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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 22 @ 8:30 AM ET
IMO that's the only reason people are questioning this.......if it hadn't have been for bernier, toskola, the guy you traded for rask (he was so bad i can't even remember his name ), etc....people would look more favorable at this deal. it's like ottawa and coaches recently.

IMO, i hate the move (as a sens fan) which tells me that it was actually a really good move by the leafs.

- sensarmy_11


Geeze, I hate that anecdote from the Ducks fan above that he would let in a gimme every game.

That sounds exactly like Bernier.
Weakglovehand20
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Bloomingdale, IL
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 22 @ 8:33 AM ET
A good deal for TOR. They gave up basically 2 2nd rounders to get the best available goaltender. Signing him for 5M x 5 yrs. seals the deal and Bernier will either be dealt at the draft or left available for expansion. Murray will get more for his extra goalie than TOR will. Bernier will fetch a late 2nd or 3rd, if traded. Calgary needs netminders so Bernier will get another chance sooner or later this year.
Sec111
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 07.14.2006

Jun 22 @ 8:34 AM ET
I wouldn't be calling any of those besides Matthews as a potential superstar. Good Players and several could become stars, but that's it IMO.
- haymac

Yakupov?
oh and while we are at it
Reinhart (thanks so much)
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 22 @ 8:34 AM ET
Geeze, I hate that anecdote from the Ducks fan above that he would let in a gimme every game.

That sounds exactly like Bernier.

- Aetherial


m'eh, every goalie has their weaknesses......and all fans fell like almost every shot should be saved. i often feel the same about our anderson, seems like he got beat by a wrap around atleast once per game. overall his numbers seem solid......i think they're likely to regress this year simply based on teh fact that toronto is nearly as good as anaheim right now, but i think you guys will be fine. his GAA and win totals probably won't be great, but as long as his sv% stays around where it is now i would have no worries moving forward.
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:43 AM ET
come on now.........he was the best guy available that wasn't already signed to a big contract.

bishop and fleury are better goalies.......i would argue that bishop is much better.

anderson was the best option for the leafs, given where they are as an organization and his age....but he was absolutely not the "best goalie available"

- sensarmy_11


To be fair, he said best goalie on the market. Nobody even knows if Bishop or MAF are available yet.
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:46 AM ET
IMO that's the only reason people are questioning this.......if it hadn't have been for bernier, toskola, the guy you traded for rask (he was so bad i can't even remember his name ), etc....people would look more favorable at this deal. it's like ottawa and coaches recently.

IMO, i hate the move (as a sens fan) which tells me that it was actually a really good move by the leafs.

- sensarmy_11


Raycroft. He has the Leafs record for most regular season wins by a goalie.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 22 @ 8:51 AM ET
Raycroft. He has the Leafs record for most regular season wins by a goalie.
- SolidGoldBricks


does he really

the way he's talked about you'd think he was the worst goalie of all time

edit: just checked his stats, how the hell did he win 37 games with a .894 sv%
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 22 @ 8:54 AM ET
To be fair, he said best goalie on the market. Nobody even knows if Bishop or MAF are available yet.
- SolidGoldBricks


pretty sure everyone knows they're available.....they're as available as andersen was at least.....but i see your point.
quackup
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Joined: 09.29.2014

Jun 22 @ 9:51 AM ET
m'eh, every goalie has their weaknesses......and all fans fell like almost every shot should be saved. i often feel the same about our anderson, seems like he got beat by a wrap around atleast once per game. overall his numbers seem solid......i think they're likely to regress this year simply based on teh fact that toronto is nearly as good as anaheim right now, but i think you guys will be fine. his GAA and win totals probably won't be great, but as long as his sv% stays around where it is now i would have no worries moving forward.
- sensarmy_11

sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 22 @ 9:55 AM ET

- quackup


come on man....that was clearly a typo....should have said "isn't"

if you can't figure that out on your own then i suggest you stay off the internet or your likely going to hurt yourself.

1993_Cup_Champs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Heart of Mid-western Ontario
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jun 22 @ 10:10 AM ET
Great read!

Andersen is a good goalie, as he overthrew Hiller, Fasth, LaBarbera, Khabibulin, and Bryzgalov in becoming a #1. His commitment to excellence and professionalism earned him this opportunity. I'll keep an eye out for a Lego, Toronto Maple Leaf fusion goalie mask!

Why did Anaheim go with Gibson over Andersen? I think Gibson is the better of the two. Moreover, he's younger, and is signed for the next 3 years. Anyways, when Gibson is on, on he is good. The guy can close, and his shutouts are proof of that. The guy gets shutouts like I've never seen from this team. That works!

For Ducks fans, this is a very Bob Murray move, as it has the same feeling as the Etem and Palmieri trade from last summer. Bob knows strength comes from the draft in the salary cap era. Teams must draft and develop. The scouting team has been hitting it out of the park lately, so this'll pay dividends down the road. These next couple of weeks are about the draft and signing Perron.

