Did you guys hear Lucic is being wined and dined by the Oilers? Seems like a weird fit.
- Hank3Henshaw

Chiarelli drafted him. He loves Lucic. He would bring an edge to a team that doesn't have one. I think it's a perfect fit.

He was a schmuck, but he was our schmuck. Ditka coulda been great, but he went 100% loco clown shoes outer limits after he started to idolize his own star and would often change the actual jet stream by fanning the flames of his own burning self interest.
- kwolf68

Ditka could never have been great. That man was, and is, as dumb as a stump, and has been playing a character that some people seem to like for 30 years.

I still have a hard time believing he gets much credit for much of anything on the Bears given the relative underperformance of the offense, given he was thrown out of defense meetings.

They taking him to Tim Horton's?
- furso27

I just LOL'd here... and I'm Canadian.

Then why would you need both a NMC and a Mod NTC? all you would do is say you are willing to Waive your NMC only to be traded to team B. No need for both.
- kmw4631

An NMC is more encompassing....They become of value especially for an older player signing his last big deal....That player wants to make sure he can have a say in being traded but also doesn't want to spend one day in the AHL.

There have been players on fat deals with eroding skill that get buried in the minors...Wade Redden comes to mind. That's not to a way to end a career, so the no movement anywhere is important for them.

What is a No-Move Clause (NMC)?

A No-Move Clause (NMC) can be added to a player's contract in the years after they are eligible for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency (7 Accrued seasons or 27 years of age), and has the following properties:
•Player cannot be traded without his consent (however, the clause can specify a modified no-trade clause that limits the NTC to a certain number of teams)
•Player cannot be placed on waivers without his consent
•Player cannot be assigned to the minors without his consent
•Player is not exempt from a buyout or contract termination


It still to me sounds like you could have a NMC (no waivers or Minors) and a Mod NTC for trading purposes. You can also retain your NMC by making the team you are going to waive for Sign that you are keeping your NMC. I go back to that if you have a NMC you do not need a Mod NTC and if you have both the Mod NTC might control Trading a player where the NMC means you cannot be waived or sent to the minor's.
- kmw4631

The bolded part is saying they still have to give consent to whether they will be traded, period, then M-NTC comes into effect. CapGeek had an info session about this exact thing. Players with NMC M-NTC are more likely to waive the former than those with full NMC.

Not that it matters - no one is clear on which clause structure Crawford has since the cap sites disagree.

Not if you are thinking about trading a forward for some d and want to add grit, size and cup winning experience to your forwards.

Hearing that everyone in the market for top 6 forwards has all the same guys on their lists and are waiting for Stamkos to move triggering the waterfall of signings. I hate the calm newsless part before the storm!
- Marlowe

Oh, yea. He's a great addition to whatever team he goes to. Just can't see him on the Oilers. Canucks had him out there, too.

I hear you on the calm before the storm...I want some news and moves to be made!

Chiarelli drafted him. He loves Lucic. He would bring an edge to a team that doesn't have one. I think it's a perfect fit.
- Hawks_49

What would the Oilers do with the other 875 forwards they have?

Chiarelli drafted him. He loves Lucic. He would bring an edge to a team that doesn't have one. I think it's a perfect fit.
- Hawks_49

No doubt about it. He's a talented and strong player. I just can't see him in Edmonton. Just me, though. I feel like the Oilers are a team that will never really get to where they should be. I think a lot of those young/skilled Forwards that they have right now will get traded away over time and the Oilers will stay that team that "could have been" or more realistically "should be."

Ditka could never have been great. That man was, and is, as dumb as a stump, and has been playing a character that some people seem to like for 30 years.

I still have a hard time believing he gets much credit for much of anything on the Bears given the relative underperformance of the offense, given he was thrown out of defense meetings.
- BreadmanCometh

In 1985 the Bears were the second highest scoring team in football. Their offense ranked 7th overall in total yards. 20th in passing yards and first in rushing yards. Ditka led the offense. I know Buddy Ryan died today, and he was a terrific defensive coordinator....but the Bears don't win in 1985 without Ditka. At the time, he was always considered a very good coach. Not until he got to New Orleans did his coaching star start to fade.

And recall...he did this with McMahon at QB. McMahon was a slightly above average quarterback that was more a leader of the offense than anything else. Or as Dan Hampton once put it, "it's not like he is Richard Petty driving a Yugo...more like a chimpanze driving a Lamborghini". His point being McMahon had the greatest defense and the greatest running back of all time at his disposal.

