If I'm calculating correctly

Lehtonen would could $1,733,333 for the next 4 years. That's really not a terrible option for the albatross of a contract.

If I'm calculating correctly

Lehtonen would could $1,733,333 for the next 4 years. That's really not a terrible option for the albatross of a contract.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

In terms of dead cap, that' a big chunk of change.

Just continuing to throw out ideas...what about Fleury for Elliott+pick/prospect? St. Louis may be feeling bold on Hitchcock's last season. They may be trading Shattenkirk so would have the cap room. Penguins get a quality backup and save some cap space.

edit: Yeo is there now so there is that connection.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I am curious to see if anything develops with St Louis.

Elliott is UFA after this year
Allen is RFA

Clearly IF they think MAF can be their playoff guy (I made that IF big on purpose) he'd be a good option...he's signed thru 2018-19 and the Blues have the cap space to bring him in.

I'm very closed minded on this subject for the above reasons I put. I think trading Murray is absolutely dumb for the above reasons I mentioned. To be honest, I'm not reading most of this post, because we are on total opposite sides. The top two guys in this draft are immediate impacts. 3-whatever will take some time. And if 6th pick never pans out, which has happened, then you are left with what, when Calgary would reap every benefit by taking a more proven commodity in the NHL and just won the Cup. I have no anti-bias on Fleury. I have one of his jerseys. That said, we have a better suited goalie to move us forward; a younger one, a more calm one and a cheaper one. I recognize that it is smarter to keep Murray and deal Fleury for the above reasons. Oh, forgot to mention ... Murray didn't have two concussions in two months.

If a second or third rounder guy busts that we get back for dealing Fleury, it isn't as big of a problem than trading Murray, a younger, cheaper and dare I say better solution, for the number six guy to bust. And, there have been several top 10 guys busting in drafts. We might be sitting on one right now in DP.

By the way ... what do the following people have in common - Brent Connolly (2010), Nikita Filatov (2008), Sam Gagner (2007), Gilbert Brule (2005), Brian Finley (1999), Rico Fata (1998), Daniel Tkaczuk (1997), Boyd Devereaux (1996), Steve Kelly (1995), Scott Sissons (1990), Adam Bennett (1989), Scott Pearson (1988), Dave Archibald (1987)
- Oneonta Penguin

Oh by the way...what do the following people have in common Jim Carey(1994-1995), Patrick Lalime(1996-1997), Can Ward(2005-2006), Steve Mason(2008-2009), Antti Niemi(2008-2009), Andrew Raycroft(2003-2004)

IMO
Crosby 1C
Malkin 1C
Bonino 3C

But I get why pens fans are extremely high on him at this moment
- Redmile247

Wow, the Pens need a 2C!

I look at it like this:

Sheary/Kunitz Sidney Crosby Patric Hornqvist
Carl Hagelin Nick Bonino Phil Kessel
Chris Kunitz Evgeni Malkin Bryan Rust

or even:

Carl Hagelin Nick Bonino Phil Kessel
Conor Sheary Sidney Crosby Patric Hornqvist
Chris Kunitz Evgeni Malkin Bryan Rust

I simply don't understand the individual rankings of the 3 best centers as it applies to this team or it's lines. I look at it as which line is playing the best, which by defacto would make (if you have to rank them) the best line having the No. 1 center. This also means the best winger on the team (Kessel) is playing with the 3rd best center? The coach should be fired!

Lucic heads to free agency. Price is too much for pens but man I would love to see him on Sids line and in front of net on pp

Oh by the way...what do the following people have in common Jim Carey(1994-1995), Patrick Lalime(1996-1997), Can Ward(2005-2006), Steve Mason(2008-2009), Antti Niemi(2008-2009), Andrew Raycroft(2003-2004)
- jaydogg1974

Oh Lalime, you were the cat's faschizle at one time.


Almost made me excuse the Penguins for letting Francis go...almost.

In terms of dead cap, that' a big chunk of change.
- Victoro311

That's a pretty desperate situation though. No one is taking that contract. Would you bet against Dallas with Fleury in the West? It's not too farfetched, imo.

IMO
Crosby 1C
Malkin 1C
Bonino 3C

But I get why pens fans are extremely high on him at this moment
- Redmile247

Bonino is 100% a Toronto #1-2 Center, playing with a 1RW Winger and a 2LW

Lucic heads to free agency. Price is too much for pens but man I would love to see him on Sids line and in front of net on pp
- nh4442

Lucic and Hornqvist would be some nice net presence.

