7 fwd 3 d 1 g or 8 players and 1 g
Something to consider if they take dead weight back. A Hartnell would have to waive to not be protected. No thanks.
- FLflames34

Do a Columbus Trade and take back Tyutin. Then instantly buy Tyutin out. A NMC does not protect a player from being bought out.

Gives Columbus the cap room that they desperately need and they will be able to draft the Center that they really want in Logan Brown, Clayton Keller, or Tyson Jost.

Does not have as high of impact on Calgary's cap (1.2 mil vs 4.5 mil)

Both Calgary and Columbus (they will want to protect Jones, Murray, and either Johnson or Savard) don't have to protect Tyutin because of his NMC come the expansion draft.


The bigger deal is getting Wideman off the books for this season. His money needs to be gone so that the Flames can address real areas of need. Once Rutherford comes back down to earth and realize he has zero leverage with a Fleury trade and stops asking for 6th overall. Offer a 2nd this year (Florida's) and a the Flames second next year for Fleury. Then see if they will take Wideman if the Flames also add a higher prospect. Personally I say Poirier, but that is because I was hugely disappointed in his development last season and believe he has been surpassed by others in the organization and if they can draft a forward this year. Maybe a little more in a lower prospect of low round draft pick as well.

What's so funny? Money over MacK all day long!!!
- Clyde334

I strongly agree

Again, to repeat what's already been discussed, who the hell else are you protecting? 7 fwd's:
Monahan
Gaudreau
Bennett
Backlund
Frolik
?
?

Who would be worth more to protect? Maybe if Ferland starts being what we all hope he can be. Otherwise, there would be no other top 6 to protect.
- TandA4Flames

Yeah, no one else really worth it, kinda sad when you look at that way.

He is injured a lot, and gets paid 7.425mil. Korpisalo was quite good for them this year too. As for a trade...
#6,35,backs,poirier and 2017 1st for #3 and Bob??
- dr_soiledpants

Bobroskys not worth 7 mil, wow this is crazy!

Do a Columbus Trade and take back Tyutin. Then instantly buy Tyutin out. A NMC does not protect a player from being bought out.

Gives Columbus the cap room that they desperately need and they will be able to draft the Center that they really want in Logan Brown, Clayton Keller, or Tyson Jost.

Does not have as high of impact on Calgary's cap (1.2 mil vs 4.5 mil)

Both Calgary and Columbus (they will want to protect Jones, Murray, and either Johnson or Savard) don't have to protect Tyutin because of his NMC come the expansion draft.


The bigger deal is getting Wideman off the books for this season. His money needs to be gone so that the Flames can address real areas of need. Once Rutherford comes back down to earth and realize he has zero leverage with a Fleury trade and stops asking for 6th overall. Offer a 2nd this year (Florida's) and a the Flames second next year for Fleury. Then see if they will take Wideman if the Flames also add a higher prospect. Personally I say Poirier, but that is because I was hugely disappointed in his development last season and believe he has been surpassed by others in the organization and if they can draft a forward this year. Maybe a little more in a lower prospect of low round draft pick as well.
- dal_johnson

i think that's a mistake, personally. Play Tyutin this year, maybe we even are able to move him at the deadline. Buy him out immediately once the buyout period begins otherwise.

Maybe CLB does something like take back Wideman. We retain $750000 which basically makes him the same cost as Tyutin but for only 1 year. No worry for CLB about having to protect a D they don't want to protect. Then we also take Hartnell. This saves CLB $4.75 mil, eliminates a problem NMC for expansion concerns, gives them the prime position pick at #6 to take the C they want at the draft and freedom to move either Savard or Johnson for another solid return while still having an offensive #4 D in Wideman.

We get a very serviceable LW in Hartnell, we don't take up anymore room on the D roster by adding Tyutin. And of course, we add a young RW ready to play in the NHL in Pulju. Of course we'd still have to add more in players/prospects/picks going to CLB.

i think that's a mistake, personally. Play Tyutin this year, maybe we even are able to move him at the deadline. Buy him out immediately once the buyout period begins otherwise.

