#Habs and Andrew Shaw have come to terms on a 7 year, 30.45 million dollar contract. $4.35 Million AAV.
- golfbard

It wouldn't have happened, but an offer sheet for that would have brought back a first, second, and third.

#Habs and Andrew Shaw have come to terms on a 7 year, 30.45 million dollar contract. $4.35 Million AAV.
- golfbard

Source?

So who at centre do they plug in?
- blackhawk24

Someone for about half the amount and use the other money elsewhere....I would take a chance those two wingers will be able to produce with someone not as good as AA.

Way safer and easier than dealing Crawford or Seabrook.

#Habs and Andrew Shaw have come to terms on a 7 year, 30.45 million dollar contract. $4.35 Million AAV.
- golfbard

Good god

#Habs and Andrew Shaw have come to terms on a 7 year, 30.45 million dollar contract. $4.35 Million AAV.
- golfbard

Fake account

Al, how much doe do they have exactly, not countin the Panarin Extention? I thought they had about 11 mill ,right? Now regarding AA, he is the "big" center this team coveted for years, ya trade him ,especially after his line mates win the hardware, now you look like a real jackass in the Saad deal, Kruger is who they should be looking to deal, given they need space and probably with a little seasoning have a center in the system to slot in.
Look, I like Milan Lucic since the kid came in the league,but with in reason, not something stupid. I would consider it a sucess if they got aggressive and came home with McGinn, Martin and Campbell. Figure 8 mill for those 3players. The other factor is Toews ,he does not want a bother season of "auditions" or stone hands on his wings plus McD is right in Stan's ear about getting Toews what he needs.so who knows??? Puzzling here.
- wonthecup10

No not that much...JJ had it the other day...Maybe half.

#Habs and Andrew Shaw have come to terms on a 7 year, 30.45 million dollar contract. $4.35 Million AAV.
- golfbard

It sounded like he would have signed a shorter term for less money to stay...But can't blame Shaw. Bottom line my bet is Bowman wasn't going to pay Shaw $3.5 mill per...

That's feasible because they lost Oduya to save $400k!!!

Anybody got the actual breakdown of the doe left ? And please no more fricken Versteeg. Not out of the Question to strike out all together next week, setting up for a potential miss the playoff season,and a potential lottery pick in the 17 draft.....................held in Chicago!!!!!! Hmmm as the world turns!!!!

Anybody got the actual breakdown of the doe left ? And please no more fricken Versteeg. Not out of the Question to strike out all together next week, setting up for a potential miss the playoff season,and a potential lottery pick in the 17 draft.....................held in Chicago!!!!!! Hmmm as the world turns!!!!
- wonthecup10

There's some good stuff in JJ blogs...This is from today...
....$67.2 million in cap hit, or about $5.8 million to fill 4 positions....

Yep, but his value is lower -- probably closer to the $2.2m he counted against the cap in Chicago, Carolina, and Los Angeles after Florida retained half his salary.

Left wing. Has been successful here (at times, anyway). Has pretty solid possession numbers. Very possibly can be had cheaply. Why not?

I don't see how the Hawks manage to pick up a true 1LW without moving $$$. They're going to have to fill out the roster with guys they pick up from the bargain bin. If Versteeg's cheap enough, they could do a hell of a lot worse.
- darklighter

I think you could get Versteeg back for a low price...knows the system...I know Mr. P doesn't care for him (to put it lightly)...but this team has very little cap space.
And unless you're prepared to move Anisimov, Kruger, or CC...this is the price for having a team of winners and having to pay them with a hard cap. Deservedly so.

As far as Shaw congrats to him. He got a good deal and worked hard for it. As we've discussed who knows how long his body holds out. Meantime you've lost a key piece of your offense and a fan favorite.

Yep, but his value is lower -- probably closer to the $2.2m he counted against the cap in Chicago, Carolina, and Los Angeles after Florida retained half his salary.

Left wing. Has been successful here (at times, anyway). Has pretty solid possession numbers. Very possibly can be had cheaply. Why not?