- IGotTheMemo


No offense, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement based on that list of turd goaltenders u mentioned. I have yet to see a goalie that's thrived in Anaheim actually do anything productive since they left the ducks. It's quite apparent that the Anaheim system carries the goaltenders.
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Jun 22 @ 10:57 AM ET
Yeah, Andersen might finally get you guys a return to the playoffs. He's a really solid regular season goalie. But Ed gives him credit for backstopping the Ducks to the conference finals. Technically it's true. But remember, the Ducks beat Winnipeg and Calgary in walkovers to get there. And Andersen didn't exactly steal a game against Chicago. In fact, I clearly remember a goal, I think it was in game 7, by Toews where he threw the puck at the net while simultaneously touching the goal line and the right boards. IMHO, Freddie is not a big time player. He's not as big a choker as Hiller was. But he's a bit of a choker when the heat is on. And if he can't see the puck, he'll let in goals low short side that have no business going in. Freddie, just throw a freakin' butterfly when you can't see instead of just standing there looking like you're trying to solve a mystery, ok?
- yzermaneely


Didn't he have a .949 spct against the Hawks in that series?
AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jun 22 @ 10:59 AM ET
My opinion is the leafs gave up two much and then paid Andersen to much on his contract.
- Scooby_Doo


The word you're looking for is "TOO". Somehow you spelled it incorrectly TWO separate times
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:01 AM ET
The word you're looking for is "TOO". Somehow you spelled it incorrectly TWO separate times
- AxlRose91


mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
come on now.........he was the best guy available that wasn't already signed to a big contract.

bishop and fleury are better goalies.......i would argue that bishop is much better.

anderson was the best option for the leafs, given where they are as an organization and his age....but he was absolutely not the "best goalie available"

- sensarmy_11


Not sure about him, I actually think they're similar. Bishop though, 100% agree. Could (SHould) win the Vezina this season. Outside of injuries, I'm not sure Tampa should let this guy go over Vas.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
A 30th and a second, for a starter on one of the league's best teams, at 26 years old or whatever he is?

That isn't too much.

The contract is risky for sure. If he comes here and craps the bed (we have seen it many times before), then the Leafs will have undone the good work they did dumping some other bad contracts.

If he is what the Leafs believe he is, at his age, then neither the trade nor the contract are overpayments.

- Aetherial


Time will tell. All I'm saying is my opinion. He's got a lot of holes in his game, leafs gave up a lot to get him and then signed him long term at a high end cap hit for today's goalies. It's a risk, especially reading scouting reports on him.
http://www.rantsports.com...lence-critics-in-2015-16/
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
The word you're looking for is "TOO". Somehow you spelled it incorrectly TWO separate times
- AxlRose91


Done on purpose pal. Glad someone coughed it.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:23 AM ET
The word you're looking for is "TOO". Somehow you spelled it incorrectly TWO separate times
- AxlRose91


getzlaugh
Anaheim Ducks
Location: WA
Joined: 09.10.2015

Jun 22 @ 11:23 AM ET
Really happy about this trade, we've known this was coming after Gibson was extended at the beginning of the year. FA will make a great starter for a rebuilding team in TOR.

FA definitely could carry this team through the regular season, but I started to doubt his ability to help the team close games like in 14-15 against Chicago (for the reasons stated above) and this season. Anaheim didn't lose the series to Nashville because of FA, but I wondered if fate would have been different if BB went back to Gibson for game 7.

Great return for the Ducks, deepen that prospect pool.

Now lets resign 47 and 67, and move out 4 for a nice return to make way for Shea Theodore.
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
Time will tell. All I'm saying is my opinion. He's got a lot of holes in his game, leafs gave up a lot to get him and then signed him long term at a high end cap hit for today's goalies. It's a risk, especially reading scouting reports on him.
http://www.rantsports.com...lence-critics-in-2015-16/

- Scooby_Doo


19th highest paid goalie is high end?
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:38 AM ET
19th highest paid goalie is high end?
- mykokes


As I said, today's goalies...
Not guys like Lundqvist, Price, Rinne etc...

Martin Jones makes $3m. Andersen makes $5m.

Get my drift Palio?
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:44 AM ET
does he really

the way he's talked about you'd think he was the worst goalie of all time

edit: just checked his stats, how the hell did he win 37 games with a .894 sv%

- sensarmy_11


Shocking, I know. He was not good, but he's got that record
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:57 AM ET
As I said, today's goalies...
Not guys like Lundqvist, Price, Rinne etc...

Martin Jones makes $3m. Andersen makes $5m.

Get my drift Palio?

- Scooby_Doo


Jones signed that when he was not a starter. Andersen signed as a starter. Jones will likely not be making $3mm a year on his next contract.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jun 22 @ 12:05 PM ET
Jones signed that when he was not a starter. Andersen signed as a starter. Jones will likely not be making $3mm a year on his next contract.
- SolidGoldBricks


He signed it with San Jose after they traded for him. Pretty much same return as Andersen, same age, same situation.
Stalock was not the starter, nor was be going to be. Sharks traded for Jones to be their starter.
Ed Stein
Anaheim Ducks
Location: McKinney, TX
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jun 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
You Ducks fans (and Ed of course) make me happier and happier about this trade/signing. I like a lot about Andersen, but seeing so many Ducks people thinking this is good for Toronto is giving me a lot of hope.

Ed, solid joke to end this blog. It honestly made me laugh out loud.

- SolidGoldBricks


Sometimes reality can be very funny.
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