How'd you come to this conclusion. THe rules said players with active NMCs are auto protected. He needs to be moved. You and Jaydogg can keep talking about keeping him, but know you're in the minority and your plan is extremely risky.
- Victoro311

Just saw on Twitter straight from the first glance of expanison rules: The release states "Full NMC" must be protected. Fleury has a "Modified NMC". Which to me says he doesn't need to be traded.

It's not that I even want to keep him, just that the main reason for doing so is now cap space rather than to avoid losing Murray (if I am reading the rule correctly). I actually prefer he's traded, but we don't need to give him away.

If he doesn't just sit at home, and be quiet as (frank) this offseason, he doesn't deserve to be in the NHL.

Players can (frank) up, we all prefer them not to... but continuous (frank) ups make them Johnny Football.
- Guile

Kane was the original Johnny Football. Kane never stopped being a (frank) up. Its just that Kane's actually is good at the sport he played so he never spiraled into a self destructive depression. No instead he gets to happily do his thing in the offseason without media scorn because he'll come back in October and be PPG.

Still can't believe some Hawks fans were throwing Kane around for the Masterton because he came back from rape allegations and had a career year... Despicable.

@Duper:

Here are the rules: https://twitter.com/mirtl...status/745715148153888768

Here are the deadlines:

NHL teams must submit protected lists by June 17, 2017. Las Vegas must submit selections by June 20, 2017. Announcement June 21, 2017.

— Adam Vingan (@AdamVingan) June 22, 2016

- tpcg402

^bump

Seems like stuff like that needs to be worked out. There are some big name UFAs next year. Brent Burns is a UFA, so SJ doesn't have to protect him, and even if Las Vegas picks him, he just signs back with the Sharks 10 days later
- drummer829

This is what I said a few days ago, there will be loopholes. LV can make trades, make deals contingent on not selecting anyone, UFAs could still sign elsewhere, etc. I have absolutely no concern there is a scenario where we lose Murray.

I think Kane is one PR blunder away from being shipped out, especially if the Hawks start struggling to maneuver around the cap. He'd bring back a ransom.
- Victoro311

like Malkin?

It's a dumb idea for the same reasons I have been talking about.

1. It's not just a second round pick we get in return for Fleury (if that is the return). On top of that, its the 5.1 million in savings we can go out shopping and get a top six winger. Not a hard concept to follow. So, its MAF for a second and top six forward. That in essence would be the deal.

2. It's short sighted saying MAF is the smarter move to keep. He is 31, not 22. He has two concussions in two months. He couldn't get the pipes back once healed because the 22 year old wasn't going to give it back. When MAF did get his chance, he sucked.

3. Murray is well beyond his years. He has a lot of things in his arsenal that MAF doesn't. His ability to rebound from a soft goal, or subpar performance. He closed the door down after surrendering a soft goal, or bounced back beautifully the next game. He is making 600K and then becomes a RFA, which when he signs, it would be less than what MAF makes now. That is a win. Staying older is a dumb move when you have a quality younger option that has shown ability to hold down the fort. We need an influx of youth. Keeping MAF doesn't do that.

4. I think most level headed people see the great benefits of keeping Murray over Fleury. You are in the minority here. Even some of the biggest MAF fans have said its time to move him.

In the end, if our GM decides Fleury should stay over Murray, he just made a simply ignorant move for the organization moving forward. That isn't just an opinion. It's a simple fact than many people have posted.

You can't hold onto him and have both be goalies this year. How did Vancouver do with the Luongo v. Schneider thing? Not so well. Well, that would be the sequel to that if both are here. By the way, neither of those goalies are in Vancouver right now.

Trading a franchise young controllable goalie for the 6th overall pick is a dumb move. No more explanation is needed.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agree.

Defensive depth is a bigger issue. Agree
- Oneonta Penguin

Now you are weaseling out of the question I asked.

If you're saying a primary reason to trade Fleury is to sign a top 6 winger with the freed cap space, please name a top 6 winger we could afford.

And if defensive depth is an issue (which I agree) then we will have even less money for this top 6 winger.

How are we going to get defensive depth with the 1.8 mil of cap space we'd have if we don't move Fleury is the far more pertinent question.
- Victoro311

I've seen so many numbers for our cap space. It's really gotten confusing how we all have different numbers with the same guys. After qualifying Bennett, I have 2.6 to 2.7M with 13F, 6D, and the 2G.

Completely agree with you we need a little more space for a defensive upgrade for that last roster spot as our main priority. I really only feel they NEED to add about 1M though. and that can be done in a smaller deal.