I don't see how the Hawks manage to pick up a true 1LW without moving $$$. They're going to have to fill out the roster with guys they pick up from the bargain bin. If Versteeg's cheap enough, they could do a hell of a lot worse.
- darklighter

This will be the kind of guy barring moving a core piece that fills a top 6 spot. Might not be specifically Versteeg but a player like him......

I wonder if they'll kick the tires on Mike Richards as a vet bottom 6 guy.

FLA moved Kulikov to BUFF today, Gubrandson moved out a week ago so that may mean they have room for Campbell.

My view is the one to go should be AA....I would take my chance the wingers on that line can function with another center for about 1/2 the cost.

I still say there is a chance he can go...Otherwise the Hawks are married to him for the foreseeable future.

IMO-Chances of either of the other two being dealt is less than 10%.
- Al

What's the status of his NMC? Does he have one right now or does it kick in before the season starts?

There's some good stuff in JJ blogs...This is from today...
....$67.2 million in cap hit, or about $5.8 million to fill 4 positions....
- Al

Tlustly? One year deal. Some offensive skill. Language buddy for Kempney

Versteeg? You guys have to be kidding me.

The 'Hawks traded him twice. You think that he won't take that into account when he's considering his offers? If I'm him, I don't even look at Chicago as a plausible landing spot.

There's two ways the 'Hawks can approach the off-season from here:

(1) Keep the current roster intact. You have to fill 6 spots with ~$6.4 million. But that's not taking into account Kempny who will make the team at a $700K cap hit; Lundberg who is a $630K cap hit; and for our sake, let's assume that both Motte and Schmaltz make the big league team at $925K a piece. You're looking at about $3.18 mil of available cap being used. That leaves the team with over $3.2 mil in cap space to fill two roster spots (for veterans). Let's hypothetically speaking assume that Campbell signs a one-year, $1.5 mil dollar discount deal with the 'Hawks. That would leave the team with under $2 mil to sign another vet. What vet can you get to sign for that much? Likely one who is looking to win a championship before he retires. So obviously that excludes the younger wingers, we're talking about a veteran who hopefully is willing to take significantly less to have a chance to compete (think Tanguay, Hudler, etc.)

(2) You find a suitor for Crawford. Obviously the number of teams that are looking for a starting goalie isn't very high, with Toronto and Calgary filling their voids. If the 'Hawks were able to send Crawford to a team like the NYI without having to take back salary, you would create $6 mil in cap space, which is a lot more breathing room, but at the same time, part of that is going to have to go towards a veteran goalie willing to compete/backup with Darling. That wiggle room, however, allows the team to find a more competent fit for that gaping first line LW hole.

Here's what the team could look like in EITHER scenario:

Scenario (1):

Hudler - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - Moose/Lundberg

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Craw
Darling

Scenario (2):

McGinn - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - cheap vet you can ink (or Moose/Lundberg)

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Darling
(Backup vet goalie)


Personally speaking, considering where the 'Hawks stand in regards to available cap space, players like Lucic, Ladd, etc. just aren't going to be squeezed in unless both Crawford AND either Kruger/AA get moved. It's just impossible. So what that means is that you'll only be able to throw around $3.5 million for a player like McGinn in the hopes of him becoming a competent first line LW player.

To me, the difference between a McGinn and a Hudler/Tanguay isn't that drastic. The only thing that entices me about a McGinn is his ability to use his body and provide a gritty, big-body presence. The impact on offense would be similar to that of a Hudler/Tanguay. With that being said, the difference between Craw starting and Darling/other vet is noticeable, however.

If it was up to me, I would opt to stick with what we have, bring 1-2 kids up, and bring in two veterans to help as band-aids.

Sorry folks, there's just not a whole lot that the team can do, regardless of what Stan tells the media. Unless the front office miraculously finds a way to be creative, what you see is what you'll get. Don't keep your hopes up.

Versteeg? You guys have to be kidding me.

The 'Hawks traded him twice. You think that he won't take that into account when he's considering his offers? If I'm him, I don't even look at Chicago as a plausible landing spot.