My understanding is that is entirely up to the team. If I were a GM, unless it was a "franchise type player," I would routinely ask every player with an NTC for their list on 10/1 every year. Takes a lot of the drama out of it. Some players might female dog and moan but the reality is, it just says everyone's on a level playing field and after 2-3 years, it would not be a big deal to anyone.
- John Jaeckel

You are correct asking every player would eliminate the drama. From what I understand the opposite happens...They ask nobody which creates a bigger issue down the road.

Once a player's name gets out that they have been asked, his trade value hasn't been enhanced but more likely diminished.

So if I was a GM I like your way...Ask everyone at start of the year and play no favorites.

In 1985 the Bears were the second highest scoring team in football. Their offense ranked 7th overall in total yards. 20th in passing yards and first in rushing yards. Ditka led the offense. I know Buddy Ryan died today, and he was a terrific defensive coordinator....but the Bears don't win in 1985 without Ditka. At the time, he was always considered a very good coach. Not until he got to New Orleans did his coaching star start to fade.

And recall...he did this with McMahon at QB. McMahon was a slightly above average quarterback that was more a leader of the offense than anything else. Or as Dan Hampton once put it, "it's not like he is Richard Petty driving a Yugo...more like a chimpanze driving a Lamborghini". His point being McMahon had the greatest defense and the greatest running back of all time at his disposal.
- onehundredlevel

Their time of possession was very, very good...They could run the ball all day and the defense was so great they didn't stay on the field very long.

I'm one of maybe three guys on this board that is a Weise fan. Still think he wasn't used like she should have been. Would be cool to see him help out another team and find some success.
- Hank3Henshaw

I like me some Weiss... poor man's Brouwer. He must not have fit into the fraternity, because he's a big body and they gave up a good price for him. How is he not valued more than a Rasmussen, say?

You are correct asking every player would eliminate the drama. From what I understand the opposite happens...They ask nobody which creates a bigger issue down the road.

Once a player's name gets out that they have been asked, his trade value hasn't been enhanced but more likely diminished.

So if I was a GM I like your way...Ask everyone at start of the year and play no favorites.
- Al

Don't NTC lists have a time limit? I thought this was the reason they didn't ask until they were close to a deal. Or does it run a full season?

No doubt about it. He's a talented and strong player. I just can't see him in Edmonton. Just me, though. I feel like the Oilers are a team that will never really get to where they should be. I think a lot of those young/skilled Forwards that they have right now will get traded away over time and the Oilers will stay that team that "could have been" or more realistically "should be."
- Hank3Henshaw

I think the idea the Oil is looking at a player like Lucic is a very good sign...Because whatever they have been doing hasn't worked at all.

Time to change some faces on the roster.....They have a vg coach so it's time to move forward.

No doubt about it. He's a talented and strong player. I just can't see him in Edmonton. Just me, though. I feel like the Oilers are a team that will never really get to where they should be. I think a lot of those young/skilled Forwards that they have right now will get traded away over time and the Oilers will stay that team that "could have been" or more realistically "should be."
- Hank3Henshaw

I think he is exactly what the Oilers need along with at least 2 top end D men as well. They will be trading at least 2 of their top forwards for the help they need on D. They are going into their new barn this season and 10 years of no playoffs is going to end.

Pagnotta :

Most contenders saying they're looking to add veteran presence up front are on the Chimera train so far. Quality depth for PP/PK too.

I like me some Weiss... poor man's Brouwer. He must not have fit into the fraternity, because he's a big body and they gave up a good price for him. How is he not valued more than a Rasmussen, say?
- RedFeather

Because some times plain and simple Q is just flat wrong.

Pagnotta :

Most contenders saying they're looking to add veteran presence up front are on the Chimera train so far. Quality depth for PP/PK too.
- mrpaulish

Sounds like the Hawks MO, doesn't it?

In 1985 the Bears were the second highest scoring team in football. Their offense ranked 7th overall in total yards. 20th in passing yards and first in rushing yards. Ditka led the offense. I know Buddy Ryan died today, and he was a terrific defensive coordinator....but the Bears don't win in 1985 without Ditka. At the time, he was always considered a very good coach. Not until he got to New Orleans did his coaching star start to fade.

And recall...he did this with McMahon at QB. McMahon was a slightly above average quarterback that was more a leader of the offense than anything else. Or as Dan Hampton once put it, "it's not like he is Richard Petty driving a Yugo...more like a chimpanze driving a Lamborghini". His point being McMahon had the greatest defense and the greatest running back of all time at his disposal.
- onehundredlevel

Sure Ditka was the man to take them over the top - but his offensive schemes were a joke. Mac changed the plays early and often. I consider that the greatest defense ever, take a look at the Dallas game 44-0 at Dallas...they killed Danny White.

