Lovejoy told his agent to get a deal done with Pittsburgh. Talk is 3 years sub 2 on a below market deal. I have no idea if 3 years for 1.8 per is in our interest.

I like pouliot more than most but if we bring back Schultz he's very expendable.

Then Ruth has talked about making a play on boedker/Ladd if the market is reasonable.

Hate seeing Bennet take up cap space or a roster spot would rather just move on though I realize we can waive him and his cap basically disappears.

Maybe the move is to resign Schultz and love joy and target a change of scenery winger with pouliot

that is true. but thats the nature of any picks. but they still have value because they are the lifeblood of teams.

however, i agree with your overall mindset here. im a big believer in different assets can have sliding scales of value depending on the team. like for instance, kunitz. he has more value to the pens then he does on an open market or to really any other team. the 6th carries a nice tag of value, but for where the pens are, not as much as to a team like calgary.

yes, it would be very nice to get a player who can potentially be a key contributor on a team 2 or 3 years from now. but the pens are largely a win now team. i understand they need to have an eye on the future. and they shouldnt automatically look over an opportunity to improve the cache of assets.

but how they are constructed right now, that cap space and murrays ELC is huge in my mind.. worth more to me than the 6th overall, regardless of the picks standalone value.
- stayinthefnnet

Fleury is cap space today. But I still want to maximize that return later. The picks could turn into key pieces that keeps the team competitive in the cores twilight

Arizona got Gogo signed. I don't really understand signing before the window to talking to other teams opens. Gogo seemed likely to get similar money elsewhere.

Coyotes should be a semi-competitive team this year.

And when it comes to age Shane doan is in the Cullen camp. I do wander if Kunitz is falling off a cliff. Hi simple stats still looks reasonable for his salary but doesn't seem right watching him play.

Erik Karlsson tell you they would be interested?

- Oneonta Penguin

nah just common knowledge and some of their fans coming here saying they would like fleury. neveer even meet karlsson

Lovejoy told his agent to get a deal done with Pittsburgh. Talk is 3 years sub 2 on a below market deal. I have no idea if 3 years for 1.8 per is in our interest.

I like pouliot more than most but if we bring back Schultz he's very expendable.

Then Ruth has talked about making a play on boedker/Ladd if the market is reasonable.

Hate seeing Bennet take up cap space or a roster spot would rather just move on though I realize we can waive him and his cap basically disappears.

Maybe the move is to resign Schultz and love joy and target a change of scenery winger with pouliot
- sditulli

Source?

Lovejoy for 3 years? Even at that cheap price. That's longer than I would want to go. He'll be 35 at the end of that contract. But looking at other RH UFA defenseman on the market, its not a bad compromise. Still think he and Schultz and Cole are 3rd pairing guys.

Rather have Boedker than Ladd. A lot of people hate Boedker assuming he is going to cost too much. Take the contract away, he should be a good fit here.

Talked a few pages back about Pouliot's change of scenery wingers -- Mantha, Nuke, Rychel as options.

Lovejoy told his agent to get a deal done with Pittsburgh. Talk is 3 years sub 2 on a below market deal. I have no idea if 3 years for 1.8 per is in our interest.

I like pouliot more than most but if we bring back Schultz he's very expendable.

Then Ruth has talked about making a play on boedker/Ladd if the market is reasonable.

Hate seeing Bennet take up cap space or a roster spot would rather just move on though I realize we can waive him and his cap basically disappears.

Maybe the move is to resign Schultz and love joy and target a change of scenery winger with pouliot
- sditulli

Please no to Lovejoy! He isn't needed anymore. Thank him for his time and move on!

Champs! I'm headed to southern jersey on Saturday where all the flyers fans dwell. Taking all my cup gear hopefully I survive
- dbell646

Haha. I took my 2 year old to Sesame Place last week in Langhorne, and wore my Pens gear. Thought I would stir poop up a bit. The Philly fans were actually cool. Not one single person was a Richard Cranium. I was a bit shocked.

Haha. I took my 2 year old to Sesame Place last week in Langhorne, and wore my Pens gear. Thought I would stir poop up a bit. The Philly fans were actually cool. Not one single person was a Richard Cranium. I was a bit shocked.
- PittsPens

They're Being more level headed while their team is getting ready to contend. Once they're back then they'll start taunting us again.

