Again I stress, I think there's no option other than trading a big contract for Shattenkirk. If we trade picks and prospects, we're letting Eriksson walk for nothing, and then won't be able to resign Shattenkirk, Spooner, and Marchand anyways, and one of them will walk as well.

When players get too expensive, someone needs to get traded. It's what Chicago does. They don't let them walk for nothing. Letting Eriksson walk and keeping all these other contracts will be the downfall of the team. What's worth more, Eriksson and the futures, or Krejci or Marchand. In that case, I'm trading Krejci or Marchand.
- Videoj

Blues aren't taking on salary in a Shattenkirk trade. Boston doesn't want to give up picks/prospects/young guys for him, then he'll get traded to someone who does. Or Blues will keep him another year.

And what Chicago does is pay other teams to take their players when they get to expensive (Sharp, Bickell) lose them for nothing (Oduya) or trade them when they are still young (Saad).

think Donny's gonna make an offer to Looch? I think he's fit well on Krejki's line, and has veteran Stanley Cup experience that could help some of the young kids coming up.

Blues aren't taking on salary in a Shattenkirk trade. Boston doesn't want to give up picks/prospects/young guys for him, then he'll get traded to someone who does. Or Blues will keep him another year.

And what Chicago does is pay other teams to take their players when they get to expensive (Sharp, Bickell) lose them for nothing (Oduya) or trade them when they are still young (Saad).
- Antilles

I think you need to temper your expectations a bit on a shattenkirk return. He could be a 1 year rental. Bruins only got what they did for Lucic because they retained 50%

29th, Spooner, Trotman

think Donny's gonna make an offer to Looch? I think he's fit well on Krejki's line, and has veteran Stanley Cup experience that could help some of the young kids coming up.
- 77emac77

If he takes Beleskey's cap hit, sure.

Blues aren't taking on salary in a Shattenkirk trade. Boston doesn't want to give up picks/prospects/young guys for him, then he'll get traded to someone who does. Or Blues will keep him another year.

And what Chicago does is pay other teams to take their players when they get to expensive (Sharp, Bickell) lose them for nothing (Oduya) or trade them when they are still young (Saad).
- Antilles

That's why I suggested Marchand. Similar cap hit. Gives them some more scoring.

That's why I suggested Marchand. Similar cap hit. Gives them some more scoring.
- Videoj

Highly doubt Blues have interest in Marchand. Better to give up Shattenkirk for picks/prospects then spend slightly more to keep Backes.

I think you need to temper your expectations a bit on a shattenkirk return. He could be a 1 year rental. Bruins only got what they did for Lucic because they retained 50%

29th, Spooner, Trotman
- Shaundre93

Shattenkirk has more value than Lucic did. Lucic put up 44 points the year before being traded, but as a winger. Shattenkirk put up that many as a defenseman. Bruins retained salary, but Lucic was overpaid, Shattenkirk isn't; Shattenkirk's full salary is near what Lucic's cap hit was for LA. There were lots of top 6 wingers on the trade market or upcoming UFA then. Shattenkirk might be the only RHD known to be on the available that could handle first pairing minutes with Chara. And defensemen and centers are just inherently more valuable than wings.

You aren't getting Shattenkirk now for what Blues could get for him at the trade deadline. This is a weak draft. Meaning any first round pick at the next draft is worth more than the 29th this summer.

Shattenkirk has more value than Lucic did. Lucic put up 44 points the year before being traded, but as a winger. Shattenkirk put up that many as a defenseman. Bruins retained salary, but Lucic was overpaid, Shattenkirk isn't; Shattenkirk's full salary is near what Lucic's cap hit was for LA. There were lots of top 6 wingers on the trade market or upcoming UFA then. Shattenkirk might be the only RHD known to be on the available that could handle first pairing minutes with Chara. And defensemen and centers are just inherently more valuable than wings.

You aren't getting Shattenkirk now for what Blues could get for him at the trade deadline. This is a weak draft. Meaning any first round pick at the next draft is worth more than the 29th this summer.
- Antilles

You think it's a weak draft? That's the first time I've heard that.