But they were a different team without Mad Mac running the show.
Take a look at the Viking game in Minni that year MacMahon audibled in his first two plays out of the huddle when got in and they both went for bomb TDs.

Ditka told all those players not to do commercials and then he did them all. And then there's the Spare Bears...a joke when Ditka referred to them as the real players.

Don't NTC lists have a time limit? I thought this was the reason they didn't ask until they were close to a deal. Or does it run a full season?
- L_B_R

I'm not sure if that is correct...But as I posted earlier they wouldn't hold any significance for the following year. That said I think there are tweaks with specifics on individual contracts.

It gets very complicated...Sometimes players are asked for a list of teams where they will accept a trade-Other times they are asked for a list of teams where they wouldn't accept a trade.

Sometimes a player can only be dealt and asked for a list during a certain period of time, let's say a month in the summer. If nothing happens then he can't effectively be dealt later....

That was the case when Philly traded Mike Richards to LA...If memory serves me it was around this time of year Richards was dealt and the deal could happen only during a few week period.

.......And in this case not sure they needed his permission at all, actually I think they didn't as long as it was done during a certain time frame.

No doubt about it. He's a talented and strong player. I just can't see him in Edmonton. Just me, though. I feel like the Oilers are a team that will never really get to where they should be. I think a lot of those young/skilled Forwards that they have right now will get traded away over time and the Oilers will stay that team that "could have been" or more realistically "should be."
- Hank3Henshaw

Some of those young forwards will absolutely be traded. They've been on the trade block for some time now, and someone is going to trade for them. Chiarelli is waiting for the right move, because the Oilers really need to improve their D. That franchise is not going to stay the underachieving team it has been. Not with Chiarelli, McLellan and McDavid leading the way now. McDavid is a superstar generational talent, and he makes everyone around him better. I honestly would not be surprised if the Oilers make the playoffs next season.

I think the idea the Oil is looking at a player like Lucic is a very good sign...Because whatever they have been doing hasn't worked at all.

Time to change some faces on the roster.....They have a vg coach so it's time to move forward.
- Al

I think they just don't develop guys. They might not have the right coaching or something. They had the top picks for like four years in a row and none of those guys has been what everyone has thought they would be. McDavid is probably the one who was predicted (and did) come out of the gates the hottest. Hall had a pretty good start to his career, but has leveled off like a lot of the other guys. I feel like Edmonton gets good players but then just rushes them in.

Building these guys up to the fans isn't a good idea either. Seems like every year the Oil has some guy they're calling a "generational talent" or some such and it's nearly impossible for the kid to live up to that title in a winning-starved organization whose fan base wants to get back to powerhouse days of the 80's.

Edmonton should look to unload some of those past number one picks, get some defensive pieces back and build around McDavid.

I think its important to keep Kruger at 4C. He's not offensively capable of being a 3C IMO. Especially on a team that is going to need 3rd line scoring depth. We can't afford to have a Desi-Kruger 3rd line(pretty weak as far as 3rd lines go). Gotta hope for a miracle as far as forward depth is concerned. Or else its going to be a long season...
- SimpleJack

A 4th line center that does not put any points on the scoresheet and gets paid 3.0M, do you even understand how the cap works??? Stan over paid Krugs...

This thread is "Quick Morning Rumors" for the Blackhawks. Can the Bears talk guys get a room?

I think they just don't develop guys. They might not have the right coaching or something. They had the top picks for like four years in a row and none of those guys has been what everyone has thought they would be. McDavid is probably the one who was predicted (and did) come out of the gates the hottest. Hall had a pretty good start to his career, but has leveled off like a lot of the other guys. I feel like Edmonton gets good players but then just rushes them in.

Building these guys up to the fans isn't a good idea either. Seems like every year the Oil has some guy they're calling a "generational talent" or some such and it's nearly impossible for the kid to live up to that title in a winning-starved organization whose fan base wants to get back to powerhouse days of the 80's.

Edmonton should look to unload some of those past number one picks, get some defensive pieces back and build around McDavid.
- Hank3Henshaw

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They don't mesh well...It has been more like a fantasy team that gets hot for
about 6 weeks a year and is awful the rest of the time.

They have ignored the defensive side of things for the most part..and amazingly picking the most talented player over and over again hasn't meant much.