I know a few blogs ago people were speculating who is going to be the veteran free agent who's going to sign a cap friendly contract for one year, my guess for#1 LW will be Hudler, but we'll see if the Hawks will even have any wiggle room, off year last year 32 years old....

Well, if it's any consolation to you, we have jackets for the bad back club. I have Grade 1 spondylolisthesis and a herniated disk. I know days like you just went through. Good luck to you.
- DMCsPulledHammy

I don't know why you would get jackets...you won't be able to put them on anyways.

I hope it's not Kane

off-ice issues aside is there a more clutch player in the league?
- maria_wyeth

To me, it makes zero sense to trade for Malkin. But if they do, to me 88 HAS to go the other way. If not, Stan needs to be fired for his cap-incompetency.

It is possible that Stan is positioning the team for when the expansion draft comes?

Teams can only protect either:
7 forwards, 3 defensemen and a goalie

or

8 total skaters and a goalie

I'm guessing the Hawks would protect 19, 81, 88, 72, 15 and 7, 2, 4 and 50.
That would leave two forwards they could protect.

AA is in this list because players with NMCs are automatically protected. This also may be why they want to move him.

This might point to what the rumor about Malkin has some legs. Clear out the bottom six, go heavy on the top two lines of protected players.

This also means that if Kempny is any damn good, the Hawks may lose him. There might be another way to protect him, such as a limited number of games played.

In all of this cap confusion, GMs now have to position their team for the expansion draft. This could lead to teams trading bigger name players this off-season, because they have NMCs and the teams can't or doesn't want to protect them.

I like how Bowman will make trades to improve the team and try and go for it. His cap management is up for debate, depends who you ask. I really wish his drafting were better. Look at the majority of our early picks since he took over.

Kind of off topic but I have heard that when good ole John Mcdonough is done, Dale Tallon would be the new guy there. I heard that a long time ago and have no idea if there is truth to it or if Tallon is staying in Florida for sure. Point being I would love to have Tallon back for drafting purposes. Great talent evaluation. But he overpays way more than Stan. (Yandle, Bolland, Campbell etc)

It is possible that Stan is positioning the team for when the expansion draft comes?

Teams can only protect either:
7 forwards, 3 defensemen and a goalie

or

8 total skaters and a goalie

I'm guessing the Hawks would protect 19, 81, 88, 72, 15 and 7, 2, 4 and 50.
That would leave two forwards they could protect.

AA is in this list because players with NMCs are automatically protected. This also may be why they want to move him.

This might point to what the rumor about Malkin has some legs. Clear out the bottom six, go heavy on the top two lines of protected players.

This also means that if Kempny is any damn good, the Hawks may lose him. There might be another way to protect him, such as a limited number of games played.

In all of this cap confusion, GMs now have to position their team for the expansion draft. This could lead to teams trading bigger name players this off-season, because they have NMCs and the teams can't or doesn't want to protect them.
- Tanuki

As I understand it, though could be wrong, he should be exempt and same with Panarin... 2 year and less pros are exempt (NHL pros)

It is possible that Stan is positioning the team for when the expansion draft comes?

Teams can only protect either:
7 forwards, 3 defensemen and a goalie

or

8 total skaters and a goalie

I'm guessing the Hawks would protect 19, 81, 88, 72, 15 and 7, 2, 4 and 50.
That would leave two forwards they could protect.

AA is in this list because players with NMCs are automatically protected. This also may be why they want to move him.

This might point to what the rumor about Malkin has some legs. Clear out the bottom six, go heavy on the top two lines of protected players.

This also means that if Kempny is any damn good, the Hawks may lose him. There might be another way to protect him, such as a limited number of games played.

In all of this cap confusion, GMs now have to position their team for the expansion draft. This could lead to teams trading bigger name players this off-season, because they have NMCs and the teams can't or doesn't want to protect them.
- Tanuki

I believe 1st and 2nd year players are not eligible for the expansion draft, so no Panarin no Kempny, Gusto, 2nd if the player had a NMC and they are not protected by the team they would have to waive the NMC so there's that

It is possible that Stan is positioning the team for when the expansion draft comes?

Teams can only protect either:
7 forwards, 3 defensemen and a goalie

or

8 total skaters and a goalie

I'm guessing the Hawks would protect 19, 81, 88, 72, 15 and 7, 2, 4 and 50.
That would leave two forwards they could protect.

AA is in this list because players with NMCs are automatically protected. This also may be why they want to move him.

This might point to what the rumor about Malkin has some legs. Clear out the bottom six, go heavy on the top two lines of protected players.

This also means that if Kempny is any damn good, the Hawks may lose him. There might be another way to protect him, such as a limited number of games played.

In all of this cap confusion, GMs now have to position their team for the expansion draft. This could lead to teams trading bigger name players this off-season, because they have NMCs and the teams can't or doesn't want to protect them.
- Tanuki

Wouldn't Kempney be exempt? I thought him and Panarin would be because they both would have two years or less of NHL experience. Could be wrong though.