Maybe CLB does something like take back Wideman. We retain $750000 which basically makes him the same cost as Tyutin but for only 1 year. No worry for CLB about having to protect a D they don't want to protect. Then we also take Hartnell. This saves CLB $4.75 mil, eliminates a problem NMC for expansion concerns, gives them the prime position pick at #6 to take the C they want at the draft and freedom to move either Savard or Johnson for another solid return while still having an offensive #4 D in Wideman.

We get a very serviceable LW in Hartnell, we don't take up anymore room on the D roster by adding Tyutin. And of course, we add a young RW ready to play in the NHL in Pulju. Of course we'd still have to add more in players/prospects/picks going to CLB.
- TandA4Flames

All that would definitely work. My only concern is that keeping Tyutin and Hartnell's salary on the cap limits the ability to sign a goalie and I believe that there are better options that Hartnell that could be tried for (Okposo / Lucuc / maybe Backes).

I'd rather the idea of trading Wideman's salary for Fleury's (from a cap point of view not that actual palyer trade). Then the Buy out of Tyutin give the room to really go after Lucic or Okposo.

If they can get Monahan and Gaudreau of say 14 mil total, Colborne for maybe 2 mil. And divest themselves of one of Bouma, Stajan, or Raymond then there is the room to offer 5.5, maybe 6 to one of those UFA's

What about Reimer and Ramo (if his recovery is going good of course)? Let Ortio walk or deal his rights. Ramo has zero leverage in negotiations this year so we should be able to get him fairly cheap on a 1 or 2 year deal. Both goalies are more of a 1b option, so in that way it kind of makes sense.

... but I am really sick of the whole "goalie battle" narrative we've had the last few years...and Ramo does seem to play better when he is just givin the reins outright.
- Saskabush

That's the major thing of Bob that pissed me off "lose and you're out"
Just think if sitter did that to Kipper!

I also love how everyone thinks Lucic is $hit. Hopefully this drives the price down. Sign him, throw him on a line with Bennett, and watch the magic happen!!!

I strongly agree
- ScotsonFire

Mony all the way!
Did anyone see the redraft of 2011?
Johnny #1
Dougie#10
Joking #30freaking auto correct

I also love how everyone thinks Lucic is $hit. Hopefully this drives the price down. Sign him, throw him on a line with Bennett, and watch the magic happen!!!
- The-O-G

He has to come down in price and maybe even term for me to want him. 6 x 6 is too much and too long!

He has to come down in price and maybe even term for me to want him. 6 x 6 is too much and too long!
- Clyde334

(frank) it....so he will make 2 mil too much for 2-3 years....he's the PERFECT fit. Can't have it all!

Do a Columbus Trade and take back Tyutin. Then instantly buy Tyutin out. A NMC does not protect a player from being bought out.

Gives Columbus the cap room that they desperately need and they will be able to draft the Center that they really want in Logan Brown, Clayton Keller, or Tyson Jost.

Does not have as high of impact on Calgary's cap (1.2 mil vs 4.5 mil)

Both Calgary and Columbus (they will want to protect Jones, Murray, and either Johnson or Savard) don't have to protect Tyutin because of his NMC come the expansion draft.


The bigger deal is getting Wideman off the books for this season. His money needs to be gone so that the Flames can address real areas of need. Once Rutherford comes back down to earth and realize he has zero leverage with a Fleury trade and stops asking for 6th overall. Offer a 2nd this year (Florida's) and a the Flames second next year for Fleury. Then see if they will take Wideman if the Flames also add a higher prospect. Personally I say Poirier, but that is because I was hugely disappointed in his development last season and believe he has been surpassed by others in the organization and if they can draft a forward this year. Maybe a little more in a lower prospect of low round draft pick as well.
- dal_johnson

To include Wideman for Fleury Im thinking they'd want Kylington or Shinkaruk + 2 2nds. Unless salary retained. I think the 2 lower 2s and Wideman (retain up 1/2) is not that bad. And they may throw back a lower pick with it. Prefer not to give away Kylington or any RW prospect.

(frank) it....so he will make 2 mil too much for 2-3 years....he's the PERFECT fit. Can't have it all!
- The-O-G

completely agree. I'd rather 5.5 mil, but can live with 6.