They're Being more level headed while their team is getting ready to contend. Once they're back then they'll start taunting us again.
- dbell646

Plus they don't serve alcohol at Sesame Place

Source?

Lovejoy for 3 years? Even at that cheap price. That's longer than I would want to go. He'll be 35 at the end of that contract. But looking at other RH UFA defenseman on the market, its not a bad compromise. Still think he and Schultz and Cole are 3rd pairing guys.

Rather have Boedker than Ladd. A lot of people hate Boedker assuming he is going to cost too much. Take the contract away, he should be a good fit here.

Talked a few pages back about Pouliot's change of scenery wingers -- Mantha, Nuke, Rychel as options.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Hell no to Lovejoy for that price and term. Thank you for your service and good luck in your future endavors....

Please no to Lovejoy! He isn't needed anymore. Thank him for his time and move on!
- nh4442

Lovejoy at less than 2M per is not a bad deal at all.

He still has enough game to be a 3rd pair guy.

People should remember how many defensemen it took for us to win the cup this year.

Source?

Lovejoy for 3 years? Even at that cheap price. That's longer than I would want to go. He'll be 35 at the end of that contract. But looking at other RH UFA defenseman on the market, its not a bad compromise. Still think he and Schultz and Cole are 3rd pairing guys.

Rather have Boedker than Ladd. A lot of people hate Boedker assuming he is going to cost too much. Take the contract away, he should be a good fit here.

Talked a few pages back about Pouliot's change of scenery wingers -- Mantha, Nuke, Rychel as options.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

TIOPS. They are pricing him at 3 year 2.5 on the open market. Based on Scuderi and Engelland contracts and the cup he just raised I would tend to agree. So 1.8 is a discount. I'd consider doing the Lovejoy but not a huge fan. By the end of the contract he would be a little younger than Scuderi. At 1.8 he should be movable for the duration.

I'd love Boedker too. Comes down to price and a few other things. Draft will be interesting to say the least.

Lovejoy at less than 2M per is not a bad deal at all.

He still has enough game to be a 3rd pair guy.

People should remember how many defensemen it took for us to win the cup this year.
- icedog97

If we somehow get him at under 2 mil, it'd be utterly stupid to not take it. It'd be nice to not need him at all, but there at still people here who are so dumb and think he was a bad player here. There is no one even close to his skill level at the 1.1 mil cost we had him at near his age.

If we somehow get him at under 2 mil, it'd be utterly stupid to not take it. It'd be nice to not need him at all, but there at still people here who are so dumb and think he was a bad player here. There is no one even close to his skill level at the 1.1 mil cost we had him at near his age.
- Guile

Problem is I like Schultz better. I don't know if we can have 3 5/6D signed at over 1.8.

Problem is I like Schultz better. I don't know if we can have 3 5/6D signed at over 1.8.
- sditulli

Lovejoy as least for now, can hold the fort in a mid pairing when an injury occurs... I do not know if I give the same faith in Pouliot, Cole, or Schultz.


Also, I'd put it at near a 25% chance at best we can keep Schultz. We want to, I think that is clear, but some team is going to throw around 3 mil at him, and we can't get near that. I want him at the same as the Ian Cole deal, which is near a million shy.

So to avoid continuing to go in circles, lets assume these assets are inconsequential, what is we entertained that big package deal for an established player.

Would you do that same deal for Bennett if we replaced DP with Sprong.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Can you stop the talk about us acquiring Sam Bennett. It's not happening. Calgary wouldn't be motivated to deal him for MAF, Sprong and whatever minor additions. Why should they?

The only chance they might consider it, is if we are sending 71 west to the Canadian Rockies, so stop the chatter about trying to find this secret potion to acquire him without giving up a MAJOR piece.

TIOPS. They are pricing him at 3 year 2.5 on the open market. Based on Scuderi and Engelland contracts and the cup he just raised I would tend to agree. So 1.8 is a discount. I'd consider doing the Lovejoy but not a huge fan. By the end of the contract he would be a little younger than Scuderi. At 1.8 he should be movable for the duration.

I'd love Boedker too. Comes down to price and a few other things. Draft will be interesting to say the least.
- sditulli

We can't afford Boedker unless we are shipping MAF somewhere and don't take back a poopty contract.

