Common denominator for the teams successes
And why not just look at the impressive resumes they both had coming into their jobs. - nyisles7
More than a few agents and players may not be able to look past the backup goalie thing and hiring Cappy as coach. Hopefully it's not the case, but who knows? Serious questions will need to be asked and by the new owners if the Isles are rejected by top FA's this time.
No, I am saying if he signs here instead of somewhere else because of that trade....AND it works out to be a great fit. Meaning He and JT go nuts and have a great season and playoff run.... Then it COULD work out.
My point was Snow made one aggressive move and the same people crying He doesn't do enough are still complaining about that trade.
Leddy, Boychuk, Halak, Greiss, Berube, Prince (for a 3rd)... Does he get any credit for any of these moves? - niteislander
I'll give you Leddy and Boychuk, but the rest of those signings are eh. Furthermore, if a team doesn't get better each year, how does one give credit? This is a results business......and they havent really had any. To add insult to injury, its very possible this team regresses if they dont address the many needs.
Snows been at the helm how many years, and we're still all waiting for a winner.
The talk was Garth did nothing that offseason and then made the Vanek trade and did nothing else like add D or a goalie or fire Cappy.
The Isles may need to move out Garth and Cappy just to get the Wang stink away from this team. If the Isles strike out again with FA's, we cannot look any further than Cappy and Garth. These two are the two biggest things that have not changed for years. - ses111
That was perplexing that snow made the trade for Vanek when at the time we needed a goaltender and a defenseman (or two). Most of us were okay with the deal if further moves to address those weaknesses followed it, but they never came. Instead of dealing with where the team was weak, snow made the one deal and stopped at that. Still made absolutely no sense to me why he left it there. I was okay with the trade (didn’t love it, but it wasn’t horrible) unless that was the only move, and when it was, I was more irritated he hadn’t made the trades he needed to rather than be frustrated at what we gave up for vanek.
That said, vanek now isn’t going to help us. That bridge got burned.
No, I am saying if he signs here instead of somewhere else because of that trade....AND it works out to be a great fit. Meaning He and JT go nuts and have a great season and playoff run.... Then it COULD work out.
My point was Snow made one aggressive move and the same people crying He doesn't do enough are still complaining about that trade.
Leddy, Boychuk, Halak, Greiss, Berube, Prince (for a 3rd)... Does he get any credit for any of these moves? - niteislander
Berube and Prince? Come on man. Leddy and Boychuk fell into his lap because of cap restraints. Yeah he got them and he deserves credit for that and I'll also say like I always have Snow has done some good. BUT the bad out weighs the good and players around the league see the unprofessionalism. Believe me they do and that's why we are at the bottom of UFA'S and players lists and that's because of our GM not the building.
I still say he makes some moves and who knows maybe Jupiter is in line with Mars and it may even be helpful but lets stop with the excuses it's (frank)ing tiring. It's not the building. The guy has done very little to deserve the loyalty he gets from some fans. It makes some of you look like gullible fools it's hard to watch.
Vanek shouldn't even be a thought for so many reasons I won't even get into it I can't believe you even mention that as a viable option.
No, I am saying if he signs here instead of somewhere else because of that trade....AND it works out to be a great fit. Meaning He and JT go nuts and have a great season and playoff run.... Then it COULD work out.
My point was Snow made one aggressive move and the same people crying He doesn't do enough are still complaining about that trade.
Leddy, Boychuk, Halak, Greiss, Berube, Prince (for a 3rd)... Does he get any credit for any of these moves? - niteislander
Hate to break it to u, but Snow got severely lucky on Leddy & Boychuk bc of other teams cap issue. But if u take those 2 guys out, what has he done well?
I'll tell u, pluck a few gems for a couple of seasons off the waiver wire & draft, that's it...........