But if Fleury has to be protected in expansion and there is a trade to be made now, I'd do it.

like Malkin?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

The Hawks are in much worse cap straights than the Penguins ever were. We were just dumb. The Hawks are legitimately hamstrung. Hossa's on a terrible deal. Toews and Kane are even more expensive than Crosby and Malkin. Seabrook just got like ~6 mil. Crawford is a mil more expensive than Fleury was on his last contract. Bickell forced them to trade a potentially useful ELC. The past half decade of going all in has stripped the Hawks system about as dry as our own was perceived to be.

Think if Panarin hadn't come last year. The Hawks would have been a wildcard team. They have one more year's grace period when Panarin is still on ELC, and then they're pretty much (frank)ed. That's super not good considering their gaping hole at top 4 defenseman.

It's somewhat funny because if the ping pong balls fall right and the expansion protected lists are what they are ... LV could be better out of the gate than three or four teams.
- Oneonta Penguin

To be honest I can't wait for this expansion draft. Really curious to see which players are exposed from other teams and ours too if they are made public.

I've seen so many numbers for our cap space. It's really gotten confusing how we all have different numbers with the same guys. After qualifying Bennett, I have 2.6 to 2.7M with 13F, 6D, and the 2G.

Completely agree with you we need a little more space for a defensive upgrade for that last roster spot as our main priority. I really only feel they NEED to add about 1M though. and that can be done in a smaller deal.

But if Fleury has to be protected in expansion and there is a trade to be made now, I'd do it.
- Tojo.

I got that number before I qualified Bennett

Just saw on Twitter straight from the first glance of expanison rules: The release states "Full NMC" must be protected. Fleury has a "Modified NMC". Which to me says he doesn't need to be traded.

It's not that I even want to keep him, just that the main reason for doing so is now cap space rather than to avoid losing Murray (if I am reading the rule correctly). I actually prefer he's traded, but we don't need to give him away.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I know LeBrun said full NMC, but the stated rule didn't say full, just NMCs. I hope somebody in the media finally clarifies this as it's kind of important. Have seen both reported.

I think Kane is one PR blunder away from being shipped out, especially if the Hawks start struggling to maneuver around the cap. He'd bring back a ransom.
- Victoro311

Yeah that's my thinking as well ...

That Hossa deal will just get worse as well and he's signed until he's 42 I believe. Well worth it for the 3 Cups he helped win, but they have a lot less room to add talent then they used to.
- Tojo.

Hossa will be bought out when the CBA is up just like every other bad contract when we have lockouts

I got that number before I qualified Bennett
- Victoro311

Did you use capfriendly? When I put Dupuis on pro LTIR, they still counted half his cap space, which I think is wrong. Put him under rookie and it was all gone. I also didn't add anyone like Sundqvist because I already had 13F.

Now you are weaseling out of the question I asked.

If you're saying a primary reason to trade Fleury is to sign a top 6 winger with the freed cap space, please name a top 6 winger we could afford.

And if defensive depth is an issue (which I agree) then we will have even less money for this top 6 winger.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

There are two needs ... defensive depth and a top six winger. With Schultz probably not being back, Lovejoy possibly moving on (I know he wants to stay in Pittsburgh) and DP being still a suspect, we need defense first IMO.

Doesn't change the thought process. Fleury needs to get dealt regardless.

Is it just 1 player allowed to be taken from each team or is it more than that? I haven't heard

Hossa will be bought out when the CBA is up just like every other bad contract when we have lockouts
- Redmile247

I was actually surprised they didn't do it when they had the chance. I don't think they will be able to do it without the penalties now.

There are two needs ... defensive depth and a top six winger. With Schultz probably not being back, Lovejoy possibly moving on (I know he wants to stay in Pittsburgh) and DP being still a suspect, we need defense first IMO.
- Oneonta Penguin

I don't think anyone can say Schultz probably or probably wont be back. I think its a 50/50 chance.

Is it just 1 player allowed to be taken from each team or is it more than that? I haven't heard
- jchst22

One player

I got that number before I qualified Bennett
- Victoro311

Anyone who qualifies Beau Bennett should be shot. That will be another million down the drain for us to find solutions. He gets a 400K raise for being brittle beau and not doing a single thing positive.

One player
- Victoro311

does beau bennet count as a half?

Anyone who qualifies Beau Bennett should be shot. That will be another million down the drain for us to find solutions. He gets a 400K raise for being brittle beau and not doing a single thing positive.
- Oneonta Penguin

Well JR announced a few days ago he was going to qualify Bennett, so shoot him, not me.

does beau bennet count as a half?
- martox

Yeah and the rights to Dominik Uher is the other half.

does beau bennet count as a half?
- martox

0.1 player since 0.9 of him is always injured.