What about....trading for Rick Nash with the NYR retaining 1/3 of his salary

He's a LW (Hawks have had interest in the past in him)

He's played with Toews/on his LW in the Olympics

So they'd be getting him for 2yrs - 5.2mil

What about....trading for Rick Nash with the NYR retaining 1/3 of his salary

He's a LW (Hawks have had interest in the past in him)

He's played with Toews/on his LW in the Olympics

So they'd be getting him for 2yrs - 5.2mil
- PatShart

As long as you're fine with losing Panarin too. There likely wouldn't be room to have both on the roster.

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 9m9 minutes ago
One former player/exec: "Nick Schmaltz is fine. But he's no Teravainen. Not even close."

Edit: Clearly he's quoting Ron Francis.
- DarthKane

Well of course he isn't Teuvo, his name is Nick. saying he's no Teuvo when he has yet to play a game in the NHL doesn't make much sense.

I think 3.5 to 3.75 is fair. Based on comparables.
- SteveRain

The AAV is a problem for the Hawks because of the cap situation and Panarin.

Everyone needs to understand this: giving Shaw $3.5 million per means paying an extra $1.5 million per ton NOT improve the team. The Hawks can't afford that. At all.

But, to me, term is the bigger issue. This is a guy with an allegedly serious back issue. He's also a walking suspension.

Don't get me wrong, I like Shaw and what he brings when he plays within the guardrails. But for the Hawks, Shaw at $3.5 for 3-4 years is a problem.

Jeez - who's more popular than Shaw?
- StLBravesFan

Mashinter of course

What about....trading for Rick Nash with the NYR retaining 1/3 of his salary

He's a LW (Hawks have had interest in the past in him)

He's played with Toews/on his LW in the Olympics

So they'd be getting him for 2yrs - 5.2mil
- PatShart

If NYR retained salary, they could do a lot worse. He is a very skilled forward.

I think 3.5 to 3.75 is fair. Based on comparables.
- SteveRain

I love Shaw, but that is too much for him. I have no problem with him wanting to get paid, unfortunately it looks like it won't be with the Hawks.

Shaw and Kruger should both be at the $2.5M mark.

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 9m9 minutes ago
One former player/exec: "Nick Schmaltz is fine. But he's no Teravainen. Not even close."

Edit: Clearly he's quoting Ron Francis.
- DarthKane

I haven't seen nearly enough of Schmaltz to offer an opinion. But the Hawks chose to cut bait on Teravainen and nobody knows him (and Schmaltz) better than they do.

I missed it last night, but:

Good luck with your back, John - you're too young for chronic back issues.

And - congratulations, Eli - a long haul, hope you and you're much-better half move forward into your next life phase with success and happiness.
- StLBravesFan

Congrats Eli!!!

As long as you're fine with losing Panarin too. There likely wouldn't be room to have both on the roster.
- DarthKane

Why? Cuz there's no one else to deal?

As long as you're fine with losing Panarin too. There likely wouldn't be room to have both on the roster.
- DarthKane

Panarin makes 812K....they couldn't take on 5.2mil if they traded say Kruger for him and let Shaw go?

Panarin makes 812K....they couldn't take on 5.2mil if they traded say Kruger for him and let Shaw go?
- PatShart

He will be due a $2.5MM bonus or so based on performance which will hit next year's cap

He will be due a $2.5MM bonus or so based on performance which will hit next year's cap
- Return of the Roar

I was unaware he hit his bonuses already for 2016-17 season or that the salary cap for next year was already announced.

Lazerus' latest piece on the Hawks cap crunch. Lays it out pretty nicely. Not holding any punches it seems...also does mention Shaw wants 4.5 mil.

http://chicago.suntimes.c...-one-of-their-own-making/

"But for all his success, Bowman is hardy infallible. The Bryan Bickell contract was a disaster that cost the Hawks money and talent, including Teuvo Teravainen. The eight-year Brent Seabrook contract that kicks in next month could become an albatross in a few years as the veteran hits his mid-30s. The instant contract extension for Artem Anisimov last summer was uncharacteristically risky. David Rundblad continues to be an expensive press-box ornament. And now the Marcus Kruger contract is biting Bowman before it even starts."

Lazerus' latest piece on the Hawks cap crunch. Lays it out pretty nicely. Not holding any punches it seems...also does mention Shaw wants 4.5 mil.

http://chicago.suntimes.c...-one-of-their-own-making/

"But for all his success, Bowman is hardy infallible. The Bryan Bickell contract was a disaster that cost the Hawks money and talent, including Teuvo Teravainen. The eight-year Brent Seabrook contract that kicks in next month could become an albatross in a few years as the veteran hits his mid-30s. The instant contract extension for Artem Anisimov last summer was uncharacteristically risky. David Rundblad continues to be an expensive press-box ornament. And now the Marcus Kruger contract is biting Bowman before it even starts."
- DK002

In other words: "don't blame us when we ship out a couple of your favorites, blame Stan."

