30 year olds with five years of pro experience shouldn't be eligible.
- prismo

Who's 30?

You mean the 24 yr old that won?

??? Best leave the comedy to the professionals kid.
- James_Tanner

Not meant to funny. LITERALLY meant to point out that a trained clown is more valuable(to his family cuz of $$$ and to society as a whole) than somebody with a degree in the General Arts.

It is not a laughing matter that 10's of thousands of Canadians spend an absurd amount of time and money(hopefully their parents' money and not student debt) on General Arts degrees when there are only so many Teacher/Professor jobs to go around. It's sad. Many of my friends went to college AFTER university! Because they couldn't get a job that paid over 30K per year. The bilingual ones got teaching jobs, but they fully had to teach Core French or French Immersion to make it happen. Otherwise you are a supply teacher forever until you can find your English only speaking ass a job.

It's dangerous when people start talking about publicly paid post secondary education. Even though I'm not a blind commie I still support social policies however restrictions need to be in place. Don't pay 50 thousand Ontario students' tuition for general arts degrees when 45 thousand of them will be immediately unemployed.

You haven't once tried to actually argue against any of my opinions.(and they are simply opinions - even though i BELIEVE them to be facts. Maybe a random general arts degree raises a persons abilities in all the actual life living aspects of life....maybe... and maybe I'm wrong about just how worthless General Arts degree is...maybe..)

And since you are you(stubborn and arrogant - btw exactly like I am) I can only assume you have no response to my arguments/opinions because you actually have no response. Or... it's possible that you can't put your response/argument into words which would be some type of beautiful irony.

Keith Seabrook is a real person. He is the career AHL younger brother of Brent Seabrook. I'm surprised nothing about how Kane didnt deserve the Hart Trophy bc he's "not a nice guy". Also, McJesus will have to wait on his Hart Trophy bc they dont award that for incomplete seasons either. Maybe the "greatest player in the world" should learn how to stay on his edges when going full speed near the boards?
- EnzoD

Don Cherry says you are wrong. He wanted the Mounties FBI and CIA to arrest/kill the flyers defenceman for him falling. I agree Tanner hates anyone who doesn't think like him. If he ran the awards Mcjesus and Kadri would have won everything based on his B.S. "projected goals" number.

McDavid being third shouldn't have been that big of a shock. He missed a lot of games with injury. Had he played the full season he most likely runs away with the Calder. He will be the best of them down the road and will probably win his fair share of awards.

There needs to be consistency in your argument. Somehow McDavid missing half the season shouldn't be a problem, but missing 19 games for someone else is a problem. Either missing games is a problem or it isn't.

Any awards that are left open to the judgement of a voting panel are going to have people win that probably shouldn't have. People do stupid things. Figure out the best statistical analysis and what games cutoffs are for each award and have a computer run by a third party decide the winner.

McDavid being third shouldn't have been that big of a shock. He missed a lot of games with injury. Had he played the full season he most likely runs away with the Calder. He will be the best of them down the road and will probably win his fair share of awards.

There needs to be consistency in your argument. Somehow McDavid missing half the season shouldn't be a problem, but missing 19 games for someone else is a problem. Either missing games is a problem or it isn't.

Any awards that are left open to the judgement of a voting panel are going to have people win that probably shouldn't have. People do stupid things. Figure out the best statistical analysis and what games cutoffs are for each award and have a computer run by a third party decide the winner.
- pjm901

Except people still have to write the code/algorithms. Nothing is 100% objective, becasue people still have to interpret data. And people are fallible as (frank).

Pretty close to same ppg and 1 played a full season and 1 didn't.

Not a real tough choice

If the teams were reversed you wouldn't be singing the same tune.
- Garnie

Would you rather have McDavid or Panarin

Who's 30?

You mean the 24 yr old that won?
- Garnie

Supposedly 24

McDavid being third shouldn't have been that big of a shock. He missed a lot of games with injury. Had he played the full season he most likely runs away with the Calder. He will be the best of them down the road and will probably win his fair share of awards.

