Most of this good, but a dome? uhhh....i get your points though and most of them are quite good. I just can't do a dome...hell, I want the Bears to move back to Wrigley. LOL...not really.
- kwolf68

Dome....only for the biz aspect. I get your sentiment.

My first dozen or two Bears games was at Wrigley. Hell, I was at the NU game there and hope they return (of course being able to fully use both endzones).

So no chance at all of any of them improving their game and making some sort of difference?

What did McNeill and Hartman show that Kero and Baun didn't? Serious question since I only saw 5 games in person. Hino is a different type of player (who I think has played better than average in his time up and pretty well at the hockey championship).
- Chunk

Really hard to make these judgements when you're looking at a small sampling of play.

Here's the points scored for each in Rockford last year. Baun played about 20 less games.



Hinostroza - 51
Kero - 39
Baun - 9
Hartman - 35
McNeill - 48

McNeill's been down there for three seasons, arguably had his best season this year. Time for him to get a shot.

Good, we agree that he has been effective as a shutdown center. So what we disagree on partially is his contract. Personally, I was never arguing that the contract was good for the Hawks, just that the statement that he's 'overpaid' for his value is not exactly accurate. Those are different things, imo. It's more accurate to say that a shutdown center of his quality is a luxury a team like the Hawks cannot currently afford.

And this may be a semantics argument, but I maintain that Bowman would not have found as good as good a player as Kruger at his role for half off - though he maybe could have found someone half as good for half the amount, which maybe would have been compensated by the increase in a better top 6 / d-core. There are a lot of maybes in that situation, though. I think that's a perfectly reasonable argument. The fact is that there are not really any guys in the league that get the same deployment as Kruger with historically similar results, and those close to it are not making half his amount (Lewis is making $1m less, as we've already noted), kind of reinforces this point.

The only guy that maybe they could have gotten for half Kruger's hit that would have been closer to be on par and not stupidly old was Riley Nash from the Canes (and that's mostly because he's been on the Canes). He doesn't get the same zone deployment, face as high QOC or PK as much - but his passing numbers are really solid, a little bit more finish, and shot suppression is good.
- L_B_R

I am finding your statements to be well-reasoned and intelligently stated... I enjoy reading your posts.

Down like a clown Charlie Brown. I wonder who has more trade value, Crawford or Seabs
- Hawkeyes1

The Oil need D very badly . Have way too many foreards and no free agents are going to sign there because Edmonton one of the worst towns in the NHL .

So the Oil will have to draft or trade for D .

Just a thought

Hinostroza is a bust, Kero is a bust, Baun is a bust, .....could see both McNeill & Hartman making it.
- wonthecup10

Is it fair to label Hinostroza or Kero busts already? The Penguins just had two guys step up in the playoffs that had somewhat similar development timeline in Rust and Sheary respectfully (similar size even). I mean, they could definitely be busts, but it's a bit too soon to tell.

How would people here feel if the trade was :

Taylor Hall for Brent Seabrook and a 3rd rounder next year ?

Blackhawks solve their top 6 and save $800,000 .
Id say the Hawks have to include a pick because Hall is a former 1-1 and younger than Seabrook.

Hawks use the extra 800k and remaining cap to add a serviceable d man .


Which side says No to this deal ?


I dont think the Oilers would be able to beat Seabrook for Hall
- mrpaulish

I would gladly make this deal... Next year if we had a god indicatin that Kempny is the real deal. I think right now it just comes with too much risk on our back end. Looking at how many teams are scrambling for D help and the crumbs that are available I just wouldn't pull the trigger right now. If they would do it for Crow I might consider it.

How about moving that Crawford contract and bringing in Bryz for cheap to split time with Darling.

That would be a humongous move
- Hank3Henshaw

Bryzaster.....In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.....

Down like a clown Charlie Brown. I wonder who has more trade value, Crawford or Seabs
- Hawkeyes1

I'm wondering how drunk either would need to be to agree to a trade to Edmonton??

Really hard to make these judgements when you're looking at a small sampling of play.

Here's the points scored for each in Rockford last year. Baun played about 20 less games.



Hinostroza - 51
Kero - 39
Baun - 9
Hartman - 35
McNeill - 48

McNeill's been down there for three seasons, arguably had his best season this year. Time for him to get a shot.
- walleyeb1

FWIW-I have never heard a glowing review about Baun.

I'm wondering how drunk either would need to be to agree to a trade to Edmonton??
- Al

About as drunk as he was at the Rise Against concert

Arthur Staple
@StapeNewsday
Hearing DET, TOR, MTL, BOS, LAK, CGY among the teams that have reached out to Matt Martin. #Isles

Staple is the Isles beat reporter for Newsday

Within five seconds of trading Seabrook for Taylor Hall (who you still hope reaches his potential) you have 865,000 saved.

WOW!

You gave up a true first pair defenseman you can't find a replacement for...
to help aid in CAP space?

in fact I can easily argue there are at least twelve teams that don't have ONE as good as him..