I was unaware he hit his bonuses already for 2016-17 season or that the salary cap for next year was already announced.
- PatShart

Safe to say cap going nowhere significant in expansion year except flat at best or even down since the new team dilutes the HRR.

Safe to say if he stays healthy and does what he did last year he will make his bonuses.

As such you need to treat him like a dead money $2.5MM cap hit if he is not signed, or if signed, it is a $2.5MM premium on top of whatever deal he signs.

In other words: "don't blame us when we ship out a couple of your favorites, blame Stan."
- John Jaeckel

Gotta tell ya, this fits exactly what I heard yesterday and blogged this AM. Team is in fire sale mode because of too many big contracts given out to too many guys.

Lazerus' latest piece on the Hawks cap crunch. Lays it out pretty nicely. Not holding any punches it seems...also does mention Shaw wants 4.5 mil.

http://chicago.suntimes.c...-one-of-their-own-making/

"But for all his success, Bowman is hardy infallible. The Bryan Bickell contract was a disaster that cost the Hawks money and talent, including Teuvo Teravainen. The eight-year Brent Seabrook contract that kicks in next month could become an albatross in a few years as the veteran hits his mid-30s. The instant contract extension for Artem Anisimov last summer was uncharacteristically risky. David Rundblad continues to be an expensive press-box ornament. And now the Marcus Kruger contract is biting Bowman before it even starts."
- DK002

Tell it like it is Lazerus. Though, I think Anisimov is one of the best value 2Cs in the league at $4.25AAV

Gotta tell ya, this fits exactly what I heard yesterday and blogged this AM. Team is in fire sale mode because of too many big contracts given out to too many guys.
- John Jaeckel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=280yPTyei0U

Prediction:

Shaw will be packaged along with another more popular player. They are making Shaw persona non grata in order to make the other part of the medicine go down a little easier.
- John Jaeckel

Hard to say Kruger + Shaw. IMO.... Most likely Shaw + CC. Don't know if the Hawks asked for the team's he'd be willing to accept, unless that is strictly behind closed doors.

Gotta tell ya, this fits exactly what I heard yesterday and blogged this AM. Team is in fire sale mode because of too many big contracts given out to too many guys.
- John Jaeckel

And the universe of moveable guys is constrained further by move/trade restrictions. Adding Shaw might sweeten a deal for some team to take an NMC guy, but it does nothing to push an NMC guy to waive.

Safe to say cap going nowhere significant in expansion year except flat at best or even down since the new team dilutes the HRR.

Safe to say if he stays healthy and does what he did last year he will make his bonuses.

As such you need to treat him like a dead money $2.5MM cap hit if he is not signed, or if signed, it is a $2.5MM premium on top of whatever deal he signs.
- Return of the Roar

And I disagree the cap will go down

And definitely not a slam dunk he produces the same.

And if he wants 7+million they should be able to get some good assets for him. He's an RFA next year, not UFA

And the universe of moveable guys is constrained further by move/trade restrictions. Adding Shaw might sweeten a deal for some team to take an NMC guy, but it does nothing to push an NMC guy to waive.
- Return of the Roar

Again, SOME guys with NMCs also have modified NTCs as part of their deals.

There are also LOTS of unpublicized ways teams can get certain guys to waive.

Lazerus' latest piece on the Hawks cap crunch. Lays it out pretty nicely. Not holding any punches it seems...also does mention Shaw wants 4.5 mil.

http://chicago.suntimes.c...-one-of-their-own-making/

"But for all his success, Bowman is hardy infallible. The Bryan Bickell contract was a disaster that cost the Hawks money and talent, including Teuvo Teravainen. The eight-year Brent Seabrook contract that kicks in next month could become an albatross in a few years as the veteran hits his mid-30s. The instant contract extension for Artem Anisimov last summer was uncharacteristically risky. David Rundblad continues to be an expensive press-box ornament. And now the Marcus Kruger contract is biting Bowman before it even starts."
- DK002

His modified NTC does not kick in until the last two years of his deal—much harder to move him right now.

And I disagree the cap will go down

And definitely not a slam dunk he produces the same.

And if he wants 7+million they should be able to get some good assets for him. He's an RFA next year, not UFA
- PatShart

As of right now (with all of the Brexit stuff, sagging oil prices, loonie weakness against the dollar) best course of action is to assume the cap will stay or even drop the next few seasons.