A little off topic, but the goalie thing has been beat to death and I don't want to overpay to move up to draft Pulu, even though I think he is the perfect fit. Would rather move down to draft Tyson Jost. But this Datsyuk thing is really intriguing and could be a big opportunity.

To Calgary: Datsyuk, Howard, Mantha, 16th pick

To Detroit: Raymond, Smid, Klimchuk, 54th and 56th pick

Detroit frees up 9.64 million in cap space, assuming Smid gets placed on LTIR. They get a serviceable yet overpaid winger in Raymond for 1 year, they add a prospect they can slowly develop who is buried on our depth chart and they drop out of the 1st round but gain 2 seconds.

Calgary takes on some heavy cap space for a single year, but it provides our stopgap goalie, strengthens our prospect depth on RW, and gets us into a position to draft a second top tier player in the first round of the draft with a guy like Mcleod, Kunin, Stanley, or Bean.

A little off topic, but the goalie thing has been beat to death and I don't want to overpay to move up to draft Pulu, even though I think he is the perfect fit. Would rather move down to draft Tyson Jost. But this Datsyuk thing is really intriguing and could be a big opportunity.

To Calgary: Datsyuk, Howard, Mantha, 16th pick

To Detroit: Raymond, Smid, Klimchuk, 54th and 56th pick

Detroit frees up 9.64 million in cap space, assuming Smid gets placed on LTIR. They get a serviceable yet overpaid winger in Raymond for 1 year, they add a prospect they can slowly develop who is buried on our depth chart and they drop out of the 1st round but gain 2 seconds.

Calgary takes on some heavy cap space for a single year, but it provides our stopgap goalie, strengthens our prospect depth on RW, and gets us into a position to draft a second top tier player in the first round of the draft with a guy like Mcleod, Kunin, Stanley, or Bean.
- JallHockey

We don't have the cap space to aborb Datsyuk's hit. Last I've heard Smid was on track to be ready at the start of the season so no LTIR for him. Mantha hasn't progressed as expected, if Detroit of all teams is willing to give up on him that isn't a good sign.

I can't read any more of these proposals

I can't read any more of these proposals
- The-O-G

I was out in the field yesterday and I checked my phone quick. Big mistake, the Backlund proposals were stressing me out (even though I've thrown him into a couple of deals)

I hope BT makes the big splashes soon and I can't wait for the (frank)ing draft to be over so I can enjoy the summer

My god these offers are spinning out of control today... Hopefully BT has more self-control than we as fans...

I think the other thing we really need to get under control is our paranoia over the expansion process. If every team out there can only protect 10 skaters (or 8 depending on choices) and a goalie, that means every team is exposing at least 1 goalie and a minimum of 8 NHL regulars (plus, in some cases, prospects)

That's (minimum) 240 players exposed (including free agents) to expansion and 30 goalies - to a team that can hold 55 contracts and has to hit a cap floor. Vegas will not want to entirely fill their roster through expansion drafts with a decent crop of potential free agents as well.

There is risk of losing some young players through this process, for sure, and you take steps to safeguard yourself as much as possible, but Gillies will not be the only young goalie exposed next year, nor necessarily the most talented.

We don't have the cap space to aborb Datsyuk's hit. Last I've heard Smid was on track to be ready at the start of the season so no LTIR for him. Mantha hasn't progressed as expected, if Detroit of all teams is willing to give up on him that isn't a good sign.
- Saskabush

I didn't realize Smid was that close. Good info. Well in that case this trade only helps us if Smid is ready. With him and Raymond going the other way, it think it could still be doable, but we wouldn't be able to sign any big free agents. Mony, Johnny and Colbourne would put us right close to the cap ceiling.

I can't read any more of these proposals
- The-O-G

want me to PM you some more

I've included Backlund in every trade with Clb. What would you guys say to trading the 6th and all 3 2nds for the 3rd and Hartnell?

Frees up space for Clb, they get a pile of picks that could allow them to draft a Centre and a couple of d (or use the 2nds to move up to grab one of the big 3 d).

Anyone think that's enough to make Clb bite?

I didn't realize Smid was that close. Good info. Well in that case this trade only helps us if Smid is ready. With him and Raymond going the other way, it think it could still be doable, but we wouldn't be able to sign any big free agents. Mony, Johnny and Colbourne would put us right close to the cap ceiling.
- JallHockey

If Smid is back that really screws our team...
We're better off with Nakladal and Jokki

I've included Backlund in every trade with Clb. What would you guys say to trading the 6th and all 3 2nds for the 3rd and Hartnell?

Frees up space for Clb, they get a pile of picks that could allow them to draft a Centre and a couple of d (or use the 2nds to move up to grab one of the big 3 d).

Anyone think that's enough to make Clb bite?
- Saskabush

How good is Puljujarvi? I just haven't seen enough to justify thinking he's worth all we're making him out to be in the end these are still prospects and they played in different leagues and continents making it even harder to compare....
Every year it seems clear cut but years later it's often very different....

Look at monahan's draft year.... If the draft was redone everyone was pretty close up there and everyone would have a different interpretation of what the correct order would be

How good is Puljujarvi? I just haven't seen enough to justify thinking he's worth all we're making him out to be in the end these are still prospects and they played in different leagues and continents making it even harder to compare....
Every year it seems clear cut but years later it's often very different....

