And Murray would be a RFA by the time of draft. He's gonna be pretty cheap. Look at the bridge deals Price and Holtby got. He's young, showed a lot of promise, still has more development to do to reach his ultimate ceiling, and is cost controlled. 90% chance he's taken.
- Victoro311

so essentially they would only be drafting an RFA? so anyone at that time could give him an offer sheet? how does that work? (serious question)

I think Calgary would be silly to give up anything in the first two rounds...they are bidding against themselves it looks like
- YuenglingJagr

Yup, JR can go fck himself if he wants the #6. The way things are shaking out out I would offer your pick of Klimchuk (our 2013 1st we got from you in the Iggy trade) or Hickey (offensive D at BCollege that played on Canada at the WJC) & our 3rd #66(ironically Marios old # ) & call it a day.Someone better go smack JR in the side of the head or he'll be deciding whether he wants Niemi or Lehtenan back in the deal.

but does he love you?
- YuenglingJagr

Sadly no!!

It'd be two years of Niemi. I wouldn't buy him out if we got him unless it was an absolute necessity at the risk of losing Dumoulin, who I still think won't get paid as much as most people think he will.
- Victoro311

I would consider buying him out depending on where the next kid up is development wise. Niemi is still not as bad as Kari Let-em-in and by taking Niemi off of Dallas' hands Pittsburgh would get more value back I terms of picks and prospects, after Niemi we should stay away from all their roster players not named Klingberg, Benn, and Seguin which we would never get anyways. I see the Dumoulin bridge at about 3.3 for 2'years unless he improves as much next season as he did this season then it might be more (hopefully enough to buy some good taste in music.)

only that he suspects that calgary has talked to tampa about bishop and that was 9h ago
- martox

I suspect they talked to Tampa much earlier than 9h ago

Yup, JR can go fck himself if he wants the #6. The way things are shaking out out I would offer your pick of Klimchuk (our 2013 1st we got from you in the Iggy trade) or Hickey (offensive D at BCollege that played on Canada at the WJC) & our 3rd #66(ironically Marios old # ) & call it a day.Someone better go smack JR in the side of the head or he'll be deciding whether he wants Niemi or Lehtenan back in the deal.
- Kevin R

Yea but what comes along with niemi might be better then those prospects

Very risky but we could wait for a goalie to go down in the regular season and trade then.

I agree just getting rid of him is the best we can do for now. There's little to no value for a goalie with the waiver draft coming. Everyone knows you have no options (especially with Bishop out there)... unless Dallas dumps a goalie/salary on some sucker (like Coyotes).

The draft would be after next season? why couldn't you wait?? Does everyone assume that Murray would go over a guy like Mason? A lot can happen in a year
- vanhileman

Of course Murray would go over Mason, what a dumb comment. Age and contract alone would make that a no brainer.

I'd be a little more concerned with what Dmen we lock up. If you can only protect three I'm assuming Letang, Maata, and my pick would be Dumo but i'm not sure. Do you want to lose Pouliot for nothing or if you keep Daley or Schultz somehow or get a good deal on lovejoy?

I suspect they talked to Tampa much earlier than 9h ago
- Redmile247

oh definitely.

They have to take 3 goalies. If we keep Fleury and get stuck with him, I'd be thoroughly shocked if there were three goalies available more attractive than Murr.
- Victoro311

I just want expansion rules to come out...because theoretically, MAF could be traded next offseason

If you don't move MAF to Calgary, where else can he go?

Maybe to Arizona for Smith (who could be on the IR)?

Any other team that would consider trading for him?

I guess maybe Dallas but that's still a long shot.

Of course Murray would go over Mason, what a dumb comment. Age and contract alone would make that a no brainer.
- Dcoms

Mason is a true number one starter, you as well as everyone else have not seen enough of Murray to know if he can be. He won't always have a desperate to win team laying in front of 50% of the shots. Mason is top listed goalie on an expansion draft for a reason, a true #1 for 4 mil. If murray does turn out to be the real deal you think he won't take more money than that?

I would consider buying him out depending on where the next kid up is development wise. Niemi is still not as bad as Kari Let-em-in and by taking Niemi off of Dallas' hands Pittsburgh would get more value back I terms of picks and prospects, after Niemi we should stay away from all their roster players not named Klingberg, Benn, and Seguin which we would never get anyways. I see the Dumoulin bridge at about 3.3 for 2'years unless he improves as much next season as he did this season then it might be more (hopefully enough to buy some good taste in music.)
- Dcoms

I think Niemi is a fringe starter. He'd be excellent as a backup while Murray continues to develop. Still next year is a big extension year for us so taking on Niemi would be risky, but doable. If all else fails, as you said buy out is an option

I know we want different things from a potential Dallas trade but I've been kicking around the idea of a Dallas trade too. The big inhibitor is Lehtonen. I don't think Dallas can take on Fleury's contract with Lehtonen sill on the team and his deal is too big to buy out. They'd have to move him for a Fleury Dallas trade to be realistic, IMO.