You think it's a weak draft? That's the first time I've heard that.
- mixturebill

"This draft isn't as deep as the last couple" ~Doug Armstrong

He clearly isn't thrilled with the options likely available to us at 28. Which indicates the value he'd put on 29.

"This draft isn't as deep as the last couple" ~Doug Armstrong

He clearly isn't thrilled with the options likely available to us at 28. Which indicates the value he'd put on 29.
- Antilles

Coming from a GM that really doesn't hold much weight. Of course he's going to try to spin it in a way that makes things more valuable for him...

Everyone else... every draft guy, or prospects guy, or whatever else that I've seen have all said that this is a really deep draft at every position. I'd tend to agree with them more than a GM looking to improve trade values for himself.

Coming from a GM that really doesn't hold much weight. Of course he's going to try to spin it in a way that makes things more valuable for him...

Everyone else... every draft guy, or prospects guy, or whatever else that I've seen have all said that this is a really deep draft at every position. I'd tend to agree with them more than a GM looking to improve trade values for himself.
- mixturebill

He wasn't talking about potential trades, he was talking about who Blues will draft at 28. Said there are a few we like unlikely to slip to us.

Draft guys say every single draft is a deep draft. They are worse than GM's at blowing things out of proportion, because people only care what they have to say once a year and they need to make the draft sound important. If Armstrong was just posturing about the draft, he would just say that to Boston. He isn't going to come out and tell Blues fans not to get excited about who we might get at 28 then 24 hours later tell fans he traded Shattenkirk for 29.

Shattenkirk has more value than Lucic did. Lucic put up 44 points the year before being traded, but as a winger. Shattenkirk put up that many as a defenseman. Bruins retained salary, but Lucic was overpaid, Shattenkirk isn't; Shattenkirk's full salary is near what Lucic's cap hit was for LA. There were lots of top 6 wingers on the trade market or upcoming UFA then. Shattenkirk might be the only RHD known to be on the available that could handle first pairing minutes with Chara. And defensemen and centers are just inherently more valuable than wings.

You aren't getting Shattenkirk now for what Blues could get for him at the trade deadline. This is a weak draft. Meaning any first round pick at the next draft is worth more than the 29th this summer.
- Antilles

How can you say any pick is better in next year's draft than this one at 29. Obviously it's a low pick, but what if next year's draft is worse? And Boston also has the 14th pick as well. You can't overvalue your players. For you to say Marchand isn't worth shat is crazy. It's swapping assets. And you're getting a player you could only hope to draft in a first round. That swap makes both teams better.

How can you say any pick is better in next year's draft than this one at 29. Obviously it's a low pick, but what if next year's draft is worse? And Boston also has the 14th pick as well. You can't overvalue your players. For you to say Marchand isn't worth shat is crazy. It's swapping assets. And you're getting a player you could only hope to draft in a first round. That swap makes both teams better.
- Videoj

The chances of Blues picking up a first at the trade deadline and it being lower than 29 are very low. Add in the Blues viewing this draft as weak, and a first at the trade deadline beats 29 overall right now without question.

Marchand for Shattenkirk doesn't make sense for the Blues. It's not just about Marchand's value. It's the other options out there, and who Blues could spend that money on. Trade Shattenkirk for picks and prospects, you end up with Backes resigned, picks, and prospects. Trade him for Marchand, you end up with just Marchand.

I think you are underestimating what top puck moving defensemen cost. Shattenkirk is better than Yandle. Yandle got a first, second, one of the top 30 prospects in the NHL, and a roster player. Yandle was getting traded for two playoffs and a season, so Blues won't get that. But they aren't giving him up for a pick with lower value than a first at the deadline and the type of prospect/roster player options they could get at the deadline. There is no reason to.

The chances of Blues picking up a first at the trade deadline and it being lower than 29 are very low. Add in the Blues viewing this draft as weak, and a first at the trade deadline beats 29 overall right now without question.