There's two ways the 'Hawks can approach the off-season from here:

(1) Keep the current roster intact. You have to fill 6 spots with ~$6.4 million. But that's not taking into account Kempny who will make the team at a $700K cap hit; Lundberg who is a $630K cap hit; and for our sake, let's assume that both Motte and Schmaltz make the big league team at $925K a piece. You're looking at about $3.18 mil of available cap being used. That leaves the team with over $3.2 mil in cap space to fill two roster spots (for veterans). Let's hypothetically speaking assume that Campbell signs a one-year, $1.5 mil dollar discount deal with the 'Hawks. That would leave the team with under $2 mil to sign another vet. What vet can you get to sign for that much? Likely one who is looking to win a championship before he retires. So obviously that excludes the younger wingers, we're talking about a veteran who hopefully is willing to take significantly less to have a chance to compete (think Tanguay, Hudler, etc.)

(2) You find a suitor for Crawford. Obviously the number of teams that are looking for a starting goalie isn't very high, with Toronto and Calgary filling their voids. If the 'Hawks were able to send Crawford to a team like the NYI without having to take back salary, you would create $6 mil in cap space, which is a lot more breathing room, but at the same time, part of that is going to have to go towards a veteran goalie willing to compete/backup with Darling. That wiggle room, however, allows the team to find a more competent fit for that gaping first line LW hole.

Here's what the team could look like in EITHER scenario:

Scenario (1):

Hudler - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - Moose/Lundberg

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Craw
Darling

Scenario (2):

McGinn - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - cheap vet you can ink (or Moose/Lundberg)

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Darling
(Backup vet goalie)


Personally speaking, considering where the 'Hawks stand in regards to available cap space, players like Lucic, Ladd, etc. just aren't going to be squeezed in unless both Crawford AND either Kruger/AA get moved. It's just impossible. So what that means is that you'll only be able to throw around $3.5 million for a player like McGinn in the hopes of him becoming a competent first line LW player.

To me, the difference between a McGinn and a Hudler/Tanguay isn't that drastic. The only thing that entices me about a McGinn is his ability to use his body and provide a gritty, big-body presence. The impact on offense would be similar to that of a Hudler/Tanguay. With that being said, the difference between Craw starting and Darling/other vet is noticeable, however.

If it was up to me, I would opt to stick with what we have, bring 1-2 kids up, and bring in two veterans to help as band-aids.

Sorry folks, there's just not a whole lot that the team can do, regardless of what Stan tells the media. Unless the front office miraculously finds a way to be creative, what you see is what you'll get. Don't keep your hopes up.
- TommyHawk

All this means is Crawford or Seabrook are gone .

There's some good stuff in JJ blogs...This is from today...
....$67.2 million in cap hit, or about $5.8 million to fill 4 positions....
- Al

Thanks Al and. wow! Didn't know it was that close,WTF is Bowman talking about having enough room!

Versteeg? You guys have to be kidding me.

The 'Hawks traded him twice. You think that he won't take that into account when he's considering his offers? If I'm him, I don't even look at Chicago as a plausible landing spot.

There's two ways the 'Hawks can approach the off-season from here:

(1) Keep the current roster intact. You have to fill 6 spots with ~$6.4 million. But that's not taking into account Kempny who will make the team at a $700K cap hit; Lundberg who is a $630K cap hit; and for our sake, let's assume that both Motte and Schmaltz make the big league team at $925K a piece. You're looking at about $3.18 mil of available cap being used. That leaves the team with over $3.2 mil in cap space to fill two roster spots (for veterans). Let's hypothetically speaking assume that Campbell signs a one-year, $1.5 mil dollar discount deal with the 'Hawks. That would leave the team with under $2 mil to sign another vet. What vet can you get to sign for that much? Likely one who is looking to win a championship before he retires. So obviously that excludes the younger wingers, we're talking about a veteran who hopefully is willing to take significantly less to have a chance to compete (think Tanguay, Hudler, etc.)