Just continuing to throw out ideas...what about Fleury for Elliott+pick/prospect? St. Louis may be feeling bold on Hitchcock's last season. They may be trading Shattenkirk so would have the cap room. Penguins get a quality backup and save some cap space.

edit: Yeo is there now so there is that connection.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I saw this suggest somewhere else, it would definitely come down to what the pick/prospect was.

IMO
Crosby 1C
Malkin 1C
Bonino 3C

But I get why pens fans are extremely high on him at this moment
- Redmile247

Actually what makes Pens fans so high on him is that he is a 3C so they're paying him as a 3C but because they have Crosby & Malkin who can carry lines on their own, they can play Bonino with better talent that elevates his play to the 2C level while being paid as the 3C he really is.

Lucic heads to free agency. Price is too much for pens but man I would love to see him on Sids line and in front of net on pp
- nh4442

I just want to see someone who can skate with Crosby and take the passes. Too many times Sheary was flopping all over the ice and over/underskating passes or trying to be fancy in making a play.

When Sid gets you the puck, you shoot. No Questions asked.

Actually what makes Pens fans so high on him is that he is a 3C so they're paying him as a 3C but because they have Crosby & Malkin who can carry lines on their own, they can play Bonino with better talent that elevates his play to the 2C level while being paid as the 3C he really is.
- jaydogg1974

Honestly, he's being paid like a sub par 3C, which makes it all the better.

Lucic and Hornqvist would be some nice net presence.
- NJPensfan

Lucic's next contract is gonna be horrendous. Stay clear away. Same goes for Ladd. I'd take Boedker over those two, and I don't even particularly want Boedker.

Lucic heads to free agency. Price is too much for pens but man I would love to see him on Sids line and in front of net on pp
- nh4442

Lucic has always been 1 of my favorite players in the league but he doesn't fit the Pens style of play at all and the last place I would want him is on a line with Crosby & Hornqvist. Hornqvist already slows Sid down enough adding another anchor around Sid's neck would just be unfair to Sid.

10.5 mil for a cheerleader who puts up about 60 points... epic value
- Guile

Ok, where to start with this one.. Yes, 10.5 a year for Toews hurts, is his point production worth that much? no, not worth anything over 8 IMO, and in turn its costing us players like Shaw to cap casualties. Which sucks. Do Blackhawks fans wish he was paid less? Yes. But here's the deal, amidst your ignorance, and incessant trolling. He is our captain. The captain of the THREE time cup winning Blackhawks since his captaincy. Post your fancy stats comparing him to Malkin (LOL), poop on his point totals, yes he pales in comparison to Crosby in scoring, fact of the matter is Toews has turned around the Blackhawks organization that was irrelevant for so long. He is the face of the franchise. When its time for that kind of player to get paid, you pay up. He is a better and more accomplished captain and leader than Crosby, hence why Crosby asked him if it was OK if he wore the 'C' for Canada in the last olympics. (google it if you didn't know)

Did Toews get paid too much? sure. Is he a franchise player? yes. Is he a better player than Malkin? Yes. Do you think that one SINGLE NHL GM, if building a team and given the option of either Toews or Malkin would choose Malkin? No. Unfortunately you pay up for a guy who brings what Toews does to an organization, even if it is quite a bit high.

Lucic's next contract is gonna be horrendous. Stay clear away. Same goes for Ladd. I'd take Boedker over those two, and I don't even particularly want Boedker.
- Victoro311

Oh, no doubt. Just talking strictly from a hockey POV, not about money.

Oh by the way...what do the following people have in common Jim Carey(1994-1995), Patrick Lalime(1996-1997), Can Ward(2005-2006), Steve Mason(2008-2009), Antti Niemi(2008-2009), Andrew Raycroft(2003-2004)
- jaydogg1974

You didn't answer my posed question first. Funny thing though on your's. Cam Ward has won a Cup and isn't a bust; neither is Mason nor Niemi (another Cup winner).

Lucic's next contract is gonna be horrendous. Stay clear away. Same goes for Ladd. I'd take Boedker over those two, and I don't even particularly want Boedker.
- Victoro311

That can be said about a lot of the available FA on the market, it's part of the reason I'm not total sold on the idea of moving MAF for cap space, there are very few targets on the market that I would want to commit the term & dollars to that it is going to take to add them. Moving MAF just to tie the team to a bad contract that is going to last 3-4 years longer than Fleury's contract just doesn't seem all that appealing to me.