I get all that and agree but stranger things have happened.
- DMCsPulledHammy

Hossa's recapture penalty goes down each year that the Blackhawks pay him less salary than his cap hit (starting this upcoming season). If he is traded, the net benefit that they have received on his contract over the past 7 years is tolled (something like $18.375m at the moment). If he retires before the end of his deal, the Blackhawks would have a cap hit of that net benefit divided by the number of years remaining. This means that if the Blackhawks trade Hossa now, and he retires in summer 2020, the Blackhawks would have a Marian Hossa cap hit of $18.375m for the 2020-21 season. I can create a full chart, if anyone needs it, or respond to hypothetical trade/retire scenarios because I've done the research on this specific rule.

That is why he is near untradeable. The Blackhawks need the cap recapture penalty to continue to decrease to their benefit.

It is possible that Stan is positioning the team for when the expansion draft comes?

Teams can only protect either:
7 forwards, 3 defensemen and a goalie

or

8 total skaters and a goalie

I'm guessing the Hawks would protect 19, 81, 88, 72, 15 and 7, 2, 4 and 50.
That would leave two forwards they could protect.

AA is in this list because players with NMCs are automatically protected. This also may be why they want to move him.

This might point to what the rumor about Malkin has some legs. Clear out the bottom six, go heavy on the top two lines of protected players.

This also means that if Kempny is any damn good, the Hawks may lose him. There might be another way to protect him, such as a limited number of games played.

In all of this cap confusion, GMs now have to position their team for the expansion draft. This could lead to teams trading bigger name players this off-season, because they have NMCs and the teams can't or doesn't want to protect them.
- Tanuki

Any player with two or less years of experience in the NHL and or AHL are automatically exempt so that includes Kempny.

I stopped reading when they mentioned Hammer.
- Dabearshawks

same

Hossa's recapture penalty goes down each year that the Blackhawks pay him less salary than his cap hit (starting this upcoming season). If he is traded, the net benefit that they have received on his contract over the past 7 years is tolled (something like $18.375m). If he retires before the end of his deal, the Blackhawks would have a cap hit of that net benefit divided by the number of years remaining. This means that if the Blackhawks trade Hossa now, and he retires in summer 2020, the Blackhawks would have a Marian Hossa cap hit of $18.375m for the 2020-21 season. I can create a full chart, if anyone needs it, or respond to hypothetical trade/retire scenarios because I've done the research on this specific rule.

That is why he is near untradeable. The Blackhawks need the cap recapture penalty to continue to decrease to their benefit.
- tgentry1084

Would you mind making the chart? My friend gave me this exact same explanation of the rule but seeing the chart would be beneficial to all on the board. Thanks!

Just in general about a guy whose name is being talked about.

As far as the Flames talk, Crawford there makes too much sense. They are looking for a goalie and if Rutherford knew the Flames were in the market for Crawford, that's one less suitor for MAF.
- DMCsPulledHammy

"Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking."


"I am hearing Kruger and/or Shaw could be dealt. Hearing another name I was asked not be shared at this time."

Just trying to piece things together, wondering if all three quotes go together?

Poor JJ gets flamed on here from other teams fans, and on Twitter from Chicago fans, most recently from a Cubs fan
- ikeane

What the hell do Cub fans know? For 109 years they have spent their hard earned money on an inferior product and seem fine with it. It's like given the option of spending $10,000 on a beat up old Chevy or $10,000 on a brand new BMW...Cub fans will choose the inferior Chevy. Hope they have the best regular season record of all time...then crash and burn in playoffs just like last year. That would hurt. Nats., Giants, Mets and Dodgers all can beat them in best of 7.

"Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking."


"I am hearing Kruger and/or Shaw could be dealt. Hearing another name I was asked not be shared at this time."

Just trying to piece things together, wondering if all three quotes go together?
- walleyeb1

I know Wally, I just am not at liberty to say yet.

What the hell do Cub fans know? For 109 years they have spent their hard earned money on an inferior product and seem fine with it. It's like given the option of spending $10,000 on a beat up old Chevy or $10,000 on a brand new BMW...Cub fans will choose the inferior Chevy. Hope they have the best regular season record of all time...then crash and burn in playoffs just like last year. That would hurt. Nats., Giants, Mets and Dodgers all can beat them in best of 7.
- onehundredlevel

Dodgers , Mets and Nats have already been waxed by the Cubs , Cubs pitching mahes their pitching this year.

Giants and Cubs would be a great series . No reason why the Cubs can't beat the Giants in 7 . Think Cueto and Samardija will hold up this season ? Im not so sure. Just sit back , relax and keep watching the Cubs win , by a lot , +160 so far this year....lol

Patrick O'Sullivan on NHL Radio just mentioned Stamkos possible to Nashville. If that happens, we absolutely need a legit #4 D. The Preds would be tough.

Dodgers , Mets and Nats have already been waxed by the Cubs , Cubs pitching mahes their pitching this year.

