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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 25 @ 3:07 PM ET
I believe hexy drafts a lot like Lombardi. A bunch of centers who can convert to wing. More all around prospect then offensive dynamos at forward. His d prospects all have offensive upside as opposed to the banging stay at home types. Not surprising his interest in over stocking considering his playing career. Wasn't quick a 2nd rounder?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 25 @ 3:10 PM ET
I believe hexy drafts a lot like Lombardi. A bunch of centers who can convert to wing. More all around prospect then offensive dynamos at forward. His d prospects all have offensive upside as opposed to the banging stay at home types. Not surprising his interest in over stocking considering his playing career. Wasn't quick a 2nd rounder?
- ravishingone


Quick was a third-rounder, I believe
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 3:19 PM ET
I believe hexy drafts a lot like Lombardi. A bunch of centers who can convert to wing. More all around prospect then offensive dynamos at forward. His d prospects all have offensive upside as opposed to the banging stay at home types. Not surprising his interest in over stocking considering his playing career. Wasn't quick a 2nd rounder?
- ravishingone

Gotta balance it out at some point though. The Kings ultimately found success with a Goalie turning in one of the all time great performances and needing to acquire Carter. Remember that team had an incredibly hard time scoring before that trade.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 3:21 PM ET
Gotta balance it out at some point though. The Kings ultimately found success with a Goalie turning in one of the all time great performances and needing to acquire Carter. Remember that team had an incredibly hard time scoring before that trade.
- hereticpride


What about 2013-2014 when Quick was just good, not great? That was a complete, team-driven Cup.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 25 @ 3:34 PM ET
Shattenkirk's agent said he was surprised the defender is still a Blue, thought he was getting moved yesterday or today
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 25 @ 3:37 PM ET
Gotta balance it out at some point though. The Kings ultimately found success with a Goalie turning in one of the all time great performances and needing to acquire Carter. Remember that team had an incredibly hard time scoring before that trade.
- hereticpride


You need Giroux or Konecny types as much as you need Couturier types. I think this was a solid draft -- only a pick or two am I meh on -- with some outstanding picks throw in. But it is still a worry of mine that in a handful of years, when we should be a Cup contender, that we don't have enough pure skill to filter in when our older skilled players start declining.

There is time to address it yet though. But I thought they had a couple picks in the middle of the draft to hit home runs at and decided to slap a single up the middle.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 3:40 PM ET
Our backend will also be crazy dynamic to offset a more forechecking, puck possession forward corps. Sanheim, Ghost, Myers, Provorov are capable of some special things with the puck and on the rush -- especially the first two. They hopefully can pick up any slack as good as any elite forward.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 3:48 PM ET
I love how young some of the kids are. Carter Hart, who already plays mature for a netminder, doesn't turn 18 for a couple months. Rubtsov in a couple days. Hogberg I believe is the 2nd youngest in the draft....and already was a top ten junior d scorer in Sweden despite playing on one of the worst teams in the league.

It matters way more than is mentioned. It's crazy to think Oskar Lindblom is only ~1 year older than Gauthier (or our own Wade Allison) despite being taken 2 drafts apart. And he's already a terrific performer in the SHL. Some of these kids have 6-11 months less development time and physical growth time. Happens so often where a summer birthday kid blossoms D+1 year.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 25 @ 3:49 PM ET
All that trade talk and nothing

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 25 @ 3:56 PM ET
Our backend will also be crazy dynamic to offset a more forechecking, puck possession forward corps. Sanheim, Ghost, Myers, Provorov are capable of some special things with the puck and on the rush -- especially the first two. They hopefully can pick up any slack as good as any elite forward.
- Mononoke



This is exactly what I was thinking.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 4:02 PM ET
This is exactly what I was thinking.
- MBFlyerfan


I still would like another guy w/ G/Konecny skills
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 4:04 PM ET
I believe hexy drafts a lot like Lombardi. A bunch of centers who can convert to wing. More all around prospect then offensive dynamos at forward. His d prospects all have offensive upside as opposed to the banging stay at home types. Not surprising his interest in over stocking considering his playing career. Wasn't quick a 2nd rounder?
- ravishingone

What are the chances one of the draft picks turn into a Tyler Toffoli Tanner Pearson type player?
The LA comparison pops into mind here,
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 4:05 PM ET
I still would like another guy w/ G/Konecny skills
- Mononoke



Me too. Im thinking that guy will be a free agent. Signed when it makes sense a year or two from now. And who knows, maybe one or more of these draftees from the last few years/next year, has some of that.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 4:07 PM ET
After selecting Laberge and Allison high (both RW); with Konecny, NAK, Lindblom nearing joining the team....on top of a few other players with middle 6 potential or any surprises, it really makes what will happen to Schenn/Simmer all the more interesting. It's a major reason why I'd prefer to see Schenn on a 3 year deal or something. Simmer is already on a 3 year deal effectively. And then?

