You're off on your numbers by about $1m. Once they sign the 13th forward (I used $1m place-holder), and count BOTH Gus and Sved to get to 7 D, they have about $1.9m left.

That's straight from a spreadsheet with exact numbers.
- Cmonalready

1. Gus is on a two-way deal so its Rockford and salary shuffle there
2. The $3-4MM actual can be used to find a LW

Like I have said all along, Q is going to have actually COACH this year, and not just line blend.

The problem I still have with all the flash and dash you do get with Forsberg is the fact he in my humble opinion, doesn't hold pucks well, win enough puck battles or make impact player decsions in his carries.

SIX million ...just another on-the-job training program salary and another team that will have an ownership group crying for the Cap to rise...when they get that reality check the Hawks have dealt with times three...

Shaw long term for 4 million (not that totally phoney other figure) and Forsberg 6 million...

I like where are money is invested...
- wiz1901

Per @frank_seravalli (TSN) Twitter:
Filip Forsberg does not have any no-trade or no-move protection in the final year of his new deal with #preds.

So some flexibility for management there (red font) year six anyway...

See, that's where I disagree. While not advocating for this deal. I can see where they see more upside with Moore as he is a better athlete. Again, Oduya and his development curve in Chicago is a somewhat rough comparison. Great athlete, flourished under Q, with some patience. And Oduya had bounced around too.

TVR is in some ways getting the most out of what God gave him today.
- John Jaeckel

It is really hard to make it in the league as a D' without good recovery speed and burst with the puck. TVR does all of the "head" game well for a young guy (reading plays, knowing when to pinch). I'm with JJ, it's just hard to see this guy having the physical ability to grow past a "bottom pair" type of guy

I had heard earlier the Hawks were high on his list, if not high-est. Not sure where it would stand today and haven't heard anything yet. They have a spot for him.
- John Jaeckel

All the more reason to get Panarin signed to an extension make him happy and get his centerman here...

Hey John hope the back is holding up...I've got the sciatica happening with the lower back left leg...its been a joy. Hang in there...and keep up the great work!

Forsberg resigns with Preds. 6 yr 6 mil per
- ikeane

Que up Kantana777's post about every team eventually getting to the cap limit and position the Hawks are in

Que up Kantana777's post about every team eventually getting to the cap limit and position the Hawks are in
- vabeachbear

And then 2 years from now the owners are gonna come back with the we are broke song..

He can play both, but I think he's better on the left side.
- DarthKane

Hawks have a need there. Much prefer Higgins over Mash. Wonder if he would take a deal under a mil. Speedy and feisty. Seems to be a real team player

Sounds like JJ is trying to get out of doing his "honey do" list...
- Beaks99

Ha, I wish.

Ha, I wish.
- John Jaeckel

Happy wife, happy life sir!

(Just as long as we still get our scoop)

It is really hard to make it in the league as a D' without good recovery speed and burst with the puck. TVR does all of the "head" game well for a young guy (reading plays, knowing when to pinch). I'm with JJ, it's just hard to see this guy having the physical ability to grow past a "bottom pair" type of guy
- phantasmo

I see him as a third pair guy on a good, deep blue line and a guy you can pair with a higher pairing guy in a pinch or if it makes sense in terms of balance/sticks.

I think "burst" is really the issue. He's smart, he's versatile, really has a nice feel for when and how to pinch. I just think he was exposed in in the StL series when speed was coming at him.

I see TVR as a third pair guy on a good, deep blue line and a guy you can pair with a higher pairing guy in a pinch or if it makes sense in terms of balance/sticks.

I think "burst" is really the issue. He's smart, he's versatile, really has a nice feel for when and how to pinch. I just think he was exposed in in the StL series when speed was coming at him.
- John Jaeckel

I totally agree...you cn love TvR all you want when he is moving...he really is so good in his touches and receives in motion, but you have to wonder just how / if he could even work and improve the leg drive by a lot.
Moore on the other hand has wheels, but his head and decisions, gap control, haven't improved. Is a new Devil coaching staff (minus Larry Robinson) the issue?

