"It is akin to a dealer showing a 7 and you hitting on 18."

uh...no it's not...unless this card game is gonna last several months.

You are of the "hurry up and do something mentality" and nothing needs to be done.

My argument is based on the Pens have goaltending depth, part of which is a rookie who may or may not be as good as the guy he is supposed to be replacing.

The expansion draft is not tomorrow...it's a good way off yet.

We are not in a weak position.

Think about it...if you agree with RW about how there isn't much value to be obtained from a MAF trade, then isn't he MORE valuable on our roster?

If we part ways later...after he plays half a season and wins some games...and we see Murray is okay...and we get an OK deal for MAF...then are we any worse off?
- icedog97

It is the same in that you are betting against the odds on a variable that has a much lower likelihood of playing out ie injury or another goalie struggling. Who is to say the opposite doesnt happen and other teams end up with multiple goalies performing above average so more goalies are available via trade as opposed to more teams in need of a goalie in your scenario. You can't negotiate based off unknowns, only the available information.

He is not more valuable on our roster if waiting means one of the 3 options I previously posted get forced to play out. In that instance, his added "depth" effectively has a negative value by forcing us to do a buyout, give up assets to get rid of him, or losing Murray.

The whole Fleury thing has literally nothing to do with depth. It is 100% asset management. There is no way we gain leverage by waiting assuming nothing else changes. As I pointed out, Calgary would be best suited waiting us out if they were smart.

The 6th is not happening people, just get it out of your head. For a team that is young and a few years away from competing for a Cup, you don't move the 6th overall unless it's for a young, proven cornerstone piece.
- cap1681

How bout you get it in your head that it could happen

Nightmare in Tampa? They made it to the Conference Finals. Who knows...if Stamkos was healthy for the whole series they may have beaten the Pens.
- icedog97

Ask the Tampa player if they liked getting asked about Stamkos contract every day, ask Stamkos because he was getting pretty sick of the same stupid questions every day. I didn't say Tampa had a bad season on the ice but it was very obvious for their responses(players, Cooper, Yzerman) that they were sick of that question.
Ta

See yah Murray. Thanks for tagging along for a cup.

So they're going to clear out cap space and then not use it?!?
- hardnosed

Depends. They might take back salary in the deal. They arnt trading MAF for cap space they are trading him out of neccesity. And it wouldn't hurt to save some cap space in case they need it later in the season.

I think a team that maybe under the radar for Fleury are the Blues. They will be going all in this year for Hitchcock's last season, and could use a shakeup in the net. The Pens would probably have to take back Elliot, which would give the Pens a quality back-up at a good price.

See yah Murray. Thanks for tagging along for a cup.
- Grinder47

What is his current level of play? Cause we can see it was very good this year... And the stats show he was a top goalie in the league.
- nelson911

MAF only had his best season ever statistically last year.

How bout you get it in your head that it could happen
- nh4442

Maybe because he is smart

Geee this is terrible. Looks like the Pens might be stuck with an awesome goalie tandem this season. What will we do?!

Seriously though, once P.D.'s cap hit comes off and the new 2016-2017 cushion is factored in. They won't be in dire straights to move Fleury or else like everyone likes to think they'll be and contrary to this stories idea that the Pens don't holds the cards, the fact is they do.

If no one wants to deal for MAF at a price they'll accept, then he plays in Pittsburgh for another season, or until the trade deadline when they can probably get a better return anyway. I mean, how many playoff teams at that point don't have some kind goalie issue?

Until then, they can finagle some minor trades to free up a little cap room if the want to sign a current RFA or someone else. Kunitz had a nice playoff so he can always be be packaged to free a little $ space, or Fehr, but this idea the Fleury just has to go to the highest bidder is not reality.

Depends. They might take back salary in the deal. They arnt trading MAF for cap space they are trading him out of neccesity. And it wouldn't hurt to save some cap space in case they need it later in the season.
- Dcoms

If we can't get a good deal on Fleury then I'm a huge fan of trading Murray for the 6th overall pick. Hockey is all about asset management. If you can add a cost controlled stud then do it. Or pick you better haul for Murray than Fleury.

A lot of top goalies have been superb into their early to mid 30's.

We still have Jarry as a potential replacement if Fleury begins to slip in a couple years. Punt on another goalie in this years draft to restock the cupboard of prospects.

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- martox

Craig Adams did more to keep the puck out of the net in one series in 09 than Murray did this entire playoffs. God forbid someone doesnt shoot it right at Murray.

