How does he get in but Doug Wilson, Steve Larmer and Dave Andreychuck and Mark Recchi are not?
- furso27

I think Lindros deserves to be in. I believe he is top 20 in scoring. I think the beginning and middle of his career are Hall of Fame worthy but in the end not so much as injuries caught up. His points per game is pretty nasty. If he was healthy he'd be a top 10 scorer at least.

I think Recchi deserves to get in because of his productivity over a long period of time. I never considered him elite and since the HHOF criteria is all over the map, I'd put him in.

Andreychuk should be in likely for the same reason as Recchi. Played a long time, consistent, probably not elite but I think he should be recognized.

As for Larmer, if Dino Cicarelli is in then I think you put Larmer in. Never considered him elite but I think the HHOF has strange criteria.

I would also put Wilson in. Great D and overshadowed by Bourque and Coffee. And hell is Rod Langway made it, how do you not put Wilson in?

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- John Jaeckel

That's what they need to try to find in that dumpster.

A cheap, gritty forward who has a nose for the net. Unfortunately it may be someone like Steve Downie which is a far stretch from an Adrew Shaw, but that's the world Stan lives in right now.
- TyCamScore

Ya...the numbers of RFAs not qualified is significantly more than last season. Plus, as you mentioned, the quality is a lot better.

It's possible that Stan picks up one of these guys on the cheap, but I'd guess he sticks with the guys in Rockford. If Stan does decide to take a chance on somebody guys like Downie and Howden would be at the top of my list.

Per @2ndCityhockey: The Chicago Blackhawks extended one qualifying offer to Mark McNeill, while Mathieu Brisebois, Matt Fraser, Garrett Ross and Ryan Haggerty all will now become unrestricted free agents July 1.
- Marlowe

Not shocked about Ross. Given what happened last season I would have been surprised to see him return.

Agreed. Martin is a career 4th liner. He scored 10 goals for the first time in his whole career. Certainly not worthy of anything more than 2M aav
- Hawks_49

Not everyone's paid to score. He's led the league in hits the last three years stays healthy and can stand and fight anyone in the league and knows his role. If someone will give shaw 3.9 mil over 6 years someone will give martin 2.5 for 3 years

Agreed. Martin is a career 4th liner. He scored 10 goals for the first time in his whole career. Certainly not worthy of anything more than 2M aav
- Hawks_49

Not everyone's paid to score. He's led the league in hits the last three years stays healthy and can stand and fight anyone in the league and knows his role. If someone will give shaw 3.9 mil over 6 years someone will give martin 2.5 for 3 years

Agreed. Martin is a career 4th liner. He scored 10 goals for the first time in his whole career. Certainly not worthy of anything more than 2M aav
- Hawks_49

Not everyone's paid to score. He's led the league in hits the last three years stays healthy and can stand and fight anyone in the league and knows his role. If someone will give shaw 3.9 mil over 6 years someone will give martin 2.5 for 3 years

I don't ever recall this many RFAs (and ones at this caliber) going unsigned.

That only helps Stan with his dumpster diving mission. There will be a lot of these fringe/role players looking to stay in the league.
- TyCamScore

The league is going high skill and younger so you are going to extend RFA's top 6 and top 4 long term and then the older players 28 and up and the borderline NHL 22-24 years olds are all going to be $1 mil players. 20 teams cannot afford to have guys on 1 way deals in the AHL as depth. This is were Chicago should clean up. instead of trading away assets for rentals. Sign 3-4 of the non tendered guys to deals below the AHL exempt level and get them in your system and with your coaching and see which 1-2 fits and then send the others to Rockford.

I hated the last 2 drafts but all in all was pretty happy with this year. I feel like in the past the only thing they cared about was controlling guys rights and they took guys that just did not have any upside. This draft was all boom or bust type players but that is the way you need to go now. With the bottom of your roster all filled with untendered RFA and UFA's why invest picks in guys that are at best bottom pairing guys

So here are all the LWs and Dmen available. Thats a huge list of depth guys. I think Bowman is going to do just fine on 7/1 . Even with limited $

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ree-agents/left-wing/ufa/

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ee-agents/defenseman/ufa/

So here are all the LWs and Dmen available. Thats a huge list of depth guys. I think Bowman is going to do just fine on 7/1 . Even with limited $

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ree-agents/left-wing/ufa/

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ee-agents/defenseman/ufa/
- mrpaulish

I sorted the list by goals and after LADD, Mcginn, Lucic and boedker are priced out of what we can afford. The next best are Vanek, STeeg, piri, Purcell, flesch and STaal.

I think that list is pretty weak after the top 4 and I don't even consider any of them 1LW they all look more like 2/3LW.

http://lastwordonsports.c...-nhl-ufa-defensemen-2016/

Free agent D men is just terrible. Getting kempny who would be in the top 3-4 of that list at $900K was a steal. BTW he is on a 1 year deal so you may need some money next year for him as well.

So here are all the LWs and Dmen available. Thats a huge list of depth guys. I think Bowman is going to do just fine on 7/1 . Even with limited $

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ree-agents/left-wing/ufa/

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ee-agents/defenseman/ufa/
- mrpaulish

What would be a reasonable hit to sign Matt Martin to from the hawks standpoint? 3 yrs 6mil (2 AAV)

I sorted the list by goals and after LADD, Mcginn, Lucic and boedker are priced out of what we can afford. The next best are Vanek, STeeg, piri, Purcell, flesch and STaal.

I think that list is pretty weak after the top 4 and I don't even consider any of them 1LW they all look more like 2/3LW.

http://lastwordonsports.c...-nhl-ufa-defensemen-2016/

Free agent D men is just terrible. Getting kempny who would be in the top 3-4 of that list at $900K was a steal. BTW he is on a 1 year deal so you may need some money next year for him as well.
- kmw4631

I like Kris Russell, JJ may have mentioned him around the deadline last year. Is he due a big pay day? I can see him playing top four with his speed and paired with Hammer or Seabs.