(2) You find a suitor for Crawford. Obviously the number of teams that are looking for a starting goalie isn't very high, with Toronto and Calgary filling their voids. If the 'Hawks were able to send Crawford to a team like the NYI without having to take back salary, you would create $6 mil in cap space, which is a lot more breathing room, but at the same time, part of that is going to have to go towards a veteran goalie willing to compete/backup with Darling. That wiggle room, however, allows the team to find a more competent fit for that gaping first line LW hole.

Here's what the team could look like in EITHER scenario:

Scenario (1):

Hudler - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - Moose/Lundberg

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Craw
Darling

Scenario (2):

McGinn - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - cheap vet you can ink (or Moose/Lundberg)

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Darling
(Backup vet goalie)


Personally speaking, considering where the 'Hawks stand in regards to available cap space, players like Lucic, Ladd, etc. just aren't going to be squeezed in unless both Crawford AND either Kruger/AA get moved. It's just impossible. So what that means is that you'll only be able to throw around $3.5 million for a player like McGinn in the hopes of him becoming a competent first line LW player.

To me, the difference between a McGinn and a Hudler/Tanguay isn't that drastic. The only thing that entices me about a McGinn is his ability to use his body and provide a gritty, big-body presence. The impact on offense would be similar to that of a Hudler/Tanguay. With that being said, the difference between Craw starting and Darling/other vet is noticeable, however.

If it was up to me, I would opt to stick with what we have, bring 1-2 kids up, and bring in two veterans to help as band-aids.

Sorry folks, there's just not a whole lot that the team can do, regardless of what Stan tells the media. Unless the front office miraculously finds a way to be creative, what you see is what you'll get. Don't keep your hopes up.
- TommyHawk

Or we don't sign Campbell...stay with Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, TvR, Kempny, Gus and Sved and use that $1.5 M on someone else, which is what I would like to do. No on Soupy!

Or we don't sign Campbell...stay with Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, TvR, Kempny, Gus and Sved and use that $1.5 M on someone else, which is what I would like to do. No on Soupy!
- CanOCorn

Problem is, you're going to have to expect a big jump in TvR's game, and for Kempny to be an admirable fill-in on the third pairing, which is doable, but still risky.

Adding Campbell turns our defense into a team strength. Even at age 37 he can log big minutes, produce offense, and is responsible defensively. That is a HUGE boost to a team like the 'Hawks that struggled with having a consistent #4/#5 d-man.

That $1.5 mil is allocated MUCH better on Soupy than adding that $1.5 mil on a winger who would likely slot no higher than the bottom-six.

Besides, Soupy's value on the market is higher than $1.5 mil. It would just be a serious "hometown" discount to come back and try to win another cup here. That's something that the team really ought to take advantage of.

All this means is Crawford or Seabrook are gone .
- mrpaulish

Unless the cap increases significantly next season, and the team can factor in a Panarin re-signing. Otherwise, I think this is Craw's last season with the 'Hawks, and Panarin essentially replaces the cap hit that Craw has. Which will mean more juggling next season.

I wonder what the core are thinking today - 19, 88, 2, 7, 81, 50, 4 and even 72, 15, and 22 (or is he back to 16 now?) It's them and a bunch of guys making low salaries. Every year means another piece has to leave. The young guys seem a couple years away. The championship window seems to be closing now, will it reopen when the new blood is on the upswing and the core still good? When is that, 2018? 2019? Maybe Oduya and Sharpy come back for a reunion tour in 2017-2018 and fill a couple of holes cheaply. Next year is looking bleak. Last year's team minus Shaw and TT with nothing exciting coming in.

Source?
- BearsnHawks

LeBrun

Fake account
- DarthKane

Ah thx

Unless the cap increases significantly next season, and the team can factor in a Panarin re-signing. Otherwise, I think this is Craw's last season with the 'Hawks, and Panarin essentially replaces the cap hit that Craw has. Which will mean more juggling next season.
- TommyHawk

Say the cap increases by 1 mil next year, Panarin doesn't hit his A bonus, and Scuderi's cap hit goes away. That would free up 5 mil in cap space. If Panarin's AAV is less than 6 million, we will be fine. If he hits all of his bonuses, again, then someone will be leaving.