Not sure I have seen this question come up......
Murray is entering the final year of his ELC, so the Pens can extend him this offseason. If JR extends him now and gives him a full NMC/NTC, how would the expansion rules deal with having 2 goalies with clauses? I guess the only hiccup could be when Murray's NMC kicks in relative to when the expansion draft occurs next year.

If you don't move MAF to Calgary, where else can he go?

Maybe to Arizona for Smith (who could be on the IR)?

Any other team that would consider trading for him?

I guess maybe Dallas but that's still a long shot.
- riceroni

There's always a chance something comes out of left field. This is the NHL where last names artificially inflate value. St Louis traded good assets for Miller when they already had Halak, for Christ sakes!

Not sure I have seen this question come up......
Murray is entering the final year of his ELC, so the Pens can extend him this offseason. If JR extends him now and gives him a full NMC/NTC, how would the expansion rules deal with having 2 goalies with clauses? I guess the only hiccup could be when Murray's NMC kicks in relative to when the expansion draft occurs next year.
- Rawdog9755

Clauses can only be given after RFA years have expired. Won't work

There is no way to know if MAF is more talented than Andersen & it is meaningless regardless. Andersen is just starting his career, he is 5 years younger than Fleury. MAF has lots of life left & a decent contract but Pittsburgh has 2 problems.The goalie market is drying up fast & they are already over the anticipated cap ceiling of 72.8 million. That gives them virtually no leverage in negotiations.

Calgary isn't giving them the 6th overall pick. That's a non starter. Calgary also has other options. They could sign Reimer, I look hard at giving Enroth a shot, 1 or 2 years at peanuts; say around 1.5 to 2 mil per, to see if he's capable, if not I readdress as the season progresses. Numerous teams have stop gaps available & with so few teams & the development pipeline growing exponentially in the US there are more than enough goalies to go around.

There are numerous options available to calgary or other teams, Bishop, Niemi, Lehtonen, Howard, Halak, Elliot, Pavelic etc that all can potentially be had & could stop gap until Gillies is ready in Calgary.
- striker777

Half of those guys are terrible or severely declining and have worse contracts. Bishop is the only name there that gives the Flames the goaltending they need to take the next step. Lehtonen Howard and Pavelec are all horrible liabilities and zero improvement over the 3 guys the Flames had last year. Elliot is a career backup that has played well in short stint as a starter but couldn't play starters minutes an entire season. Halak is always on the LTIR. There is no guarantee that Gillies will ever be ready he's like Malcom Subban, we hear how great he's going to be and just keep waiting and waiting.

Clauses can only be given after RFA years have expired. Won't work
- Victoro311

I personally hope we keep fleury. I understand the business side of it but I love him
- dbell646

There's no chance MAF plays another game for the Penguins, not if we want to maximize his trade value. The sooner we all accept it the sooner we move on.

I just want expansion rules to come out...because theoretically, MAF could be traded next offseason
- YuenglingJagr

He sure could. Problem is, he's in control of if he gets traded or not. That could make some gms queasy.

Yup, JR can go fck himself if he wants the #6. The way things are shaking out out I would offer your pick of Klimchuk (our 2013 1st we got from you in the Iggy trade) or Hickey (offensive D at BCollege that played on Canada at the WJC) & our 3rd #66(ironically Marios old # ) & call it a day.Someone better go smack JR in the side of the head or he'll be deciding whether he wants Niemi or Lehtenan back in the deal.
- Kevin R

You sound worried... I think you'll be jumping for joy if you get fleury for the right price.

Clauses can only be given after RFA years have expired. Won't work
- Victoro311

Aren't there built in clauses for RFA's? Thinking of the Weber offer sheet by Philly that Nashville matched and was tied to that contract for 1 year before they could entertain trading Weber.

Maybe the Sens would trade for MAF if Pitt ate $1.5M per season and took Anderson back.

To PITT:
- Anderson (You don't have to protect him since he doesn't have a NMC or NTC)
- Borowicki (contract dump)
- 2nd rd pick (42nd overall)

To OTT:
-Flower ($1.5M per year retained)

They have to take 3 goalies. If we keep Fleury and get stuck with him, I'd be thoroughly shocked if there were three goalies available more attractive than Murr.
- Victoro311

There is a 0% chance we expose Murray to expansion draft its not even worth worrying about. And its the kind of thinking that will end up forcing us to take an awful return on fleury.

Rumors Ottawa has inquired on fleury. You know what is a last minute save on Murray. We flip fleury for Anderson. And expose Anderson. And if we need to we will trade Murray for a haul. I'm not even sure if Murray or Fleury is the better goalie for our prime cup window. There is 0% chance we absolutely get (frank)ed and lose Murray to expansion.