Middling d-man, fringe NHLer/AHLer, and a middle round pick (depending if Price is injured or not) doesn't get you a Jeff Carter.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The Montreal factor is key when evaluating player's values

Don't need 1st line players... Gallagher is on it ffs, and what if galchenyuk regresses cause you know the games might matter which is when he was strug-o-ling.
- mr.peanut

What if? We're playing that game? Ok... what if Pacioretty nets his regular 35 and Galchenyuk repeats the 30+ he had last year and Gallagher stays healthy and hits the 30 he was on pace for last year?
That's 3 30 goal scorers.... how many teams had 3 of those last year?

The Montreal factor is key when evaluating player's values
- mr.peanut

Apparently.

Vanek
- mr.peanut

I said top line player

Middling d-man, fringe NHLer/AHLer, and a middle round pick (depending if Price is injured or not) doesn't get you a Jeff Carter.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

It does when the team trading him can't take actual salary back

I didn't say I was happy about it. Just pointing out what reality is. Habs don't have the cap space to land a top line player.
- cburgess

You have Marc Bergevin as GM. We all know the guy won't give up any value to get a decent player. He sort of tried with Vanek way back and that didn't turn out awful well. He's afraid to make a big move.

It does when the team trading him can't take actual salary back
- obie

No, but they can acquire better prospects then what the habs have to offer

It does when the team trading him can't take actual salary back
- obie

So because he has a big salary, he can be had for spare parts? I'd agree with you if he career was sort of going the wrong way (similar to Dion Phanuef coming to Ottawa), but Jeff Carter is still a perennial goal scorer in this league on a defensive minded team. Going to have to pony up a little more than that.

You have Marc Bergevin as GM. We all know the guy won't give up any value to get a decent player. He sort of tried with Vanek way back and that didn't turn out awful well. He's afraid to make a big move.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

No I think he thinks that they are close to contending for a cup. In his eyes you have a goalie capable of stealing 16 games in the playoffs. No need of blowing a team up when your that close. Not saying I agree with it, but just convinced that's where Bergevin is at.

What if? We're playing that game? Ok... what if Pacioretty nets his regular 35 and Galchenyuk repeats the 30+ he had last year and Gallagher stays healthy and hits the 30 he was on pace for last year?
That's 3 30 goal scorers.... how many teams had 3 of those last year?
- obie

I didn't question what pacioretty can do

I didn't make up what Gallagher could do

I placed galchenyuk in a situation where he was for the first 3½ seasons of his career and not expect a ½ season where the team was out of it to be his new norm. When saying a player could be more like he was for 77.5% of his career it's not a game of what ifs it's playing the odds.

So because he has a big salary, he can be had for spare parts? I'd agree with you if he career was sort of going the wrong way (similar to Dion Phanuef coming to Ottawa), but Jeff Carter is still a perennial goal scorer in this league on a defensive minded team. Going to have to pony up a little more than that.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

If you see that package as spare parts than this conversation is really going nowhere

I said top line player
- cburgess

Well Gallagher is one, apparently, so..

Well Gallagher is one, apparently, so..
- mr.peanut

Theres a difference between a top line F and a top 6 winger...

No I think he thinks that they are close to contending for a cup. In his eyes you have a goalie capable of stealing 16 games in the playoffs. No need of blowing a team up when your that close. Not saying I agree with it, but just convinced that's where Bergevin is at.
- cburgess

I don't disagree with that. It's been the trend for several years now. It's honestly baffling he still has a job. The majority of the roster is still guys that he had nothing to do with being on the team. He has brought in very little support for those players. But since you can only have french speaking GMs, I guess you have slim pickings.

Theres a difference between a top line F and a top 6 winger...
- obie

Well you crowned him a 30 goal scorer, so...

Well you crowned him a 30 goal scorer, so...
- mr.peanut

i most certainly did not...

Theres a difference between a top line F and a top 6 winger...
- obie

There is also a difference between a top 6 fw and a top 6 fw on the habs. It's the top 6 guys that might know how to do something with the puck. The other 6 are just minutes eaters and don't do a whole lot.

If you see that package as spare parts than this conversation is really going nowhere
- obie

Beaulieu is a good d-man. Not really a back bone guy, but a decent #3/4 guy. Mccarron is just a throw in. You could throw in several other AHL guys in his spot. His only a big body. The 1st is tricky cause you have Price in a mediocre Eastern Conference. Probably ends up around 16-20th overall if Price is healthy. You'll draft another Mccarron at that point.

and Gallagher stays healthy and hits the 30 he was on pace for last year?
- obie[/Quote]

K I'm gonna enjoy the weather, bye!

There is also a difference between a top 6 fw and a top 6 fw on the habs. It's the top 6 guys that might know how to do something with the puck. The other 6 are just minutes eaters and don't do a whole lot.
- cburgess

What is a top 6 F? By definition only its the best 180 forwards in the league and the fact that hes being considered for team Canada tells me Gallagher is probably in that group of 180

Beaulieu is a good d-man. Not really a back bone guy, but a decent #3/4 guy. Mccarron is just a throw in. You could throw in several other AHL guys in his spot. His only a big body. The 1st is tricky cause you have Price in a mediocre Eastern Conference. Probably ends up around 16-20th overall if Price is healthy. You'll draft another Mccarron at that point.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The teams who could afford Carter, need Carter and hed actually consider going to would be pretty limited... any way you slice it, those 3 assets would be a very attractive package to a team who cant take any salary back, its pobably a better return than what Toronto got for Kessel

What is a top 6 F? By definition only its the best 180 forwards in the league and the fact that hes being considered for team Canada tells me Gallagher is probably in that group of 180
- obie

Well, you can't go 6 x 30 and say that's how many top 6 forwards there are for starters. In my opinion a top 6 forward is capable of getting 50-60 points (or more) on a regular basis.

That said, I think Gallagher is in the mix. He can score and get under peoples skin. He was on pace to have a real good year last year. He's a player I hate, but I would love to have him on my team. I think he has the stuff to get 50-60 points on a fairly consistent basis. He's only 24.

Well, you can't go 6 x 30 and say that's how many top 6 forwards there are for starters. In my opinion a top 6 forward is capable of getting 50-60 points (or more) on a regular basis.

That said, I think Gallagher is in the mix. He can score and get under peoples skin. He was on pace to have a real good year last year. He's a player I hate, but I would love to have him on my team. I think he has the stuff to get 50-60 points on a fairly consistent basis. He's only 24.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

So hes a legitimate top 6 forward... which was my point

So hes a legitimate top 6 forward... which was my point
- obie

Probably best suites to be on the 2nd line. Unfortunately habs expect him to be a top line player.