There needs to be consistency in your argument. Somehow McDavid missing half the season shouldn't be a problem, but missing 19 games for someone else is a problem. Either missing games is a problem or it isn't.

Any awards that are left open to the judgement of a voting panel are going to have people win that probably shouldn't have. People do stupid things. Figure out the best statistical analysis and what games cutoffs are for each award and have a computer run by a third party decide the winner.
- pjm901

Missing games was always a bullpoop excuse... I said the same thing when RNH was passed over for Landeskog

Don't feel sorry for me, if you actually agree with that clown, feel sorry for yourself. Then, possibly seek medical attention.
- James_Tanner

Adjusted for era, Karlsson really did just have a season that compares only to Bobby Orr. It is a fact that you would need to be like four Chara's at once to make up for that 32 point difference.

Also, let's pause for a minute to realize he put those points up with Ottawa's forwards.

I don't think my post was hyperbole, I think it was restrained.
- James_Tanner

Bullpoop.

Make up more stuff with your fake stats?

You are not being robbed if you don't have the best numbers due to injuries...

it's frequently called walking the walk.

McDavid will have plenty year winning many other individual awards but let it go.

There is no special status exception for the rookie of the year, just the rules that are in place that saw another player have abetter season statistically.

Sydney Crosby wasn't in the running so no need to use him in a comparison...

and the fans already had to be insulted the Canadian child actor was asked to present the award...he was able to learn his shtick and read it well off the monitors but it was insulting that he wasn't asked to pratcice the names of the two non-Canadien nominees for pronunciation.

It is an insult that you guys up there think the award should have been gifted to "next one", and just a little more insulting that BC child actor was unable ot pronounce Pan EERRRR in.
The little Peter Pan erin would have yelled McJesus in the same whine you are feeding us all in this blog, if Mcdavid HAD played the season.
We KNOW he could have one and would have scored but it means little in the 2015-16 column if he doesn't play and score.

Yes but does anyone think the defense of Doughty made up for the 32 difference in points? It's ridiculous to even say that.
- James_Tanner

Which player you want on the ice in the Stanley Cup Final?

Doughty hands down, because he is exceptional in his end, not just a rover.

Imagine if you'd actually watched it...

Don Cherry says you are wrong. He wanted the Mounties FBI and CIA to arrest/kill the flyers defenceman for him falling. I agree Tanner hates anyone who doesn't think like him. If he ran the awards Mcjesus and Kadri would have won everything based on his B.S. "projected goals" number.
- Mino42

I really don't hate anyone who doesn't think like me. That would mean I hate nearly everyone. Get a grip. How could I possibly be nicer and more patient with you guys?

People ought to learn that disagreeing on something - especially something as dumb as hockey - isn't personal.

I mean, even saying I hate the blackhawks is stupid. I obviously do hate Kane and i think they have bad contracts and probably a racist name/logo, but they're not a team I have emotional feelings about.

Which player you want on the ice in the Stanley Cup Final?

Doughty hands down, because he is exceptional in his end, not just a rover.
- wiz1901

Karlsson plays better defence, because he has the puck way more. If they had even points - which they wouldn't because take away the PP time and Doughty barely scores - I'd still pick EK.

He is the best in the world by a mile.

Wow colour me shocked that your musical taste is terrible.

You're clearly just trolling though and I'm not falling for it.... on the off chance that you're not, then you're just embarrassing yourself.
- James_Tanner

You do realize music is a personal preference and what you like or dislike others may not agree? Doesn't make their opinion or preference terrible, just makes it different than yours.

I mean who is to say your musical taste isn't terrible?

Well besides you of course

Would you rather have McDavid or Panarin
- prismo

The Calder is not an expected lifetime achievement award. Just b/c McD is the better long-term player doesn't mean he had the better rookie season

I really don't hate anyone who doesn't think like me. That would mean I hate nearly everyone. Get a grip. How could I possibly be nicer and more patient with you guys?

People ought to learn that disagreeing on something - especially something as dumb as hockey - isn't personal.

