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PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:25 AM ET

Salary Cap History -
05-06 -39m
06-07 -44m
07-08 -50.3m
08-09 -56.7m
10-11 -56.8m
11-12 -59.4m
12-13 -64.3m
13-14 -60m (teams can spend to prorated 70.2m) - this was after the lockout
14-15 -64.3m
15-16 -71.4m
16-17-73m
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 24 @ 11:27 AM ET
Interesting-er and interesting-er:

Kruger's agent is JP Barry of CAA. His partner is . . . Pat Brisson.

Brisson is the agent of Shaw, Toews and Kane. Also John Tavares, Nathan MacKinnon, Jonathan Bernier, Matt Duchene, Claude Giroux, Carl Hagelin, Seth Jones, Kyle Okposo and Max Pacioretty

Barry is the agent of Malkin and Crosby, Jagr, Thornton, others.

Very powerful guys.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
It's only 1 first, 1 second, 1 third up to $7.5MM - is he likely to get an offer sheet above that?
- StLBravesFan


Apparently to some he's the second coming
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
I know he liked Anisimov before. it just seems like prior to Panarin joining the team Bowman was trying to bring every single Swedish player to Chicago. It went from pancakes and lingonberries to pickle juice and Vodka.
- Dabearshawks



I think Panarin should be the immediate focus, even over Shaw and Kruger. Stan needs to set the table so he can re-sign Panarin long term.
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
what would it take to get AA? not really asking from a Rangers perspective more just in general
- mrn22


New York doesn't have much I would want except maybe Buchnevich?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:28 AM ET
I will say one last thing regarding the contracts for 19/88. What is not up for debate is that those two cap hits are really hurting the Hawks chances of putting a complete and championship quality roster on the ice both last season and moving into 16/17. What is up for debate and OPINION, is whether or not 19/88 would have gotten more, or could have been signed for slightly less. Since nobody here has their Agent on speed dial, it is pure conjecture one way or another. People can agree or disagree on whether or not some stupid team would have given Toews $2million more/season than the perennial 100 point man Crosby. I for one, don't think it would have happened. I will reiterate....I have no doubt that Bettman's false projections AND their Agent/NHLPA pushed for the "Highest Paid Players in the League" to try and set the bar for furture star contracts.

However, I will also state, that an argument can be made (especially in 2010+13), that Hossa and Keith were as much or more important to the Cup wins.... they make 55% of what 19/88 make. Kane and Toews got paid as much for their marketability (faces of the Salary Cap Dynasty) as for their on ice production, IMO. Until this season and last, Kane has never been top 3 in NHL scoring and Toews has never been top 5(I know there is more than scoring involved but points = paydays). So, why did they deserve to be paid $1million more/year than Crosby? I dont think they did, you can agree or disagree. All I am trying to point out, is that saying "They would have gotten more as UFAs" is pure conjecture...just like my opinion that Bowman could have gotten them to sign for $9.6mil/year (and still be the highest paid players in the game)

- EnzoD


Looking simply at the cap hits you are spot on with your first point, but at the time they were negotiating from a position of strength. If you were looking for a new contract, and you were viewed as one of the top people in your profession, and your team/company just was awarded the highest level of achievement, would you not look for top dollar? Not to mention, do they walk if they were offered a take it or leave it at 9.5? The contracts a hard to swallow, but I'll take them all day for what these two provide.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:32 AM ET
what would it take to get AA? not really asking from a Rangers perspective more just in general
- mrn22



Cap relief is the main thing and flexibility. Trouble is you gotta replace him. I am not like many in here who think he is irreplaceable and wouldn't lose much sleep if he were traded, but YOU DO need to do it and he does have skill and value. Just moving him for pure cap relief must be countered by picking up another capable center be it a younger guy or a mid career vet like he is.

If you move AA for a D-man or cap relief there has to be another trade in the works to replace his Line 2-C position. I doubt anyone would give up a cheaper 2nd Line centered, or they'd have no reason to trade for AA.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:33 AM ET
I thought you were only talking about the ability to sign him this summer within the tagging rules.
- StLBravesFan


my bad....
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:34 AM ET
First of all, we should figure out what business we want to open with all this cheap labor!

Second, do you, or anyone on the board think there may be a handshake deal that with the new team, the owners agreed to open their pocketbooks a little more? At least for next year? Is that even a possibility?

- CanOCorn


we need an idea.......I'm sure SavvyOne can help us out.
I just can't wait to give out discounts on wages and NMCs. Going to be lots of fun.

HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:34 AM ET
Seabrook is also a hit machine, minutes machine, goal scoring machine, leader machine...also had to play with Svedburg and Gustafson machine...
- PatShart


If you can add a JO type player that you can throw in with Hammer and let Seabrook play with Keith. The machine will run real well.
mrn22
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.22.2014

Jun 24 @ 11:34 AM ET
New York doesn't have much I would want except maybe Buchnevich?
- Bjm84


did you not see the second sentence? lol

I don't think they're trading Buchnevich for anything right now
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:35 AM ET
Good catch on the lockout proration. Completley forgot about that.

EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:35 AM ET
Salary Cap History -
05-06 -39m
06-07 -44m
07-08 -50.3m
08-09 -56.7m
10-11 -56.8m
11-12 -59.4m
12-13 -64.3m
13-14 -60m (teams can spend to prorated 70.2m) - this was after the lockout
14-15 -64.3m
15-16 -71.4m
16-17-73m

- PatShart


Ya missed 09-10 which may account for subsequent years being wrong until it gets back on track in 15-16.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
Ya missed 09-10 which may account for subsequent years being wrong until it gets back on track in 15-16.
- EbonyRaptor



See what happens when I can't copy and paste. Disaster
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
(On Kulikov trde) This thing is smoking pretty good...there may be a fire here. https://t.co/iWNjl2i49p
— --George Richards-- (@GeorgeRichards) June 24, 2016
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
Apparently to some he's the second coming
- PatShart


I'll only speak for myself - don't know if others think he's the second coming or just another piece of meat - I think he is priority #1 because he is an elite top-6 LW that maybe just maybe the Hawks can lock him up long term for a favorable cap hit this summer (~$6M) before he puts up another 70+ point season and gets to RFA where other teams would be happy to pay him Tarasenko money.
savvyone-1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL
Joined: 03.04.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
we need an idea.......I'm sure SavvyOne can help us out.
I just can't wait to give out discounts on wages and NMCs. Going to be lots of fun.


- SteveRain

I have the perfect idea SR: head coach concierge service.

We'll start in Chicago since a bunch of the guys already have experience with the nearest dry cleaners, car detailing, restaurants, knob polishing and the like. I'm sure as a test market, Q would be head-over-heels in love with this, however he may want us to keep it on the down-low.

Once established, we can expand to other NHL cities: Toronto would be my next choice since Babs operates much like Q. We'll have to do a little player training. Maybe Panik could help us out there?

DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:40 AM ET
Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 1m1 minute ago
The NHL is looking at a complain of tampering after what #canucks Jim Benning said yesterday regarding Steven Stamkos and PK Subban.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:41 AM ET
I have the perfect idea SR: head coach concierge service.

We'll start in Chicago since a bunch of the guys already have experience with the nearest dry cleaners, car detailing, restaurants, knob polishing and the like. I'm sure as a test market, Q would be head-over-heels in love with this, however he may want us to keep it on the down-low.

Once established, we can expand to other NHL cities: Toronto would be my next choice since Babs operates much like Q. We'll have to do a little player training. Maybe Panik could help us out there?


- savvyone-1


Well...Panik will have to try to wake up on time...you know, be a professional and everything. He may not be an ideal choice.
93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:42 AM ET
(On Kulikov trde) This thing is smoking pretty good...there may be a fire here. https://t.co/iWNjl2i49p
— --George Richards-- (@GeorgeRichards) June 24, 2016

- JRoenick97


AA for Kulikov swap?

Or

AA + Shaw for Kulikov and #33 pick?
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
Let me ask you back: what do you think would be value for value return for Crawford, rights to Shaw and Kruger?

Bearing in mind Hawks would probably want two forwards and pick(s) back.

For example, what if Backlund and Ferland were swapped out for Colborne and Jooris?

- John Jaeckel

Hmmm youngish #2 center and lower line pwf....i see the smoke signals here
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
Great post. The mention of Bennett in a deal will be followed by a click. I realize Hawks don't have the need to trade Crawford the way Pitt should be way more reasonable in asking price for MAF & even Bishop for that matter, but Yzerman is now a certified documented hard a$$. So I could see him waiting to trade Bishop next year.
But I am curious, how valuable is that 6.0 mill cap space to you guys? Would someone like Jooris, our #35 & our 2017 2nd be enough for Crawford? Jooris could be your cheaper version of Shaw & you move Shaw. Or take out Jooris & we give you Colborne, he's looking for 2.5mill, can play centre but he really settled in & scored his points on wing. Big kid, nice hands but I think his ceiling is 3rd line even though you would love to see more out of him. If you ask for the #6 or any of our young (future)core, it just isn't worth it & we find a bridge in net that will suck for next year but then the Tampa's & Pitts will lose any leverage & prices will be more realistic. Bishop will be a UFA rental & Rutherford will be throwing in sweeteners to take MAF.
Screw them both if Crawford's price is more reasonable.

- Kevin R


Actually I think that'd be a pretty good conversation starter. What about Crawford, Kruger and Shaw's rights for Backlund and your 35th and I don't know either your 54th, 56th, or 66th?

In any event I could see how this gets the conversation started.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:44 AM ET
I have the perfect idea SR: head coach concierge service.

We'll start in Chicago since a bunch of the guys already have experience with the nearest dry cleaners, car detailing, restaurants, knob polishing and the like. I'm sure as a test market, Q would be head-over-heels in love with this, however he may want us to keep it on the down-low.

Once established, we can expand to other NHL cities: Toronto would be my next choice since Babs operates much like Q. We'll have to do a little player training. Maybe Panik could help us out there?


- savvyone-1





Priceless....I bet TVR and Frankenstein are on call 24/7 for Q. Frankenstein stands guard at night to ensure Bowman doesn't sneak in the room and put the horse head in his bed.

Friedman just confirmed Hawks did their "Due diligence" on Malkin. So theres that..........
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:48 AM ET
Let me ask you back: what do you think would be value for value return for Crawford, rights to Shaw and Kruger?

Bearing in mind Hawks would probably want two forwards and pick(s) back.

For example, what if Backlund and Ferland were swapped out for Colborne and Jooris?

- John Jaeckel

Tough call, I love Backlund, he's a corsi/possession monster & idolized on the Flames analytics web site. But Monahan & Bennett are our top 2 centres of the future. Backlund is probably a #2 centre on several NHL teams & in 2 years will probably want to get paid as a #2 but I don't see how we can fit him with Money & Bennett. He is quickly trending to be a Jordan Staal version of circumstances. I could maybe see that deal but pull out Ferland. As much as we hope Ferland can step up & be a top 6 nasty power forward, his ceiling seems to be a solid 3rd line forward, but I wouldn't want to give up on him yet, especially if Backlund is going the other way. That would be awful unpopular trading Backlund in Calgary. Would love to have Crawford.
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