LeBrun :

UFA blue-liner Jason Demers and UFA winger Milan Lucic both scheduled to be in Edmonton today as Oilers sell them both on their market/team

Russian Prospects @RUSProspects

GK Yevgeniy Kiselyov has been invited to the #Blackhawks development camp.

So here are all the LWs and Dmen available. Thats a huge list of depth guys. I think Bowman is going to do just fine on 7/1 . Even with limited $

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ree-agents/left-wing/ufa/

http://www.spotrac.com/nh...ee-agents/defenseman/ufa/
- mrpaulish

Would like to see Matt Martin 4 years at $1.5M AAV, would even consider it at $1.7M. But fear someone else will give him $2.5-3.0M. Stupid money day starts in just over 3 days.

I sorted the list by goals and after LADD, Mcginn, Lucic and boedker are priced out of what we can afford. The next best are Vanek, STeeg, piri, Purcell, flesch and STaal.

I think that list is pretty weak after the top 4 and I don't even consider any of them 1LW they all look more like 2/3LW.

http://lastwordonsports.c...-nhl-ufa-defensemen-2016/

Free agent D men is just terrible. Getting kempny who would be in the top 3-4 of that list at $900K was a steal. BTW he is on a 1 year deal so you may need some money next year for him as well.
- kmw4631

Im assuming Campbell will be here.

I don't ever recall this many RFAs (and ones at this caliber) going unsigned.

That only helps Stan with his dumpster diving mission. There will be a lot of these fringe/role players looking to stay in the league.
- TyCamScore

Adding in the long UFA list and European free agents like Shipayev (sp?), makes this a great shopping year for GMs.

Looking at the quality of UFA's available and what people are suggesting their salaries are going to be, makes me wonder where all this money is going to come from.
Add up these numbers and then what is available in teams' cap space. Something has to give. UfA's would be smart to snap up reasonable offers fast starting July 1.

Would like to see Matt Martin 4 years at $1.5M AAV, would even consider it at $1.7M. But fear someone else will give him $2.5-3.0M. Stupid money day starts in just over 3 days.
- blackhawk24

Anyone who gives Martin 2.5 per is nuts . I bet MartiN has a few 2m per 3 year deals

[img]Some bad news fellas...Buddy Ryan architect of the 46 Defense has passed...


http://www.csnchicago.com...ars-coach-buddy-ryan-dies
- DK002

Man, legends do die. RIP Buddy....

Per @RUSProspects:
GK Yevgeniy Kiselyov has been invited to the #Blackhawks development camp.

Anyone know anything about this guy? DABH?

Per @RUSProspects:
GK Yevgeniy Kiselyov has been invited to the #Blackhawks development camp.

Anyone know anything about this guy? DABH?
- Marlowe

He's a goalie....very raw, long term project in my view, but given our weakness there in the system worth a look. Think he has prototypical size/athleticism combo.

Not everyone's paid to score. He's led the league in hits the last three years stays healthy and can stand and fight anyone in the league and knows his role. If someone will give shaw 3.9 mil over 6 years someone will give martin 2.5 for 3 years
- vandymeer23

Someone might give him that, but it will be an overpay. Matt Martin is a 4th line player who plays 10 minutes per night and hits people. That's his only consistent contribution. 10 goals was his max out this year. A Corsi relative of 0 was his best. A career minus player. Matt Martin takes an awful lot of penalties for a guy who plays 10 minutes per night.

The Hawks coaching staff under Quenneville has never liked players who take too many penalties. The last time any player on the Hawks was over 100 PIM was Ben Eager in 2009-10. I don't see Martin fitting the system whatsoever. Quenneville would just bench him after the first few weeks of him taking dumb penalties.

I sorted the list by goals and after LADD, Mcginn, Lucic and boedker are priced out of what we can afford. The next best are Vanek, STeeg, piri, Purcell, flesch and STaal.

I think that list is pretty weak after the top 4 and I don't even consider any of them 1LW they all look more like 2/3LW.

http://lastwordonsports.c...-nhl-ufa-defensemen-2016/

Free agent D men is just terrible. Getting kempny who would be in the top 3-4 of that list at $900K was a steal. BTW he is on a 1 year deal so you may need some money next year for him as well.
- kmw4631

If breadman takes #1 LW then all the hawks need is a #2 LW

Seems like a lot of quality depth pieces upfront and on D are out in the open now and were not qualified , I think maybe the Blackhawks might have a plan huh ? Seems even the average clubs are not wanting to pay 2m to bottom 6 contributors . The Blackhawks might be ok after all . Might be able to pay a 1 LW for 4.5 per and then fill out the roster with nice pieces at 1m each.
- mrpaulish

According to generalfanger we have 6.39 mil in cap space and need to sign 4 forwards and at least one D man. Not sure how we pay a forward 4.5 mil.... Cap numbers could be off on the site though.

It has us currently with 9 forwards on the cap and 6 d-men (not counting Kempny not sure what his cap hit is).

Maybe we can squeeze a left wing at 2.5 mil but not much more than that.

According to generalfanger we have 6.39 mil in cap space and need to sign 4 forwards and at least one D man. Not sure how we pay a forward 4.5 mil.... Cap numbers could be off on the site though.

It has us currently with 9 forwards on the cap and 6 d-men (not counting Kempny not sure what his cap hit is).

Maybe we can squeeze a left wing at 2.5 mil but not much more than that.
- bhawks2241

According to General Fanager he is at a cap hit of 700k. Pretty darn solid.