Toronto fan usually equals idiot. I will take this as such.
- Oneonta Penguin

I could not be more supportive of the Toews is overrated argument, in all seriousness.

Should have used this:
- NJPensfan

My bad, my blunder.

One thing I feel getting continuously overlooked is that we need to sign a veteran back up goalie. Anyone worth anything is going to be $2-3M. So cap space saved is not $5.75M as everyone keeps saying. It's closer to $3M.

If cap space is the issue, dumping Kunitz to Florida for a 5th would be better cap savings.

Wideman and 35 for MAF
- FLflames34

Wideman and the 35th is worth a 7th round pick salary dump move. No thanks. Bickell type offer

Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...

Wideman and the 35th is worth a 7th round pick salary dump move. No thanks. Bickell type offer
- sditulli

Can add Bollig if Bickell is your type of player.

Can add Bollig if Bickell is your type of player.
- FLflames34

What if....Murray gets hurt? What if Murray falls to earth? What if the defense plays like they did during reg season and Murray can't handle it? What if's can be played from all angles. Anyways, dead horse has been beat 10 fold.

Can't wait to see some trades!
- kgrpitt

Was going to make the exact same post. Spot on.

One thing I feel getting continuously overlooked is that we need to sign a veteran back up goalie. Anyone worth anything is going to be $2-3M. So cap space saved is not $5.75M as everyone keeps saying. It's closer to $3M.

If cap space is the issue, dumping Kunitz to Florida for a 5th would be better cap savings.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

People have mentioned Elliot. I think moving Kunitz might be the best answer because of the younger options they have there now but finding someone to take his salary for one more year might be tough.

What if....Murray gets hurt? What if Murray falls to earth? What if the defense plays like they did during reg season and Murray can't handle it? What if's can be played from all angles. Anyways, dead horse has been beat 10 fold.

Can't wait to see some trades!
- kgrpitt

Is Zatkoff not looked at as a reliable back-up for Murray? I am legitimately asking. I have only seen him play once or twice.

Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...
- francisryan

exactly:

1. Crosby GP124,G 49,A 88, PTS 137 (1.105 ppg)
2 Evgeni Malkin GP124,G 48,A 81,PTS 129 (1.040 ppg)

Wideman and 35 for MAF
- FLflames34

Speaking of troll.

Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...
- francisryan

Ok, I'll mention one who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example, especially in these playoffs...Crosby.

Speaking of troll.
- Oneonta Penguin

We rarely agree OP, but if I see one more trade proposal with fvcking Wideman I'm going to kill a kitten.

Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...
- francisryan

I question the idiot who gave Toews that amount of money. He simply isn't worth that. To me, he shouldn't be making north of 7.5 and that is being generous.

Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...
- francisryan

We're talking Malkin vs. Toews. Not Crosby vs. Toews, right? I think the chart just shows that Malkin produces offensively more than Toews. I dont think anyone can argue that, right? Toews is definitely a more 200ft player, but the pens are built to outscore you not shut you down.

I love Toews and think he's a gamer. I can't remember who they played a few years ago in the playoffs, but they were down 1 in an elimination game and shorthanded with less than 2 minutes on the clock and Toews somehow scored a shorty. That's a gamer. But I'd still rather have Malkin.

So Hawks would rather have Toews and Pens would rather have Malkin. Which is great bc that's exactly what's going to happen. Everyone is happy!

Fleury is getting traded and Dupuis is coming off the books. That leaves plenty of Cap space depending on the return.

Is Zatkoff not looked at as a reliable back-up for Murray? I am legitimately asking. I have only seen him play once or twice.
- SolidGoldBricks

Can he play 20 games throughout the year as a backup with spot starts? Meh, we could probably get by.

If Murray got hurt for an extended period, or had an issue in the playoffs, where we needed to rely on Zatkoff? Hell no.

We're talking Malkin vs. Toews. Not Crosby vs. Toews, right? I think the chart just shows that Malkin produces offensively more than Toews. I dont think anyone can argue that, right? Toews is definitely a more 200ft player, but the pens are built to outscore you not shut you down.

I love Toews and think he's a gamer. I can't remember who they played a few years ago in the playoffs, but they were down 1 in an elimination game and shorthanded with less than 2 minutes on the clock and Toews somehow scored a shorty. That's a gamer. But I'd still rather have Malkin.

So Hawks would rather have Toews and Pens would rather have Malkin. Which is great bc that's exactly what's going to happen. Everyone is happy!
- schoobs2731

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNMtSCPw1f4

this one

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Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...
- francisryan


Ok, I'll mention one who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example, especially in these playoffs...Crosby

I still think Murray got ripped of for not winning the Playoff MVP..... Lets see who Team Canada plays on the ice when the game matters in the world cup...

Love that dirty little secret

I question the idiot who gave Toews that amount of money. He simply isn't worth that. To me, he shouldn't be making north of 7.5 and that is being generous.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agree. I'd rather have Kopitar than Toews

There are a lot of butt hurt Egos here. Who cares if player A is better than player B....the game of hockey is far more enjoyable when you just enjoy each player for their differences rather then trying to compare compare compare all the time.

Those that continue to want to appoint so and so as the "best" player are delusional and you only get lost in your own little Ego of butt hurt-ness!

Fleury is getting traded and Dupuis is coming off the books. That leaves plenty of Cap space depending on the return.
- lloyd095

dupuis contract is not that impact full on the cap though since he is LTIR

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Any one who questions Toew's is an idiot. Yes both Crosby and Toews are the 2 best in hockey. By the way points is a good regular season stat playoffs is what counts. Look at some of the great leaders who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example.... Yzerman for one...
- francisryan


Ok, I'll mention one who sacrificed points for hard minutes and leading both on and off the ice by example, especially in these playoffs...Crosby

I still think Murray got ripped of for not winning the Playoff MVP..... Lets see who Team Canada plays on the ice when the game matters in the world cup...
- francisryan

gonna save this comment