Craig Adams did more to keep the puck out of the net in one series in 09 than Murray did this entire playoffs. God forbid someone doesnt shoot it right at Murray.
- Grinder47

Craig Adams did more to keep the puck out of the net in one series in 09 than Murray did this entire playoffs. God forbid someone doesnt shoot it right at Murray.
- Grinder47

You need to change your avatar to this...

Friedman just posted if they use the full 5% escalator, the cap will be at 73M. That's up 1.6M

As I said earlier, I really wouldnt be surprised to see Fleury and Murray wearing a Pens jersey opening night and Im totally fine with that. Thats one hell of a goalie tandem for under a 6.5 mill cap hit for both.

I follow the Pens just as closely as anyone and Ive never ever seen anything from Fleury to suggest he wouldnt be content going 50/50, 40/60 or 60/40 this coming season. I dont see him demanding anything. He's an extremely positive dude and if he sticks around he certainly wont be a locker room cancer.

He's a former 1st overall pick. 2 time Stanley cup champ. 1 time gold medal winner, has more wins than any other goalie in the league the past 5 years and is loved by everyone.

Calgary fans or any other fans can downplay Fleury all they want but the guy is good. Really good.

Craig Adams did more to keep the puck out of the net in one series in 09 than Murray did this entire playoffs. God forbid someone doesnt shoot it right at Murray.
- Grinder47

Holy (frank) you're delusional

At the end of the day I think it gets done to calgary for 2 2nd round picks. Hopefully both this year.

I wish Calgary had arizon'as gm. He loves analytics. He would look at a hero chart on pouliot and agree to

Fleury + Pouliot = 6th pick.
- sditulli

Last year everyone was throwing Dumoulin in on every trade and now he's our second best dman. Trading Pouliot is a huge mistake and as a throw in is worse. I can see MAF going to Dallas because of their cap situation and my dark horse is now Buffalo for MAF and Stamkos. Lehner was a major disappointment and Byslma loves Marc and Marc loves old Danny. And Buffalo has more picks and prospects than anyone does. And they could afford to take MAF for just picks. Or we could add to it like MAF+Daley+ second for Bogosian

Yep. A year of Fleury is worth more than spare parts.
- hardnosed

i just worry about the inability to move him and losing murray.

granted, i understand that is being ruled by negative thinking. but i just dont know if its a risk im ready to take.

coupled with the salary relief and potential to recoup some assets. it has me bracing for a sad goodbye

As I said earlier, I really wouldnt be surprised to see Fleury and Murray wearing a Pens jersey opening night and Im totally fine with that. Thats one hell of a goalie tandem for under a 6.5 mill cap hit for both.

I follow the Pens just as closely as anyone and Ive never ever seen anything from Fleury to suggest he wouldnt be content going 50/50, 40/60 or 60/40 this coming season. I dont see him demanding anything. He's an extremely positive dude and if he sticks around he certainly wont be a locker room cancer.

He's a former 1st overall pick. 2 time Stanley cup champ. 1 time gold medal winner, has more wins than any other goalie in the league the past 5 years and is loved by everyone.

Calgary fans or any other fans can downplay Fleury all they want but the guy is good. Really good.
- MattStrat

The only thing i saw was during the Cup celebration. He looked like a guy who didn't want to be there. I love Fleury, and would have no problem with him being here in October, but man, did he look like he wanted nothing to do with that celebration.

The only thing i saw was during the Cup celebration. He looked like a guy who didn't want to be there. I love Fleury, and would have no problem with him being here in October, but man, did he look like he wanted nothing to do with that celebration.
- cap1681

I saw a few bewildered looking and speechless people that night. Crazy night of emotions.

Lehtonen is 5.9 mill a year.....Fleury and Murray are under 6.5 combined...think about that for a minute.

Craig Adams did more to keep the puck out of the net in one series in 09 than Murray did this entire playoffs. God forbid someone doesnt shoot it right at Murray.
- Grinder47

Oh you say the dumbest things I bet you eat raw meat right off the floor.

The only thing i saw was during the Cup celebration. He looked like a guy who didn't want to be there. I love Fleury, and would have no problem with him being here in October, but man, did he look like he wanted nothing to do with that celebration.
- cap1681

Yohe's also been reporting that Fleury wants to move on. If the expansion rules come out and we don't have to protect Fleury, then yeah having that Fleury/Murray tandem would be spectacular, but its looking like he just doesn't want to be here anymore.