I am trying to observe this Moore deal and you have to think that New jersey can't sit in mediocrity much longer and when I look at their prospect stable, you could argue after centre Pavel Zacha, Defender Steve Santini and Joe Blandisi, they are woefully week at the forward position in their farm while the Blackhawk's Rockford has more than one RFA who the Hawks could hand over filler forwards but what else Cap cheap and ready comes back to fill the bottom forward positions in Chicago?

New Jersey has all of four forwards under contract, and will be out looking hard for players....

QO's due by 4:00 central today, did McNeill receive a QO?

I am very unsure and concerned about how this would pan out, but if a Kruger trade frees up more than half his salary, and the Hawks are able to sign Ship for relatively cheap, then one hole is filled (potential 1LW/2C) and one is created (3C/shutdown center). AA is not exactly a shutdown guy IMO.

This is a rough offseason. Crawford makes the team better, but losing his cap hit allows other significant holes to be filled (1LW and 4-5D man). If a cheap Campbell signing is possible, the D core is in check. AA or Crawford seem to be the best trade options.

Still think a John Moore trade is worth it. If not, keeping TVR is still a good spot to be in.

I am very unsure and concerned about how this would pan out, but if a Kruger trade frees up more than half his salary, and the Hawks are able to sign Ship for relatively cheap, then one hole is filled (potential 1LW/2C) and one is created (3C/shutdown center). AA is not exactly a shutdown guy IMO.

This is a rough offseason. Crawford makes the team better, but losing his cap hit allows other significant holes to be filled (1LW and 4-5D man). If a cheap Campbell signing is possible, the D core is in check. AA or Crawford seem to be the best trade options.

Still think a John Moore trade is worth it. If not, keeping TVR is still a good spot to be in.
- 93Joe

To your point, Joe, how many Russian centers do we need to have to keep Panarin happy? I know nothing of Ship's game and have been a vocal detractor of AA. I would think they might be to $$$ heavy at C without a shutdown guy. So....do you just stand firm with Kruger?

Looking at this Moore for TVR possibility, when I compare the two players, each has their deficiency. However, what is easier to improve on?

With TVR - smart player, but to improve he has to work on his foot speed, especially explosiveness. Is he maxed out ability wise, or is this something that he can continue to improve on to round out his game. You got to love his smarts on the defensive side of the ice however.

With Moore, it seems like he has all the tools, but hockey smarts seems to be the issue. Is this something he can improve on under the right system, or is this just the hockey player he is?

Unfortunately, we can't merge the two players into one and take Moore's physically attributes and TVR's smarts.

QO's due by 4:00 central today, did McNeill receive a QO?
- walleyeb1

It would be a waste of an asset not to give McNeill a QO, but I'd say it's 50/50.

I totally agree...you cn love TvR all you want when he is moving...he really is so good in his touches and receives in motion, but you have to wonder just how / if he could even work and improve the leg drive by a lot.
Moore on the other hand has wheels, but his head and decisions, gap control, haven't improved. Is a new Devil coaching staff (minus Larry Robinson) the issue?

I am trying to observe this Moore deal and you have to think that New jersey can't sit in mediocrity much longer and when I look at their prospect stable, you could argue after centre Pavel Zacha, Defender Steve Santini and Joe Blandisi, they are woefully week at the forward position in their farm while the Blackhawk's Rockford has more than one RFA who the Hawks could hand over filler forwards but what else Cap cheap and ready comes back to fill the bottom forward positions in Chicago?

New Jersey has all of four forwards under contract, and will be out looking hard for players....
- wiz1901

It sounds like the way to look at this potential trade is by what you're trying to accomplish. If you're thinking could this make the team better in a year or two, it makes some sense. On the other if you're looking at will it immediately make the team better, then I'm not so sure. Especially since you're doubling player salary.

Looking at this Moore for TVR possibility, when I compare the two players, each has their deficiency. However, what is easier to improve on?

With TVR - smart player, but to improve he has to work on his foot speed, especially explosiveness. Is he maxed out ability wise, or is this something that he can continue to improve on to round out his game. You got to love his smarts on the defensive side of the ice however.

With Moore, it seems like he has all the tools, but hockey smarts seems to be the issue. Is this something he can improve on under the right system, or is this just the hockey player he is?

Unfortunately, we can't merge the two players into one and take Moore's physically attributes and TVR's smarts.
- spudrock512

Historically, such efforts don't work out well ....

