Pouliot is not spare parts and I and team management would never include him as a throw in in any trade because that will come back to bite us like a pittviper. Last year a lot of these same posters were throwing Dumoulin in every trade and wanted to sign Alex Semin and a bunch of dumb $hit like that.
- Dcoms

Until he proves he can be a competent player in this league for an extended period of time, well say more than 10 games, then he isn't spare parts. You vastly overrate DP. Kid had a golden opportunity to make the team out of camp and blew it. His work ethic sucks supposedly. That is a major red flag. Right now, he is a kid that is talented, but is spare parts.

Hate to tell you this, his value is that of Kirby Rychel's or Anthony Mantha, two players that Columbus and Detroit might be getting disenchanted with and might be in need of a change. DP has shown very little if you ask me that is is all you have been pumping him up at.

I think Dumo was way ahead of DP a year ago to what DP is now. DP is a disappointment to me

i was gonna say, i didnt think he was.

i didnt want to trade for him per se, but if he was UFA i'd be all (frank)ing over that.
- stayinthefnnet

He's a prototypical Penguin type player and plays all three forward positions. A bit overpaid at 3 mil, but I get the sense he's a Hagelin type that even though he doesn't produce points to his pay grade he's worth the money. Unfortunately we already have two players like that (Hagelin & Hornqvist) and can't really afford any more. With the Ducks on an internal budget and needing to think about resigning Lindholm and a top line LW, I bet he'd be cheap as a source of cap relief.

Screw Boedker and the 6 mill he's going to get on the open market. We could sign Cogliano who is just as fast and has better hands for 1-2 mill. The Ducks already told him he was not coming back. He should be our only FA target as he's not going to cost much but fits our team identity. Plus we don't need any forwards.
- Dcoms

Cogliano? He is signed for 2 more years @ $3M??


You thinking of someone else?

Until he proves he can be a competent player in this league for an extended period of time, well say more than 10 games, then he isn't spare parts. You vastly overrate DP. Kid had a golden opportunity to make the team out of camp and blew it. His work ethic sucks supposedly. That is a major red flag. Right now, he is a kid that is talented, but is spare parts.

Hate to tell you this, his value is that of Kirby Rychel's or Anthony Mantha, two players that Columbus and Detroit might be getting disenchanted with and might be in need of a change. DP has shown very little if you ask me that is is all you have been pumping him up at.

I think Dumo was way ahead of DP a year ago to what DP is now. DP is a disappointment to me
- Oneonta Penguin

I'd be happy to provide either of these two with a change of scenery. Especially Mantha.

they really don't. for a player like hall, i would consider tinkering with it, but it may be more trouble than its worth.

i also dont think maatta gets it done either.
- stayinthefnnet

We don't have depth on the blueline to do it. Hall is making 6 million too boot, so we need to move more. He might be good, but I personally don't want anything to do with players from Edmonton, absent McJesus, who have grown accustomed to losing. Hall is one of them. Let him go to the Islanders for Hamonic.

He's a prototypical Penguin type player and plays all three forward positions. A bit overpaid at 3 mil, but I get the sense he's a Hagelin type that even though he doesn't produce points to his pay grade he's worth the money. Unfortunately we already have two players like that (Hagelin & Hornqvist) and can't really afford any more. With the Ducks on an internal budget and needing to think about resigning Lindholm and a top line LW, I bet he'd be cheap as a source of cap relief.
- Victoro311

hmm okay. lets say the cost of acquisition is a second rounder. you bring him on board for the 3 mil. do you think he can be the duper role and bump sheary down off the top line? bringing in 3 mil will need to see salary going out too. under the assumption fleury goes, that pretty much eats that space to a large degree.

He's a prototypical Penguin type player and plays all three forward positions. A bit overpaid at 3 mil, but I get the sense he's a Hagelin type that even though he doesn't produce points to his pay grade he's worth the money. Unfortunately we already have two players like that (Hagelin & Hornqvist) and can't really afford any more. With the Ducks on an internal budget and needing to think about resigning Lindholm and a top line LW, I bet he'd be cheap as a source of cap relief.
- Victoro311

Let's just get Cogs and Grabner and have the fastest 4 X 100 ... Rust ... Hagelin ... Cogs and Grabner. No one would have a chance. I'm kidding of course.

Things change in a hurry. If rumors suggesting that DP is a lazy ass and doesn't work hard, then he is expendable to me because he won't amount to much. People are grossly overrating him. BFD if he is a former eighth overall pick. Patrick Stefan was once a top pick and was a big time bust. Fact is, if DP isn't moved, this will be his make or break season in Pittsburgh IMO. If I'm him, I sign up to work with Gary Roberts and find a work ethic.
- Oneonta Penguin

I keep seeing the same thing over and over..."it doesn't matter if he was picked 8th overall, hes not that good" but then go on to cream your pants at how valuable the 6th overall pick is.