Look at monahan's draft year.... If the draft was redone everyone was pretty close up there and everyone would have a different interpretation of what the correct order would be
- cpltanto

Scary good... e5

Seriously, worth moving up for the chance at him.

If Smid is back that really screws our team...
We're better off with Nakladal and Jokki
- cpltanto

Agreed

Scary good... e5

Seriously, worth moving up for the chance at him.
- geta02it

Mackinnon was touted like a generational talent and we'd have to give up the moon to move up to number 1 overall to nab him.... Now I wouldnt even trade Monahan for Mackinnon let alone add more pieces

Just saying.... It's still a crapshoot with these prospects

Mackinnon was touted like a generational talent and we'd have to give up the moon to move up to number 1 overall to nab him.... Now I wouldnt even trade Monahan for Mackinnon let alone add more pieces

Just saying.... It's still a crapshoot with these prospects
- cpltanto

How good is Puljujarvi? I just haven't seen enough to justify thinking he's worth all we're making him out to be in the end these are still prospects and they played in different leagues and continents making it even harder to compare....
Every year it seems clear cut but years later it's often very different....

Look at monahan's draft year.... If the draft was redone everyone was pretty close up there and everyone would have a different interpretation of what the correct order would be
- cpltanto

I think he's worth the 6th 2 2nds and grabbing Hartnell, but I doubt that happens, everyone on here is dreaming. I think BT's number one priority is getting a goalie. Its too ad because we really have the pieces to make a deal work with Columbus

Mackinnon was touted like a generational talent and we'd have to give up the moon to move up to number 1 overall to nab him.... Now I wouldnt even trade Monahan for Mackinnon let alone add more pieces

Just saying.... It's still a crapshoot with these prospects
- cpltanto

Agreed but we got Brodie and Johnny in what the 2nd and 3rd rounds? I doubt there are too many Alexandre Daigles in this group.

The FL are in an excellent position moving forward. They have so many young, quality, players. I think Fleury would be ideal and I really believe the return to Pens would be a 2nd and a prospect. I love Fleury and want to see him succeed also. Additionally, he's been behind some terrible defensive clubs and seems to be improving with age. He should be your one and only target. I also believe, for his sake, Calgary should be his destination of choice.

Agreed but we got Brodie and Johnny in what the 2nd and 3rd rounds? I doubt there are too many Alexandre Daigles in this group.
- geta02it

This is exactly why you don't throw in a bunch only 2nds to move up because quantity is sometimes better than perceived quality this early in these prospects careers

The FL are in an excellent position moving forward. They have so many young, quality, players. I think Fleury would be ideal and I really believe the return to Pens would be a 2nd and a prospect. I love Fleury and want to see him succeed also. Additionally, he's been behind some terrible defensive clubs and seems to be improving with age. He should be your one and only target. I also believe, for his sake, Calgary should be his destination of choice.
- cranktheradio

You mind giving Rutherford a quick call?

This is exactly why you don't throw in a bunch only 2nds to move up because quantity is sometimes better than perceived quality this early in these prospects careers
- cpltanto

But...

of all the picks (any team) has, how many turn out that way? The top prospects are the top because they possess something a guy at 95, 125 doesn't. I'd love to know the stat (Tanner?) for how many drafted players even make the NHL...

"Reimer isn't a big name but over the last two seasons he has posted a better 5 v 5 save percentage than Bishop, Varlamov, Frederik Andersen and Martin Jones, among others."
Its amazing how little respect Reimer gets, I guess he'll never get that Toronto stink off of him. Best even strength save % in the league this past season, and everyone keeps making comments like "I guess we could settle for Reimer, for now"
Have his save %, with most of the games being with Toronto, is nothing short of incredible. They give up 40 shots, and 20 legitimate goal scoring chances a game. They've been good at running goaltenders out of the leaque for many years. Good luck to Freddy, probably doesn't realize what he's done yet.

- DDM-Coga

What's so funny? Money over MacK all day long!!!

If Smid is back that really screws our team...
We're better off with Nakladal and Jokki
- cpltanto

Last I heard was that his future was really up in the air. Plus, I didn't think you could trade a player on LTIR?

"Reimer isn't a big name but over the last two seasons he has posted a better 5 v 5 save percentage than Bishop, Varlamov, Frederik Andersen and Martin Jones, among others."
Its amazing how little respect Reimer gets, I guess he'll never get that Toronto stink off of him. Best even strength save % in the league this past season, and everyone keeps making comments like "I guess we could settle for Reimer, for now"
Have his save %, with most of the games being with Toronto, is nothing short of incredible. They give up 40 shots, and 20 legitimate goal scoring chances a game. They've been good at running goaltenders out of the leaque for many years. Good luck to Freddy, probably doesn't realize what he's done yet.
- WS_Reimer

Only knock I have on Reimer is his limited number of games per season. I think the most he's played in is around 36. Could he keep these number up with 60 starts?

Only knock I have on Reimer is his limited number of games per season. I think the most he's played in is around 36. Could he keep these number up with 60 starts?
- Flames in 6 04

....so he will be well rested.