To your point, Joe, how many Russian centers do we need to have to keep Panarin happy? I know nothing of Ship's game and have been a vocal detractor of AA. I would think they might be to $$$ heavy at C without a shutdown guy. So....do you just stand firm with Kruger?
- phantasmo

I like your POV Phant, thanks. My point is not to keep Panarin happy, but to fill the roster with good depth while dealing the least damage. I am also of the belief that you can never have too many centers because they have better transitions than wingers. I personally think, which my hockey knowledge is very limited and amateur at best, you stay with Kruger and deal other players to fill the depth. The Shaw loss will sting, but a Kruger one will have quite a bit more IMO.

I totally agree...you cn love TvR all you want when he is moving...he really is so good in his touches and receives in motion, but you have to wonder just how / if he could even work and improve the leg drive by a lot.
Moore on the other hand has wheels, but his head and decisions, gap control, haven't improved. Is a new Devil coaching staff (minus Larry Robinson) the issue?

I am trying to observe this Moore deal and you have to think that New jersey can't sit in mediocrity much longer and when I look at their prospect stable, you could argue after centre Pavel Zacha, Defender Steve Santini and Joe Blandisi, they are woefully week at the forward position in their farm while the Blackhawk's Rockford has more than one RFA who the Hawks could hand over filler forwards but what else Cap cheap and ready comes back to fill the bottom forward positions in Chicago?

New Jersey has all of four forwards under contract, and will be out looking hard for players....
- wiz1901

Does the Devils have a de prospect that we can send a hog to get that would make it worth it? Or does stan try to get them to retain salary

I see him as a third pair guy on a good, deep blue line and a guy you can pair with a higher pairing guy in a pinch or if it makes sense in terms of balance/sticks.

I think "burst" is really the issue. He's smart, he's versatile, really has a nice feel for when and how to pinch. I just think he was exposed in in the StL series when speed was coming at him.
- John Jaeckel

I'd probably agree that TVR is a solid 3rd paring guy who can fill in at #4 admirably for short spells on a good team (he played 4D on a team that accumulated the 6th most points in the league last year). But IMO that's a solid and useful player with it coming down to salary.

Size and skating are a combination that any evaluator loves and Moore has that. I can see any team looking at Moore and wondering if they have a fix for his deficiencies (like Oduya?). He did put up 47 points in the OHL as a 19yr old.

IMO the time to get Moore was at last year's TDL. No doubt he'd be in that 3rd pairing in the loss to STL in Game 7 and would have been a much better option than one of Gus or Rundblad. Maybe enough to get em to the next round.

I'd probably agree that TVR is a solid 3rd paring guy who can fill in at #4 admirably for short spells on a good team (he played 4D on a team that accumulated the 6th most points in the league last year). But IMO that's a solid and useful player with it coming down to salary.

Size and skating are a combination that any evaluator loves and Moore has that. I can see any team looking at Moore and wondering if they have a fix for his deficiencies (like Oduya?). He did put up 47 points in the OHL as a 19yr old.

IMO the time to get Moore was at last year's TDL. No doubt he'd be in that 3rd pairing in the loss to STL in Game 7 and would have been a much better option than one of Gus or Rundblad. Maybe enough to get em to the next round.
- Mr Ricochet

Guess I'm on the fence about the potential trade, just trying to figure out how helps the cap at all.

Everyday, the discussion goes on and on about this guy or that guy. No offense to anyone about these debates, I just don't see how any trade that takes on more cap hit is really feasible.

Good.....


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Mark McNeill has been given a qualifying offer from the Blackhawks.

@byscottpowers Mark McNeill has been given a qualifying offer from the Blackhawks.

Guess I'm on the fence about the potential trade, just trying to figure out how helps the cap at all.

Everyday, the discussion goes on and on about this guy or that guy. No offense to anyone about these debates, I just don't see how any trade that takes on more cap hit is really feasible.
- vabeachbear

JJ, is your source indicating that TVR->Moore is a "discussion", or this "Plan A"? To me, it looks like the Hawks would have incremental salary if no other moves were made.

As far as we the avid readers see it, you can 1) keep TVR and add Campbell at a discount (hopefully) as a bottom pair or 2) spend more $$$ in a swap for Moore and then backfill TVR's postion with a Gus/ved/blad monster