Giants and Cubs would be a great series . No reason why the Cubs can't beat the Giants in 7 . Think Cueto and Samardija will hold up this season ? Im not so sure. Just sit back , relax and keep watching the Cubs win , by a lot , +160 so far this year....lol
- mrpaulish

you won't bet on Cueto but you'll bet on Lester, Lackey, Hammel, and Hendricks finishing with a sub 3 ERA.....

Would you mind making the chart? My friend gave me this exact same explanation of the rule but seeing the chart would be beneficial to all on the board. Thanks!
- hawks1921

Assuming Hossa is not traded by the Blackhawks, the net benefit of his contract is as follows:

2009-10: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$2.625m)
2010-11: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$5.25m)
2011-12: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$7.875m)
2012-13: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$10.5m)
2013-14: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$13.125m)
2014-15: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$15.75m)
2015-16: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$18.375m)
2016-17: Salary $4m / AAV $5.275m (+$17.1m)
2017-18: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (+$12.825m)
2018-19: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (+$8.55m)
2019-20: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (+$4.275m)
2020-21: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (0)

Assuming Marian Hossa retires this summer, the Blackhawks would have a cap hit of $3.675m until 2021 ($18.375m / 5 years remaining on contract). If Marian Hossa retires as a Blackhawk in any of the following years: 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020, the Blackhawks would have a cap hit of $4.275m until 2021.

If Marian Hossa is traded, the parenthetical number no longer goes down for the Blackhawks. For example, if he's traded next summer (2017) and retires in 2019, the Blackhawks will receive a new cap hit that next year of $8.55m until 2021 ($17.1m / 2 years remaining on contract).

I'm more than happy to run through any other hypothetical scenarios involving a Marian Hossa trade. =)

Ugh, sorta. Meds, using foam roller, getting some rest. Same thing every few months now, looking like might need surgery at some point. Thank you.
- John Jaeckel

See what marriage does to you.
slarm

Patrick O'Sullivan on NHL Radio just mentioned Stamkos possible to Nashville. If that happens, we absolutely need a legit #4 D. The Preds would be tough.
- DMCsPulledHammy

Grosso reported a little while ago that Toronto is the most likely candidate and that it is Stamkos' preferred destination.

What the hell do Cub fans know? For 109 years they have spent their hard earned money on an inferior product and seem fine with it. It's like given the option of spending $10,000 on a beat up old Chevy or $10,000 on a brand new BMW...Cub fans will choose the inferior Chevy. Hope they have the best regular season record of all time...then crash and burn in playoffs just like last year. That would hurt. Nats., Giants, Mets and Dodgers all can beat them in best of 7.
- onehundredlevel

Not true, you have 2 different Cub fans, ones that don't support an inferior product, and those who are casual night/day out with friends. I have no control over people going to see aCubs game with an inferior product. None and it's been so frustrating for so many years so I swore off the Cubs and said I will not watch a game until the Tribune Co sells them. I said the same thing about the Hawks when Bill was the owner. Some may say I'm not a true fan and that's okay part of me being a fan means they have to be responsible to the organization and make a commitment to winning and bring people into the organization who know how to win.

Grosso reported a little while ago that Toronto is the most likely candidate and that it is Stamkos' preferred destination.
- 93Joe

O'Sullivan said just the opposite in that Stamkos does not want to be part of a rebuilding process. And so, the misinformation campaign begins.

At the end of the day, I think the bigger check wins out, which is probably Toronto.

Assuming Hossa is not traded by the Blackhawks, the net benefit of his contract is as follows:

2009-10: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$2.625m)
2010-11: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$5.25m)
2011-12: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$7.875m)
2012-13: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$10.5m)
2013-14: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$13.125m)
2014-15: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$15.75m)
2015-16: Salary $7.9m / AAV $5.275m (+$18.375m)
2016-17: Salary $4m / AAV $5.275m (+$17.1m)
2017-18: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (+$12.825m)
2018-19: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (+$8.55m)
2019-20: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (+$4.275m)
2020-21: Salary $1m / AAV $5.275m (0)

Assuming Marian Hossa retires this summer, the Blackhawks would have a cap hit of $3.675m until 2021 ($18.375m / 5 years remaining on contract). If Marian Hossa retires as a Blackhawk in any of the following years: 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020, the Blackhawks would have a cap hit of $4.275m until 2021.

If Marian Hossa is traded, the parenthetical number no longer goes down for the Blackhawks. For example, if he's traded next summer (2017) and retires in 2019, the Blackhawks will receive a new cap hit that next year of $8.55m until 2021 ($17.1m / 2 years remaining on contract).

I'm more than happy to run through any other hypothetical scenarios involving a Marian Hossa trade. =)
- tgentry1084

Thanks! It's nice to see the breakdown. Doesn't appear like we'll be able to weasel out of this unscathed

Oh no... I meant the Hawks free up 5 mill against the cap...
- busmaster

For start of 16-17, and for five seasons, re-capture penalty costs the 'Hawks $3.675M. Which means their cap space increases $1.6M a season for five seasons. But they're still down one of the game's best 200' players, at least for half that time; to where then I believe his game will have regressed enough he will be just an OK player. Not bad for 40, eh?