That was perplexing that snow made the trade for Vanek when at the time we needed a goaltender and a defenseman (or two). Most of us were okay with the deal if further moves to address those weaknesses followed it, but they never came. Instead of dealing with where the team was weak, snow made the one deal and stopped at that. Still made absolutely no sense to me why he left it there. I was okay with the trade (didn’t love it, but it wasn’t horrible) unless that was the only move, and when it was, I was more irritated he hadn’t made the trades he needed to rather than be frustrated at what we gave up for vanek.
That said, vanek now isn’t going to help us. That bridge got burned. - Isles_since_6
Many of us supported the deal because we thought it was the first of more moves from Garth. Garth sure talked like he was not happy with the team at the time of the trade. Weight at least should have taken over for Cappy that year. We could have at least found out about Weight for sure as a coach.
Hate to break it to u, but Snow got severely lucky on Leddy & Boychuk bc of other teams cap issue. But if u take those 2 guys out, what has he done well?
I'll tell u, pluck a few gems for a couple of seasons off the waiver wire & draft, that's it........... - Ur Not Me
Many of us supported the deal because we thought it was the first of more moves from Garth. Garth sure talked like he was not happy with the team at the time of the trade. Weight at least should have taken over for Cappy that year. We could have at least found out about Weight for sure as a coach. - ses111
I think we've seen enough of Weight to form an opinion of his capability as a coach. He's just a guy these other guys like hanging out with. That's why he still has a job. Any other team in the league would have shat canned him after that series against the Caps if not sooner.
Hate to break it to u, but Snow got severely lucky on Leddy & Boychuk bc of other teams cap issue. But if u take those 2 guys out, what has he done well?
I'll tell u, pluck a few gems for a couple of seasons off the waiver wire & draft, that's it........... - Ur Not Me
Come on. You don't have to like the guy in any sense, but you can't just take anything good he's done and write it off because of some excuse. If you're not going to accept excuses for him not signing or trading for big name players, then you can't use them to discredit the ones he did pick up.
I think we've seen enough of Weight to form an opinion of his capability as a coach. He's just a guy these other guys like hanging out with. That's why he still has a job. Any other team in the league would have shat canned him after that series against the Caps if not sooner. - Cptmjl
I agree now I would not hire him. I would have let him take over for Cappy back then though. At least it would have been something.
Hate to break it to u, but Snow got severely lucky on Leddy & Boychuk bc of other teams cap issue. But if u take those 2 guys out, what has he done well?
I'll tell u, pluck a few gems for a couple of seasons off the waiver wire & draft, that's it........... - Ur Not Me
Hate to break it to u, but Snow got severely lucky on Leddy & Boychuk bc of other teams cap issue. But if u take those 2 guys out, what has he done well?
I'll tell u, pluck a few gems for a couple of seasons off the waiver wire & draft, that's it........... - Ur Not Me
And to me his drafting has had mixed results. I know that's the case with drafting for the most part but I can't stand when people blow smoke up his arse for his drafting prowess. He has been at this for a VERY long g time with limited success and some bad and some still unproven top 5 picks. To me this draft was an abortion I don't get how any GM can seek out 5'8" players most from Russia and expect weighted results in their favor? To me it's (frank)ing strange
Hate to break it to u, but Snow got severely lucky on Leddy & Boychuk bc of other teams cap issue. But if u take those 2 guys out, what has he done well?
I'll tell u, pluck a few gems for a couple of seasons off the waiver wire & draft, that's it........... - Ur Not Me
Leddy and boychuk were fantastic moves. Getting both when a good number of gms didn't even know they were available was a great job. He hasn't done enough otherwise, but that does deserve credit.
And to me his drafting has had mixed results. I know that's the case with drafting for the most part but I can't stand when people blow smoke up his arse for his drafting prowess. He has been at this for a VERY long g time with limited success and some bad and some still unproven top 5 picks. To me this draft was an abortion I don't get how any GM can seek out 5'8" players most from Russia and expect weighted results in their favor? To me it's (frank)ing strange - Cptmjl
Having the right coach could have made his draft's look even better. This is the strangest thing. You are building the team through prospects so you need a proven coach to guide them along.
