that AA picked up a lot of loose change (and created a lot of traffic for his linemates) by camping in front of the net, which is not really Kruger's game. I wonder what impact that would have on 72 and 88.

Oh come on Bill youd have to atbleast pause and think about it. Seabrook is losing a step every single day. Love #7 , but that new deal he signed has to be a little regrettable to the front office that misjudged the cap
- mrpaulish

Misjudged the cap.....gonna hear a lot of that the next few years.

Only one of the Oilers players was ever called a generational talent, and McDavid is exactly that.

I think the Oilers have done just fine drafting early in drafts. Where they failed was their inability to draft beyond the first round. They didn't have any decent depth players until just recently. They had no goaltending until Talbot signed. Their defensive depth has been a joke for a long time.


Taylor Hall(1st overall, 2010) is the 2nd best player from the 2010 draft. Seguin has been slightly more productive, and he was taken 2nd overall.

RNH(1st overall, 2011) is only less productive than one player from that draft. Landeskog, who was taken 2nd overall.

Yakupov(1st overall, 2012) is garbage. Bad pick.

Nurse(7th overall, 2013) Spent time developing his game and looks close to ready for a top 4 role. Solid pick.

Draisatl(3rd overall, 2014) Absolutely awesome pick. There's only one player better than Draisatl out of the 2014 draft, and that's Aaron Ekblad. He's going to be a great 2nd line center for a long time.

2015 was McDavid. That's the easiest pick they've ever made. This year Puljujarvi was another easy pick in the 1st round.

The Oilers have the right men in charge now to get the team contending, and I'd give it a maximum of two years before they're back in the playoffs.
- Hawks_49

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Hawks send Crawford and sea brook for nurse ( I know dreaming) or kelfbom and Draisati and yak. Draisati and kelfbom make the Hawks younger and if yak doesn't work out there's room under the cap this year and next for the bread man

HB should you loan you out to one or two of our bloggers who use analytics like a drunk uses a lamppost—merely for temporary support, not for illumination.

You do a great job of weighing metrics in terms of context. Cheers.
- John Jaeckel

Agree but I thought it would be a combo of Shaw/Kruger and rookie...But inany event Bowman mentioned about reinventing the club through changes...

I take a chance they can find a fill in for AA rather than a guy who kills penalties and can check the top line center as well.

I like AA but at $4.5 mill per I take the chance and bank $2 mill.
- Al

We won 3 cups without a true "2C". AA is perfect for that role, but I personally don't feel he is essential.

Also, (somewhat related) would Panarin have more, the same, or less points without Kane across from him? Split those two up and go something like Kruger-Kane-Panik, or Kruger-Hossa-Panarin, I think you have both more balanced scoring and better D.

JJ with the early evening brain teaser!

I wonder with the financial impact of Brexit and impact on the CDN $--- the NHL will find some way to create a loophole -- just in time to save the Oilers from the cap disaster all those #1 overall picks will create-- after the ELC expire--

Too late for the Hawks-- we already lost what would have been core members to the Cap crap trap
- jb3333

I was thinking the same thing , now thatt the Oilers and Leafs have this young talent and are already having to worry about cap, that the NHL will decide on something that will allow them to go over the cap. Perhaps keeping your drafted players let's you go over the cap a certain per centage. Getting paranoid that something like that will happen.

TSN Dennis Bernstein :

Kings will talk with UFA F Matt Martin but with likely $3-4M per price tag, deal isn't feasible
- mrpaulish

If Martin is looking for $3 million or more per season, he isn't coming to Chicago.

Y
Hawks send Crawford and sea brook for nurse ( I know dreaming) or kelfbom and Draisati and yak. Draisati and kelfbom make the Hawks younger and if yak doesn't work out there's room under the cap this year and next for the bread man
- Abadseed

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The Oilers would never accept that deal. Klefbom and Draisatl are young studs that will contribute for many years in Edmonton. I'd love it, but it will never happen [/img]

I just LOL'd here... and I'm Canadian.
- TyCamScore

Timmy Ho's!

/from a guy who grew up near Rochester and watched a lot of Leafs and Sabres games as a kid

/but got AM1000 late at nights and got to hear Pat and Dale on the radio ... hae been a Hawks fan since I was a kid in the 80s

According to Travis Yost, Brian Campbell pretty much a done deal, okay! That's 1, let's see Seabrooke, Keith, Campbell, Hjalmersson, Kempny, TVR, not bad, depending on the Russian kid, Crawford pretty much will have to clear his own crease still, but with the projection of those 6 hopefully that puck willbe movin fast out of the zone so the traffic hopefully will be to a minimum , lotta stick checking though.