Arizona got Gogo signed. I don't really understand signing before the window to talking to other teams opens. Gogo seemed likely to get similar money elsewhere.

Coyotes should be a semi-competitive team this year.

And when it comes to age Shane doan is in the Cullen camp. I do wander if Kunitz is falling off a cliff. Hi simple stats still looks reasonable for his salary but doesn't seem right watching him play.
- sditulli

Good signing by Arizona. Dallas is a worse team now.

Can you stop the talk about us acquiring Sam Bennett. It's not happening. Calgary wouldn't be motivated to deal him for MAF, Sprong and whatever minor additions. Why should they?

The only chance they might consider it, is if we are sending 71 west to the Canadian Rockies, so stop the chatter about trying to find this secret potion to acquire him without giving up a MAJOR piece.
- Oneonta Penguin

So what I am hearing is... Malkin for the #6, Bennett, and Brodie?

Can you stop the talk about us acquiring Sam Bennett. It's not happening. Calgary wouldn't be motivated to deal him for MAF, Sprong and whatever minor additions. Why should they?

The only chance they might consider it, is if we are sending 71 west to the Canadian Rockies, so stop the chatter about trying to find this secret potion to acquire him without giving up a MAJOR piece.
- Oneonta Penguin

So what I am hearing is... Malkin for the #6, Bennett, and Brodie?
- Guile

Problem is I like Schultz better. I don't know if we can have 3 5/6D signed at over 1.8.
- sditulli

We kind of have to for depth purposes.

- Redmile247

Exactly. See, there are sane people on this board that understand player values and why other teams have no inclination moving a young gun like Bennett for spare parts.

Can you stop the talk about us acquiring Sam Bennett. It's not happening. Calgary wouldn't be motivated to deal him for MAF, Sprong and whatever minor additions. Why should they?

The only chance they might consider it, is if we are sending 71 west to the Canadian Rockies, so stop the chatter about trying to find this secret potion to acquire him without giving up a MAJOR piece.
- Oneonta Penguin

It was just a hypothetical about the value of established player like Bennett vs. the 6th overall. We went back and forth on the value of the 6th overall for like 3 pages.

I have no intention of acquiring, or even trying to acquire Bennett in real life.

Regarding Lovejoy at 1.8 X 3...

Lovejoy was solid for us and I don't see him falling off a cliff in 3 years since his game is based on sound positioning rather than athleticism or physicality. That being said, He was so solid partly because he was so damn cost effective at 1.2 mil. He played above his pay grade. You give him anything over 1.5 mil and how he played this past year is right around pay grade and he becomes a neutral at best instead of a positive.

That being said, our defensive depth is bad. Say we resign Schultz, that still only leaves us with 7 NHL defensemen, which sounds normal at first, but then when you realize we don't have any reliable call ups in WBS you start to worry. Bengtsson is a complete unknown, Prow looks like he's a year away from being able to handle call up duty, and after that we have hot garbage. There are a couple of ways to solve this issue:

1) Trade for one or two near NHL ready prospects that are waver exempt. Even if they're not blue chippers this can be costly.

2) Find one or two of Kevin Porter's defensive counterparts to sign for WBS. Since NHL defensemen are a commodity that is constantly in high demand, finding a vet that's good enough to be a useful call up but won't get plucked off the waiver wire by another team needing defensive depth is rare. See Warsofsky, David.

3) Take advantage of team friendly contracts that allow you to fit more than 7 defensemen under the cap.

#3 is where Lovejoy taking a home town discount comes into play. Having a defenseman who is valued at north of 2 mil making south of 2 mil is how you get option #3 to work. Signing, Lovejoy and Schultz at team friendly contracts and having DP on ELC would let us have 8 NHL defensemen, which takes the pressure off of our subpar call up pool, as having more than 3 starting defensemen injured at the same time is unlikely (knock on wood).

Since we don't have anyone but Bengtsson and Prow in the pipeline and anyone we may draft this year and in the future will take a while to develop, I'd honestly ask Lovejoy if he'd consider taking a fourth year for a discounted AAV that gets him down to 1.5 mil. Because defensive depth isn't going to be an issue just this year.