Leddy and boychuk were fantastic moves. Getting both when a good number of gms didn't even know they were available was a great job. He hasn't done enough otherwise, but that does deserve credit. - Isles_since_6
Especially considering what Leddy's become for the Isles. Most of us were kind of ticked off when it looked like we were only going to get him. Getting Boychuk also was awesome, but you can make a case now that Leddy is the one who's become the #1 d-man on the team.
Having the right coach could have made his draft's look even better. This is the strangest thing. You are building the team through prospects so you need a proven coach to guide them along. - ses111
I agree but that to me is what's the most frustrating thing about Snow. He drafts these kids in the top 5 and trusts this (frank)ing idiot to develop them properly. How can anyone get around that and how can any fan expect the results to be good?
I agree but that to me is what's the most frustrating thing about Snow. He drafts these kids in the top 5 and trusts this (frank)ing idiot to develop them properly. How can anyone get around that and how can any fan expect the results to be good? - Cptmjl
Cappy will be Garth's downfall. The way Garth got the job, the last thing he needed was hiring a lousy coach like Cappy and then sticking with him all this time.
Come on. You don't have to like the guy in any sense, but you can't just take anything good he's done and write it off because of some excuse. If you're not going to accept excuses for him not signing or trading for big name players, then you can't use them to discredit the ones he did pick up. - eichiefs9
My biggest issue with Blowjob isn't even what I posted my issue is him not understanding the type of roster he has plus not able to see if a player peeked to move on from....
Comeau, KO, Franz, PAP all should have been dealt when they had their career year
Especially considering what Leddy's become for the Isles. Most of us were kind of ticked off when it looked like we were only going to get him. Getting Boychuk also was awesome, but you can make a case now that Leddy is the one who's become the #1 d-man on the team. - UIF
When we got Leddy I wasn't expecting him to be the player he was and I doubt anyone else did least of all the Hawks. If they did they would have found a way to keep him but Snow absolutely deserves credit for getting him.
Leddy and boychuk were fantastic moves. Getting both when a good number of gms didn't even know they were available was a great job. He hasn't done enough otherwise, but that does deserve credit. - Isles_since_6
And to me his drafting has had mixed results. I know that's the case with drafting for the most part but I can't stand when people blow smoke up his arse for his drafting prowess. He has been at this for a VERY long g time with limited success and some bad and some still unproven top 5 picks. To me this draft was an abortion I don't get how any GM can seek out 5'8" players most from Russia and expect weighted results in their favor? To me it's (frank)ing strange - Cptmjl
Come on Capt. Those talented Russians drafted in later rounds by Snow that were steals have worked out unbelievably well for the Islanders.
Gotta think when Snow gets fired ( sooner the better for me ) he may wind up as a GM for a KHL team.
Cappy will be Garth's downfall. The way Garth got the job, the last thing he needed was hiring a lousy coach like Cappy and then sticking with him all this time. - ses111
Snow will be Snow's down fall and rightfully so. He'll do something btn now and October but if it's not enough I see these guys getting rid of him and I will be a happy man. This team will never go anywhere with this guy behind the bench and he's not going anywhere until his friend gets fired. It's that simple can't turn a blind eye to the stupidity of our coach while he lost us another series with moronic coaching decisions.
And to me his drafting has had mixed results. I know that's the case with drafting for the most part but I can't stand when people blow smoke up his arse for his drafting prowess. He has been at this for a VERY long g time with limited success and some bad and some still unproven top 5 picks. To me this draft was an abortion I don't get how any GM can seek out 5'8" players most from Russia and expect weighted results in their favor? To me it's (frank)ing strange - Cptmjl
Since the Strome draft and after, Snow has fallen in draft aspects. Idk why but it seems like he's not finding those consistent gems .....