Marchand for Shattenkirk doesn't make sense for the Blues. It's not just about Marchand's value. It's the other options out there, and who Blues could spend that money on. Trade Shattenkirk for picks and prospects, you end up with Backes resigned, picks, and prospects. Trade him for Marchand, you end up with just Marchand.

I think you are underestimating what top puck moving defensemen cost. Shattenkirk is better than Yandle. Yandle got a first, second, one of the top 30 prospects in the NHL, and a roster player. Yandle was getting traded for two playoffs and a season, so Blues won't get that. But they aren't giving him up for a pick with lower value than a first at the deadline and the type of prospect/roster player options they could get at the deadline. There is no reason to.
- Antilles

So......add hookers and blow to the trade. Got it

Fine. Boston can't get shattenkirk.

Thanks.

Nevermind

Fine. Boston can't get shattenkirk.

Thanks.

Nevermind
- Videoj

Boston can get Shattenkirk. It's just likely to cost something like Spooner and 14 overall. Which isn't ridiculous, it's in the range of what your blogger was saying it would cost in the blog we are commenting on.

I wouldn't be surprised if that deal is already in place, but both GM's are waiting to put it through until they see who falls to 14. If there is someone Boston rates highly that makes it, they call it off. If there is no one Blues really like there, they call it off.

Boston can get Shattenkirk. It's just likely to cost something like Spooner and 14 overall. Which isn't ridiculous, it's in the range of what your blogger was saying it would cost in the blog we are commenting on.

I wouldn't be surprised if that deal is already in place, but both GM's are waiting to put it through until they see who falls to 14. If there is someone Boston rates highly that makes it, they call it off. If there is no one Blues really like there, they call it off.
- Antilles

I think that is too much for him. Maybe the 29th and spooner or shat and a 2nd for the 14th and spooner. But I wouldn't lose a top 6 player who can play wing and Center and is so young plus the 14th overall pick.

But you're right, whatever happens will happen mid draft tomorrow

TSN 1040 (via TODAY’S SLAPSHOT): Darren Dreger reports the Blues are trying to extend Shattenkirk but it’s not looking good. The Boston Bruins reportedly offered one of their two first round picks (14th and 29th overall) to the Blues for the defenseman. Dreger claims there’s a sense Shattenkirk seeks a deal comparable to teammate Alex Pietrangelo ($6.5 million annual cap hit).

I think more than the pick would be needed. Hopefully they can get it done with the 14th and Joe Morrow or Trotman. Or Perhaps Griffith, Morrow and the 29th...


Again I prefer losing a big name contract so we can sign eriksson...

CSNNE.COM: Joe Haggerty advocates the Boston Bruins sign Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Seth Jones to an offer sheet. As the Bruins lack second- and third-round picks in 2017 to make a reasonable offer, Haggerty suggests they pitch a $9.3 million per season offer, meaning the Bruins would forfeit their next four first-round draft picks as compensation if the Blues Jackets failed to match. He believes it’s a bold move but thinks Jones would be worth it.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Bear in mind, Haggerty isn’t saying the Bruins will do this. It’s simply his suggestion they make an audacious move to address their defense corps. I doubt Bruins GM Don Sweeney is that adventurous. Offer sheets are rare and the last player successfully signed away was Dustin Penner from the Ducks to the Oilers back in 2007.

And this is the stupidest thing I've ever read. 9.3 million tied up in one player. EXACTLY what we need right now.

Stupid Haggerty

The sooner we trade Erickssons rights away the better.

If we sign him for anything over 4 years and $5.5 per it's a horrible idea. We need to get younger in our top six/nine not older with a bunch of 30 plus year old guys.

Why would Ericksson be a better signing than Pev, Kelly or Seidenberg?

Wish they would smarten up an stop signing 30 yr olds and trading away mid 20 yr olds............(frank)ing idiots.

And sign Marchand for $6.5 to $7 per for 5-6 years ASAP.

ADDED: Loui is 31 next month. Brad is 28 until next May.