I am finding your statements to be well-reasoned and intelligently stated... I enjoy reading your posts.
- tgentry1084

Aww, thanks. My issue is being a little too verbose sometimes lol. Get me started on stats and I could go on forever...

David Staples
@dstaples
Edmonton Oilers have deal worked out with Milan Lucic, says Curtis Stock of Journal.

So no chance at all of any of them improving their game and making some sort of difference?

What did McNeill and Hartman show that Kero and Baun didn't? Serious question since I only saw 5 games in person. Hino is a different type of player (who I think has played better than average in his time up and pretty well at the hockey championship).
- Chunk

You have a good point, it is just personal preference for me, Hinostroza, too small, we have enough of that already, we just lost Shaw, if ever a time forMcneill and Hartman to step it up and play balls to the wall and drill people while battling for pucks and net presence it is now! Kero and Baun will be Matt Carey and Drew LaBlanc all over again otherwise they would have been drafted, gut feeling that is all.
That method of looking to the colleges , overseas and Beer leagues (see Mashintor) ,will most of the time get you slag vs. gold. There is that chance that all of them improve their game, the 2 I mentioned I hope succeed ,personal preference, they play the type of game I like.

David Staples
@dstaples
Edmonton Oilers have deal worked out with Milan Lucic, says Curtis Stock of Journal.
- golfbard

His duties with the Oilers will be, when they get behind, he will cross check someone...

Aww, thanks. My issue is being a little too verbose sometimes lol. Get me started on stats and I could go on forever...
- L_B_R

I know what you mean. I keep getting caught up running through buyout calculators and cap recapture penalties. Every time I write a new post about it, I wish I just had it saved in Word to copy/paste.

Really hard to make these judgements when you're looking at a small sampling of play.

Here's the points scored for each in Rockford last year. Baun played about 20 less games.



Hinostroza - 51
Kero - 39
Baun - 9
Hartman - 35
McNeill - 48
- walleyeb1

I looked up the same numbers after I posted. I wish I could find more advanced stats o them to see if they would be a closer fit to how Q likes his players. Being that the players being discussed are likely going to be bottom 6 and not really relied on for scoring.

Arthur Staple
@StapeNewsday
Hearing DET, TOR, MTL, BOS, LAK, CGY among the teams that have reached out to Matt Martin. #Isles

Staple is the Isles beat reporter for Newsday
- golfbard

Montreal needs more big bodies....

Really hard to make these judgements when you're looking at a small sampling of play.

Here's the points scored for each in Rockford last year. Baun played about 20 less games.



Hinostroza - 51
Kero - 39
Baun - 9
Hartman - 35
McNeill - 48

McNeill's been down there for three seasons, arguably had his best season this year. Time for him to get a shot.
- walleyeb1

Hinostroza a 6th round pick, Kero and Baun were undrafted. Hard to call any of them busts. What were you realistically expecting from them.

Hartmann a 2013 pick (last of rd. 1), too early to call him a bust, still lots of 1st rounders in that year yet to see much time in the NHL yet.

How would people here feel if the trade was :

Taylor Hall for Brent Seabrook and a 3rd rounder next year ?

Blackhawks solve their top 6 and save $800,000 .
Id say the Hawks have to include a pick because Hall is a former 1-1 and younger than Seabrook.

Hawks use the extra 800k and remaining cap to add a serviceable d man .


Which side says No to this deal ?


I dont think the Oilers would be able to beat Seabrook for Hall
- mrpaulish

While 1LW was an issue last year, nothing compares to the hole on Defence this deal would create. servicable D for $800k, keep dreaming.

The move does not solve Panarin issue next year. If I traded Seabs, which I would not, I would at least make sure that Panarin is taken care of, and get some D in return. Panarin > Hall

Within five seconds of trading Seabrook for Taylor Hall (who you still hope reaches his potential) you have 865,000 saved.

WOW!

You gave up a true first pair defenseman you can't find a replacement for...
to help aid in CAP space?

in fact I can easily argue there are at least twelve teams that don't have ONE as good as him..
- wiz1901

Ding, ding, ding!

Within five seconds of trading Seabrook for Taylor Hall (who you still hope reaches his potential) you have 865,000 saved.

WOW!

You gave up a true first pair defenseman you can't find a replacement for...
to help aid in CAP space?

in fact I can easily argue there are at least twelve teams that don't have ONE as good as him..
- wiz1901

Bill, you are totally right, just looking at it from an age standpoint, you would be gaining a 26 year old power forward , but losing a 31 year old D man with a bad contract , Edmonton could live with that as they have a plethora of young Forwards, yes SB would have the enormous task of then replacing a Brent Seabrooke, I think Edmonton takes that deal if offered to them for Taylor Hall. I make the trade.

@dstaples
Edmonton Oilers have deal worked out with Milan Lucic, says Curtis Stock of Journal.
- golfbard

How? Thought they could not discuss money or term before july 1

How? Thought they could not discuss money or term before july 1
- ikeane

LAK GM gave full written permission for all teams to talk to Lucic when they couldn't work out a deal.
http://mynhltraderumors.c...ic-lewis-king/2016/06/23/