He is the perfect fit for what this team needs. A big physical power forward that can play in the top 6. Sometimes there are stupid penalties, but that it the price to pay for the physicality.

He would make it so that Bennett, Monahan, and Gaudreau do not get pushed around by the bit pacific division teams like is going to happen if they were to make the playoffs.

If they can get 25 goals out of him 9which he is definitely capable of) then how is it a bad fit.

Mony all the way!
Did anyone see the redraft of 2011?
Johnny #1
Dougie#10
Joking #30freaking auto correct
- K-man25

Didn't know jirki was thought of that highly, feels pretty good knowing we have 3 of the guys in that first round redraft

I also love how everyone thinks Lucic is $hit. Hopefully this drives the price down. Sign him, throw him on a line with Bennett, and watch the magic happen!!!
- The-O-G

things get boring. ferland/bennet/Lucic ....go ice your bruises

What about Reimer and Ramo (if his recovery is going good of course)? Let Ortio walk or deal his rights. Ramo has zero leverage in negotiations this year so we should be able to get him fairly cheap on a 1 or 2 year deal. Both goalies are more of a 1b option, so in that way it kind of makes sense.

... but I am really sick of the whole "goalie battle" narrative we've had the last few years...and Ramo does seem to play better when he is just givin the reins outright.
- Saskabush

That's where I think that Ortio should be the backup. Then there is a for sure #1. Plus I'm really not ready to give up on Ortio. I think that he gets better each year and some goalies take until they are 26 or 27 before they are regulars. Flames fans know this all too well.

we'll give you jaro halak for a 3rd round pick...hell, give us a 4th.

we won't run with 3 goalies this season and while I'd like to keep halak, his cap hit is higher than greiss and berube combined.

only 4.5 though, perfectly reasonable for a starter.

That's where I think that Ortio should be the backup. Then there is a for sure #1. Plus I'm really not ready to give up on Ortio. I think that he gets better each year and some goalies take until they are 26 or 27 before they are regulars. Flames fans know this all too well.
- Flames in 6 04

Give Ortio a 2 year deal so he can be exposed instead of gillies

things get boring. ferland/bennet/Lucic ....go ice your bruises
- numbear

Or: JG Money Frolik, Ladd Bennett Ferland/Colborne

we'll give you jaro halak for a 3rd round pick...hell, give us a 4th.

we won't run with 3 goalies this season and while I'd like to keep halak, his cap hit is higher than greiss and berube combined.

only 4.5 though, perfectly reasonable for a starter.
- Isles_since_6

This is honestly my fav solution. Ive mentioned Halak here a few times and yet to get a single bite out of Flames fans. Cheaper, had a playoff run, susceptible to injuries but still competent enough until Gillies is ready.

Mony all the way!
Did anyone see the redraft of 2011?
Johnny #1
Dougie#10
Joking #30freaking auto correct
- K-man25

Think Sven cracks the top 30 when they do the 10 yr lookback?

This is honestly my fav solution. Ive mentioned Halak here a few times and yet to get a single bite out of Flames fans. Cheaper, had a playoff run, susceptible to injuries but still competent enough until Gillies is ready.
- FLflames34

I wouldn't be opposed to this either as it's cheaper than fleury or Bishop

This is honestly my fav solution. Ive mentioned Halak here a few times and yet to get a single bite out of Flames fans. Cheaper, had a playoff run, susceptible to injuries but still competent enough until Gillies is ready.
- FLflames34

Its an option. Not near the top though, IMO.

we'll give you jaro halak for a 3rd round pick...hell, give us a 4th.

we won't run with 3 goalies this season and while I'd like to keep halak, his cap hit is higher than greiss and berube combined.

only 4.5 though, perfectly reasonable for a starter.
- Isles_since_6

Is he a starter though...really?

Its an option. Not near the top though, IMO.
- TandA4Flames

Why get a top tier goalie and pay through the nose if you dont think you will compete for the cup in the next 2 yrs? Halak is a perfectly cheap stopgap, assuming you subscribe to the Gillies kool-aid. And he certainly would be better than last year, at least. Who knows, Ortio is young too, maybe he is retained and turns a corner when Halak gets injured.