Pound for pound Ladd is a vg fighter.
Also...Eager was a workout machine and when they took the military fitness test together Ladd won.

Bad ass means something different to everyone...Lucic is a meaner player and plays dirty if need be.
- Al

I hear ya. I understand the Ladd thing. He's more stable. From a fan's perspective he makes more sense. BUT, from a high level players perspective they probably would say we want both. Although if a choice had to be made they take Lucic first.
Ask the guys from years ago. In his prime you wanted Charley on your side. How many times did you see Manson come to the rescue back in the day. He made opposing players think twice.

Now I know it's not years ago, but ask Toews today and see what he says. It's still a tough game even though it's much faster.

Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
In any Marcus Kruger trade talks, teams will likely ask #Blackhawks to retain some of center's salary.



Brian Hedger
@BrianHedger
Wonder if it comes down to Shaw or Kruger? As in, #Blackhawks tell Shaw: "Sign for this and we'll trade Kruger. Otherwise, we'll trade you."

I agree here-- sign Ladd AND Matt Martin for the same money as Lucic??
- jb3333

Please.

Yea, leave the adjective out. Vegas knights. Then everyone hears, vegas nights. It's all about the marketing.

GO MONEY
- hocktock

Or Vegas Blackout Knights? so many options. And like someone just said, Kings> Knights. Why not do the Las Vegas Aces as Aces > Kings..,.

Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
In any Marcus Kruger trade talks, teams will likely ask #Blackhawks to retain some of center's salary.
- golfbard

So I guess his contract isn't market value after all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qBNukFUSPQ


Good times
- phantasmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2QtJ0wuCAM

EVEN BETTER TIMES

Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
In any Marcus Kruger trade talks, teams will likely ask #Blackhawks to retain some of center's salary.
- golfbard

Here we go again...Schmaltz and Kruger for garbage and Hawks retain salary

I hear ya. I understand the Ladd thing. He's more stable. From a fan's perspective he makes more sense. BUT, from a high level players perspective they probably would say we want both. Although if a choice had to be made they take Lucic first.
Ask the guys from years ago. In his prime you wanted Charley on your side. How many times did you see Manson come to the rescue back in the day. He made opposing players think twice.

Now I know it's not years ago, but ask Toews today and see what he says. It's still a tough game even though it's much faster.
- 6628

Manson was feared---- Hawks usually had one (or three) true bad ass players-- again back in the day--

Or Vegas Blackout Knights? so many options. And like someone just said, Kings> Knights. Why not do the Las Vegas Aces as Aces > Kings..,.
- EnzoD

I prefer the Las Vegas All You Can Eat Steak and Lobster. Their first marketing move, acquire Big Buff.

Better check with Kesler about Ladd--- I recall he dusted him one punch--
- jb3333

I was there and saw it. Nice one timer sure, but that was no rag doll job. But I wasn't talking about Kesler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qBNukFUSPQ


Good times
- phantasmo

What a bonehead. His team up 3 to 0 and he picks a fight.

LOSER

So I guess his contract isn't market value after all?
- EnzoD

Anyone who thought it was was fooling themselves.

[quote=golfbard]Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
In any Marcus Kruger trade talks, teams will likely ask #Blackhawks to retain some of center's salary.




Here is where McNeil gets thrown in..

Crawford to Calgary for 2nd in 2016 + 3rd in 2017.

Shaw's rights to Buffalo for 2016 2nd + 2017 4th

Sign Lucic 4yrs x $5.75mil

Sign Campbell 1yr x $1.5mil


- EnzoD

Only issue I see here is Panarin not being extended.

I hear ya. I understand the Ladd thing. He's more stable. From a fan's perspective he makes more sense. BUT, from a high level players perspective they probably would say we want both. Although if a choice had to be made they take Lucic first.
Ask the guys from years ago. In his prime you wanted Charley on your side. How many times did you see Manson come to the rescue back in the day. He made opposing players think twice.

Now I know it's not years ago, but ask Toews today and see what he says. It's still a tough game even though it's much faster.
- 6628

Agree on Manson and for same dough I pick Lucic. Issue for Ladd, if u can believe what has been out there is he passed on a big extension with the Jets...Like $5 mill + for 4/5 yrs...I think that ship has sailed for him.

Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
In any Marcus Kruger trade talks, teams will likely ask #Blackhawks to retain some of center's salary.



Brian Hedger
@BrianHedger
Wonder if it comes down to Shaw or Kruger? As in, #Blackhawks tell Shaw: "Sign for this and we'll trade Kruger. Otherwise, we'll trade you."
- golfbard

I'm sure they'll ask. But if it comes down to Trade Kruger (with salary retained) and re-sign Shaw or keep Kruger and trade Shaw then I ship Shaw out.

Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking.

[quote=golfbard]Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
In any Marcus Kruger trade talks, teams will likely ask #Blackhawks to retain some of center's salary.




Here is where McNeil gets thrown in..
- z1990z

Of course, doesnt mean Stan will agree to it. Teams would be silly not to ask for that. It's all part of the negotiation process.

Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking.
- John Jaeckel

Could this be a CC chat?? If so and Backlund is a target, then there is another C to backfill any loss of Shaw/Kruger. Of course Im prolly miles off.. again!

Agree on Manson and for same dough I pick Lucic. Issue for Ladd, if u can believe what has been out there is he passed on a big extension with the Jets...Like $5 mill + for 4/5 yrs...I think that ship has sailed for him.
- Al

Have to believe you're right on with this.

Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking.
- John Jaeckel

Always good especially if it's regarding kruger. They gave the hawks a 3rd for Bollig that makes Kruger worth at least a 2nd?

Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking.
- John Jaeckel

About?

McNeill?

So I guess his contract isn't market value after all?
- EnzoD

You and I knew that but many refused to look at a step away from the emotional connect that "Krooga" gives them. I like Kruger the player. I hate his deal, and especially hate it when the cap goes up a whopping 1+ million THIS year and more then lkely is FLAT next year at best.

So while many will sit here and bemoan it, from a ROI it's a smart move. Now the only reason he wont' be dealt iis because the return isn't suffice OR the RSA asked of the Hawks exceeds what they want to do. I would expect them to offset the latter with a sweetner, welcome Mr. McNeil.

In the end if I'm a NHL owner and a player I'm royally pissed off. The league has flat out lied regarding cap numbers and their predictions are way off. There aren't enough teams with ample budgets/cap space to sign guys to market deals and teams looking to dump bad deals have to throw in high sweetners to get it done.

A perfect storm of cap hell blowing up in Bettmnan's face and again.....Hawks will be right up against it next year and I think Bowman very well knows that and is trying to get AHEAD of the market giving up a lesser important piece in kruger vsCrawford or higher end core piece.

Could be totally off, but that IMO is what I get out of all this. And again...this very well could come down to shaw vs Kruger, both Q favories but who is more versatile should they need to fill ample holes in roster on the fly......

About?

McNeill?
- DarthKane

About high performance arena urinal cakes

Rocky wants to make sure he is getting maximum value out of every cent

Watch hawks and Calgary. They're talking.
- John Jaeckel

Told ya those dummies would take McNeil !