McGinn ,Martin, Campbell, must have all 3 = a good summer,I think so, some one give alittle scoop on McGinn, don't know much about him.
Think the kid coming out of UND sees Rockford for a bit.
Surprised that Debrincat kid made it out of the 1st round.........but......we heard this before.......about........ Teuvo Terivainen!
- wonthecup10

Stop with this right now!

Just watch 5 minutes of tape on each of them they play nothing alike.

I have no idea if Debrincat will make it at his size, but he's not TT, body wise or playing style. They are absolutely nothing alike.

Versteeg? You guys have to be kidding me.

The 'Hawks traded him twice. You think that he won't take that into account when he's considering his offers? If I'm him, I don't even look at Chicago as a plausible landing spot.

There's two ways the 'Hawks can approach the off-season from here:

(1) Keep the current roster intact. You have to fill 6 spots with ~$6.4 million. But that's not taking into account Kempny who will make the team at a $700K cap hit; Lundberg who is a $630K cap hit; and for our sake, let's assume that both Motte and Schmaltz make the big league team at $925K a piece. You're looking at about $3.18 mil of available cap being used. That leaves the team with over $3.2 mil in cap space to fill two roster spots (for veterans). Let's hypothetically speaking assume that Campbell signs a one-year, $1.5 mil dollar discount deal with the 'Hawks. That would leave the team with under $2 mil to sign another vet. What vet can you get to sign for that much? Likely one who is looking to win a championship before he retires. So obviously that excludes the younger wingers, we're talking about a veteran who hopefully is willing to take significantly less to have a chance to compete (think Tanguay, Hudler, etc.)

(2) You find a suitor for Crawford. Obviously the number of teams that are looking for a starting goalie isn't very high, with Toronto and Calgary filling their voids. If the 'Hawks were able to send Crawford to a team like the NYI without having to take back salary, you would create $6 mil in cap space, which is a lot more breathing room, but at the same time, part of that is going to have to go towards a veteran goalie willing to compete/backup with Darling. That wiggle room, however, allows the team to find a more competent fit for that gaping first line LW hole.

Here's what the team could look like in EITHER scenario:

Scenario (1):

Hudler - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - Moose/Lundberg

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Craw
Darling

Scenario (2):

McGinn - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - AA - Kane
Motte - Schmaltz - Panik
Desjardins - Kruger - cheap vet you can ink (or Moose/Lundberg)

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell
TvR - Kempny
Goose/Svedberg

Darling
(Backup vet goalie)


Personally speaking, considering where the 'Hawks stand in regards to available cap space, players like Lucic, Ladd, etc. just aren't going to be squeezed in unless both Crawford AND either Kruger/AA get moved. It's just impossible. So what that means is that you'll only be able to throw around $3.5 million for a player like McGinn in the hopes of him becoming a competent first line LW player.

To me, the difference between a McGinn and a Hudler/Tanguay isn't that drastic. The only thing that entices me about a McGinn is his ability to use his body and provide a gritty, big-body presence. The impact on offense would be similar to that of a Hudler/Tanguay. With that being said, the difference between Craw starting and Darling/other vet is noticeable, however.

If it was up to me, I would opt to stick with what we have, bring 1-2 kids up, and bring in two veterans to help as band-aids.

Sorry folks, there's just not a whole lot that the team can do, regardless of what Stan tells the media. Unless the front office miraculously finds a way to be creative, what you see is what you'll get. Don't keep your hopes up.
- TommyHawk

I like the analysis. Your are pretty spot on in my opinion. Neither roster is a cup roster. Q isn't going to stand for a 3rd line like that though. Expect another season of the core guys being taxed. They will be worn out come playoff time unless someone tells Q to balance TOI. Don't think that happens. I'm usually optimistic when it comes to my sports teams but I'm really tempering expectations for this year. The Toews line will struggle once again 5 on 5. This cap sucks more every day. '15 we had TT Vermette Sharp as a third line. Look at our depth now