My order is
Schultz
Boedker
Okposo
Helm
Lucic
Enroth (when flower is traded)

Ok, where to start with this one.. Yes, 10.5 a year for Toews hurts, is his point production worth that much? no, not worth anything over 8 IMO, and in turn its costing us players like Shaw to cap casualties. Which sucks. Do Blackhawks fans wish he was paid less? Yes. But here's the deal, amidst your ignorance, and incessant trolling. He is our captain. The captain of the THREE time cup winning Blackhawks since his captaincy. Post your fancy stats comparing him to Malkin (LOL), poop on his point totals, yes he pales in comparison to Crosby in scoring, fact of the matter is Toews has turned around the Blackhawks organization that was irrelevant for so long. He is the face of the franchise. When its time for that kind of player to get paid, you pay up. He is a better and more accomplished captain and leader than Crosby, hence why Crosby asked him if it was OK if he wore the 'C' for Canada in the last olympics. (google it if you didn't know)

Did Toews get paid too much? sure. Is he a franchise player? yes. Is he a better player than Malkin? Yes. Do you think that one SINGLE NHL GM, if building a team and given the option of either Toews or Malkin would choose Malkin? No. Unfortunately you pay up for a guy who brings what Toews does to an organization, even if it is quite a bit high.
- Trammelt

He is a franchise leader. I don't think he is a franchise player to be honest. He is good, but lets cool your jets on franchise player. He is grossly overpaid and that is because of his leadership qualities. Malkin is a better talent than Toews. Malkin is a better point producer than Toews.

Something to consider here ... Toes has played one more game in his career than Malkin (645 to 644), while he has almost 200 less points than him despite having better line mates for a greater portion of his career.

Toews is getting grossly overpaid for his leadership qualities. Good player without question, but franchise? LOL. You realize he only has one year north of 70 points, right?

So, to recap ... Malkin has 760 points in 644 career games for 1.18 points per game, while Toews has 564 career points in 645 career games for 0.874, but yet Toews is a much better player. Chicago logic.

You didn't answer my posed question first. Funny thing though on your's. Cam Ward has won a Cup and isn't a bust; neither is Mason nor Niemi (another Cup winner).
- Oneonta Penguin

I didn't answer your question because the answer was obvious, I'm not surprised though that you completely missed the connection in my question. To help you out since you didn't get it right, the thing they had in common was that they were all goalies that had great starts to their careers but failed to duplicate the success they had early on, the point was to show that there's no guarantees regardless of how good a player looks in his 1st 30-40 games.

My order is
Schultz
Boedker
Okposo
Helm
Lucic
Enroth (when flower is traded)
- nh4442

We have to trade Flower before we even talk about Boedker or Okposo.

Ok, where to start with this one.. Yes, 10.5 a year for Toews hurts, is his point production worth that much? no, not worth anything over 8 IMO, and in turn its costing us players like Shaw to cap casualties. Which sucks. Do Blackhawks fans wish he was paid less? Yes. But here's the deal, amidst your ignorance, and incessant trolling. He is our captain. The captain of the THREE time cup winning Blackhawks since his captaincy. Post your fancy stats comparing him to Malkin (LOL), poop on his point totals, yes he pales in comparison to Crosby in scoring, fact of the matter is Toews has turned around the Blackhawks organization that was irrelevant for so long. He is the face of the franchise. When its time for that kind of player to get paid, you pay up. He is a better and more accomplished captain and leader than Crosby, hence why Crosby asked him if it was OK if he wore the 'C' for Canada in the last olympics. (google it if you didn't know)

Did Toews get paid too much? sure. Is he a franchise player? yes. Is he a better player than Malkin? Yes. Do you think that one SINGLE NHL GM, if building a team and given the option of either Toews or Malkin would choose Malkin? No. Unfortunately you pay up for a guy who brings what Toews does to an organization, even if it is quite a bit high.
- Trammelt

I'm pretty sure Stan Bowman was the person responsible for turning the franchise around, he was the person who was responsible for constructing the best roster in the league, a roster that made it possible for a player like Toews to win 3 Cups, if not for the rosters that Bowman put together Toews would be completely irrelevant in the league as there are a bunch of 60pt good character guys in the NHL.