You don't count your chickens before they mow the lawn, but keeping his years down is a huge factor in the Schenn signing this offseason.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 4:12 PM ET
Lindblom-Giroux-Laberge
Konecny-Couturier-Voracek
NAK-Rubtsov-Allison
VDV-PEB-White


Could be something in 3 years.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
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Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 4:16 PM ET
Lindblom-Giroux-Laberge
Konecny-Couturier-Voracek
NAK-Rubtsov-Allison
VDV-PEB-White


Could be something in 3 years.

- Mononoke

If that 4th line is still here three years from now please kill me.

Also, no Simmonds?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 4:17 PM ET
Lindblom-Giroux-Laberge
Konecny-Couturier-Voracek
NAK-Rubtsov-Allison
VDV-PEB-White


Could be something in 3 years.

- Mononoke

At least you got the 4th line right

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 25 @ 4:17 PM ET
If that 4th line is still here three years from now please kill me.

Also, no Simmonds?

- hereticpride



And me too
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 25 @ 4:21 PM ET
If that 4th line is still here three years from now please kill me.

Also, no Simmonds?

- hereticpride


If they are still here in 3 months, please kill me. But if you think they're going anywhere, shame on you.

Like I said, Flyers have to decide what's going on with Simmer and Schenn. 3 years for Brayden allows plenty of time until we find out what's going on.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 4:30 PM ET
I was lukewarm on Allison because I knocked him down b/c BB knocked him on hockey sense. And it might still be a concern. But for a big PWF, kid can skate and puck handle. My fear was going after a PWF like Bastian or Smith who can't skate and have questionable skills. We didn't do that at least. Allison can do things, and his second half season he came on fire. He's also old for his draft year. We shall see.

But I can't say I'm thrilled Abramov or Bitten went to 65 and 70, or we passed on Dube. But really, only Twarynski kind of pisses me off. That's not a good pick at the middle of the 3rd with some fallers and potential kids on the board. After and before that? Very solid. But damn I do wish we got another electric player. That's wonderful we have 200 ft players who can maintain possession, but we do need to score with that possession. This isn't college hockey where the first part is enough to score.

- Mononoke


Yeah, it wasn't a bad draft... just more depth-building than anything else. Still really happy with the first couple of picks... could have come out w/ just Logan Brown, lol.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 25 @ 4:35 PM ET
Yeah, it wasn't a bad draft... just more depth-building than anything else. Still really happy with the first couple of picks... could have come out w/ just Logan Brown, lol.
- Tomahawk


Should of jumped
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:44 PM ET
Gotta balance it out at some point though. The Kings ultimately found success with a Goalie turning in one of the all time great performances and needing to acquire Carter. Remember that team had an incredibly hard time scoring before that trade.
- hereticpride


It took how may years for Lombardi to build that team to the point of winning the Cup? Before they won, you went into the LA threads, and they were calling for Lombardi's head. No patience. We're beginning to see that here. How many posts were made to trade Morin, trade Schenn, etc. I'm not against making moves to better the team, but a big part of what Lombardi did, and what Hextall is trying to do, involves patience, and resolve.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 25 @ 4:50 PM ET
Yeah, it wasn't a bad draft... just more depth-building than anything else. Still really happy with the first couple of picks... could have come out w/ just Logan Brown, lol.
- Tomahawk


Rubtsov + Laberge was awesome (for Logan Stanley! OMG)....I'm warming on Allison. Partly out of necessity given that he is our boy, and partly because he actually has an interesting power forward skill set, with plus skating and hands. His reel is impressive. Not a fan of goalies in the 2nd, but they nabbed the consensus top goalie. They drafted BPA with Hart no doubt. I'm always down with BPA. Being able to steal Laberge too probably made them more comfortable selecting Hart. The value was just too good to pass up in their eyes.

Twarynski loses me. Bunnaman could actually be an interesting depth forward that isn't ill fit around there. Obviously he is your "bleeds intangibles" type, but his primary p/60 was very very high and he was buried by usage. Hogberg and Bernhardt are you late round lottery ticket Swedish d men with a lot of skill and production. Love that. Laczynski was an actual fave for me for 5....got him at 6. He has a good ceiling. Salinitri has a lot of speed and some skills, but can't get a read on him.

I'm pretty happy overall. The late rounders helped balance out that 3rd rounder.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:58 PM ET
I wanted Rychel
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
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Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 25 @ 5:04 PM ET
It took how may years for Lombardi to build that team to the point of winning the Cup? Before they won, you went into the LA threads, and they were calling for Lombardi's head. No patience. We're beginning to see that here. How many posts were made to trade Morin, trade Schenn, etc. I'm not against making moves to better the team, but a big part of what Lombardi did, and what Hextall is trying to do, involves patience, and resolve.
- MJL

Pretty sure I personally never called for Lombardi's head over anything prior to their cup wins but ok. ( he flat out fleeced the Jackets and I've always said that fwiw)


You know what man, we've been through this numerous times. Ignore my posts. Teams trade prospects sometimes. Deal with it. This is a rumor site first and foremost. I and everyone else here can post what they choose. Don't like trade talk? Then you're on the wrong site.

And I'm serious. Ignore my posts from now on. The thread is yours for the rest of the night, as usual.
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