Edit.PLEASE no fricken Svedberg, Runblad or Gusteffson, put them on " the 1way Hound" to Rockford!

If Martin is looking for $3 million or more per season, he isn't coming to Chicago.
- EKB13

Stan will have to go bargain bin shopping this offseason. Maybe one of the RFAs that wasn't qualified could be an option. Otherwise I think we're looking for a bunch of Rockford auditions until somebody sticks.

Timmy Ho's!

/from a guy who grew up near Rochester and watched a lot of Leafs and Sabres games as a kid

/but got AM1000 late at nights and got to hear Pat and Dale on the radio ... hae been a Hawks fan since I was a kid in the 80s
- stp1978

Love it. Me too.

Used to get AM1000 from a tiny town 4 hours northwest from Toronto.

For the record, Timmy's has really gone downhill lately, even before the BK merger.

You don't think Seabrook would have goten as much or more on the open market?
- Al

Yeah for sure he would , but with the cap not moving much GM have to be prepared to walk away or trade ahead of time. Hate saying it cause Seabs has been so important to the Hawks cups. Hawks problem is not just the money it's that they have so many long term contracts. There just isn'tanything coming off the books for years. So it'snot directed at Seabs, Its all the core but Seabs contract is the last one offered. Also it's what it is and I really can't complain cause every other team or fan would gladly switch places and have 3 cups and arguably still have the best core in the NHL

YES. This is all I have been trying to say since the ink dried on that contract extension. Would you rather use that $3.1 mil to sign a Top 6 LW or legitimate 4D? I think most would. Why else would Stan be trying to rid himself of the contract months after finalizing it? If Kruger is the 3C this year, I think the Hawks will have even more trouble with depth scoring. Two of the Hawks best depth scorers have been traded away in Shaw and Tuevo. Where are the goals going to come from? Mark McNeil or Ryan Hartman? Rookie Nick Schmaltz or by some miracle Debrincat makes the team? Who is going to score goals outside of 19, 88, 72, 81 and 15? I'll wait....
- EnzoD

If Freddy steps into the 3C role and contributes 30 points and solid fancy stats his salary is ok. But then he no longer is your 4th line specialist, his only role in his NHL career, and you now have to find one.

But why wouldn't you sign a 3 mil per guy who actually IS and HAS scored 30-35 points as a 3C instead of Freddy for that role when he's never, and probably won't, scored 30+ points a year? And is no longer your 4C specialist?

Freddy is in over his head as a 3C but is paid near to one. Put him at 3C and you've weakened both the 3C slot as well as the 4C slot.

I wonder with the financial impact of Brexit and impact on the CDN $--- the NHL will find some way to create a loophole -- just in time to save the Oilers from the cap disaster all those #1 overall picks will create-- after the ELC expire--

Too late for the Hawks-- we already lost what would have been core members to the Cap crap trap
- jb3333

I think this could absolutely happen and people will be furious

HB should you loan you out to one or two of our bloggers who use analytics like a drunk uses a lamppost—merely for temporary support, not for illumination.

You do a great job of weighing metrics in terms of context. Cheers.
- John Jaeckel

Indeed, except for the loan her out part. Her 9 posts a year aren't enough as is.

Love it. Me too.

Used to get AM1000 from a tiny town 4 hours northwest from Toronto.

For the record, Timmy's has really gone downhill lately, even before the BK merger.
- TyCamScore

Tim's is much worse on the West coast too. I've stopped going altogether.

And a third possibility, or the same thing as option 2, just with a unique and ironic—and easily achieved–twist:

Put a true center, who's very good at winning pucks along the wall, who's a faster skater, and better on draws than AA, and probably as good or maybe better as a passer, between 72 and 88.

Kruger.

And I know there will be a distinct hue and cry at the thought, but it's not like Artem Anisimov has ever been some kind of offensive machine.

I'd be willing to venture Kruger would get about 40 points (like 10/30), Panarin 75 and Kane 95.

So then you're backfilling a lower line center instead of a 2C.
- John Jaeckel

Or a fourth possibility Vadim Shipachyov.

Indeed, except for the loan her out part. Her 9 posts a year aren't enough as is.
- Mr Ricochet

She posts more logic, fact and common sense in 9 posts than most of us do in 900 posts.