I mean, even saying I hate the blackhawks is stupid. I obviously do hate Kane and i think they have bad contracts and probably a racist name/logo, but they're not a team I have emotional feelings about.
- James_Tanner

Yet if someone disagrees with your musical taste their opinion is automatically "terrible"

Yes but does anyone think the defense of Doughty made up for the 32 difference in points? It's ridiculous to even say that.
- James_Tanner

I do. Easily.

Ottawa was a top ten team in terms of GA/60 when Karlsson not on the ice. With him on the ice, they were the worst team in the league by a country mile.

Doughty is, IMO, the best dman defensively in the league. Jeez, for someone that loves their possession metrics so much, he took the top team in the league, and with him on the ice, made them significantly better. when you're talking relative to team, that's difficult to do to a team that is already very good (much easier to do when the other lines on your team are essentially putting up AHL caliber stats).

Some of the defensive metrics Doughty put up haven't been accomplished in decades.

He's also top 10 offensively. In fact, I'd argue top 3 or 4, given that he manages top 10 in points, on a stifling team.

There is no other dman in the league that make a claim like that. Doughty has far more impact, in his own team's favour, than any other dman in the league. In my opinion, it isn't close either.

Show me one credible person who can explain how the difference between their defensive skills is close to ten points, let alone 32 and I'll change my mind, as I do every time I get new information.

Doughty winning that award was the most ridiculous thing in NHL history. Karlsson just had a historic season comparable to only one other defenseman in NHL history.
- James_Tanner

Karlsson had 41 more goals scored at even strength against his team, with him on the ice, than Doughty. 41. That's a huge number.

Would you rather have McDavid or Panarin
- prismo

it's not a vote on who you'd rather have, it's who had the best season in their rookie year.

Panarin

The end.

All the awards were pretty accurate IMO

I do. Easily.

Ottawa was a top ten team in terms of GA/60 when Karlsson not on the ice. With him on the ice, they were the worst team in the league by a country mile.

Doughty is, IMO, the best dman defensively in the league. Jeez, for someone that loves their possession metrics so much, he took the top team in the league, and with him on the ice, made them significantly better. when you're talking relative to team, that's difficult to do to a team that is already very good (much easier to do when the other lines on your team are essentially putting up AHL caliber stats).

Some of the defensive metrics Doughty put up haven't been accomplished in decades.

He's also top 10 offensively. In fact, I'd argue top 3 or 4, given that he manages top 10 in points, on a stifling team.

There is no other dman in the league that make a claim like that. Doughty has far more impact, in his own team's favour, than any other dman in the league. In my opinion, it isn't close either.



Karlsson had 41 more goals scored at even strength against his team, with him on the ice, than Doughty. 41. That's a huge number.
- prock

Doughty also has a higher SF/60 at ES, and a lower SA/60 than Karlsson does. Karlsson is a great offensive defenseman, but he is not the defenseman that Doughty is.

Missing games was always a bullpoop excuse... I said the same thing when RNH was passed over for Landeskog
- prismo

How is missing games an excuse? You aren't given awards because you would project to have the best season. McDavid missed way too many games to win it. He was out for almost half the season.

Doughty also has a higher SF/60 at ES, and a lower SA/60 than Karlsson does. Karlsson is a great offensive defenseman, but he is not the defenseman that Doughty is.
- MJL

Yeah, some seem to think that the more important metric is how those are IN RELATION TO THE REST OF YOUR TEAM. But if you put one good player on a team full of horrid players, of course even a decent player is going to have amazing metrics in comparison to the rest of his team.

To have good stats in comparison to your team, when they are a top team, is that much more of a feat, obviously. a feat that Doughty absolutely dominates at.

Yeah, some seem to think that the more important metric is how those are IN RELATION TO THE REST OF YOUR TEAM. But if you put one good player on a team full of horrid players, of course even a decent player is going to have amazing metrics in comparison to the rest of his team.

To have good stats in comparison to your team, when they are a top team, is that much more of a feat, obviously. a feat that Doughty absolutely dominates at.
- prock

During the Kings Cup runs, he absolutely controlled and dictated play the entire time he was on the ice. Completely in control.