We don't have depth on the blueline to do it. Hall is making 6 million too boot, so we need to move more. He might be good, but I personally don't want anything to do with players from Edmonton, absent McJesus, who have grown accustomed to losing. Hall is one of them. Let him go to the Islanders for Hamonic.
- Oneonta Penguin

i do agree with the potential headaches. ultimately like i said, i dont think maatta gets it done. if they wanted a one for one swap, i think the talent discrepancy is enough where i would be tempted and deal with what tinkering needs to be made. but i dont think its just maatta. there will need to be more, which will gut other things, ultimately making it not worth it.

the oiler thing i can deal with. people said the same about kessel. i just think it would be too much of a luxury, despite how awesome he could be with 87 or 71, to where it would be worth it. it would be maatta plus, and then considering the holes that would be created moving other guys. just too many moving parts with not enough money to fill them.

I keep seeing the same thing over and over..."it doesn't matter if he was picked 8th overall, hes not that good" but then go on to cream your pants at how valuable the 6th overall pick is.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Say you have 4:1 odds to win a million bucks off a specific lottery ticket. How much is that ticket worth? Tens of thousands of dollars? A 100K even? Say you buy that ticket, scratch it off, and it busts. You lose a couple thousand, a few tens of thousand, or God forbid all your money. You think you can sell that ticket back for face value let alone a profit?

I keep seeing the same thing over and over..."it doesn't matter if he was picked 8th overall, hes not that good" but then go on to cream your pants at how valuable the 6th overall pick is.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

He was picked way ahead of where he should have been. He should have gone late first round, not when he did. I value top six picks ... I don't value guys that are supposed to go late first round; go 8th and don't amount to much. DP has shown nothing at this stage that makes anyone think he belongs in the NHL, absent DComs who thinks he will be a top 10 Dman in two years in this league.

I personally don't want the sixth pick. We yield nothing for two or three years, but probably have to trade our starting goalie in a package along with other good (not spare parts) assets. It doesn't bring us cap relief, because Fleury in a package doesn't come close to netting the top six pick.

I keep seeing the same thing over and over..."it doesn't matter if he was picked 8th overall, hes not that good" but then go on to cream your pants at how valuable the 6th overall pick is.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

honestly, i really dont even want the 6 overall. dont get me wrong, it does have value, and sure it would be great if they just giftwrapped it via something stupid like for fleury one for one or whatever. but they wont.

for the pens to get the 6th, they'd probably need to do something around murray plus for it. regardless of how people may or may not perceive the value, thats just not something i want to do given how this team is constructed.

love that they got some miles out of depth guys, but this team is still pretty top heavy. getting starting goal tending for under a mil this year and then via RFA status is going to be extremely valuable.

i know ive said it repeatedly, but if you can move fleury in a best case scenario for a pair of their seconds, or a second and a prospect like kylington, you happily take that.

murray is protected, locked in as at bare minimum an average to fairly decent guy at a cheap rate. you have that cap space from fleury to use this offseason, as well as not committing a lot to the position in future years. and you get a few pieces to inject back in the pipeline.

the 6OA, while a valuable asset, still has a potential at busting. and even if it isnt, its still an egg youre probably waiting for at least 2 or 3 years to hatch. that cap space by handling the position this way can provide benefits immediately and into the future.

I'd be happy to provide either of these two with a change of scenery. Especially Mantha.
- Victoro311

Nah on Rychel -- Yes on Mantha or Nuke

honestly, i really dont even want the 6 overall. dont get me wrong, it does have value, and sure it would be great if they just giftwrapped it via something stupid like for fleury one for one or whatever. but they wont.

for the pens to get the 6th, they'd probably need to do something around murray plus for it. regardless of how people may or may not perceive the value, thats just not something i want to do given how this team is constructed.

love that they got some miles out of depth guys, but this team is still pretty top heavy. getting starting goal tending for under a mil this year and then via RFA status is going to be extremely valuable.

i know ive said it repeatedly, but if you can move fleury in a best case scenario for a pair of their seconds, or a second and a prospect like kylington, you happily take that.

murray is protected, locked in as at bare minimum an average to fairly decent guy at a cheap rate. you have that cap space from fleury to use this offseason, as well as not committing a lot to the position in future years. and you get a few pieces to inject back in the pipeline.

the 6OA, while a valuable asset, still has a potential at busting. and even if it isnt, its still an egg youre probably waiting for at least 2 or 3 years to hatch. that cap space by handling the position this way can provide benefits immediately and into the future.
- stayinthefnnet

We are on the same page here. Exactly right.

Say you have 4:1 odds to win a million bucks off a specific lottery ticket. How much is that ticket worth? Tens of thousands of dollars? A 100K even? Say you buy that ticket, scratch it off, and it busts. You lose a couple thousand, a few tens of thousand, or God forbid all your money. You think you can sell that ticket back for face value let alone a profit?
- Victoro311

4:1 odds? If it's a repeatable game then anything less than 200k is a steal.

Only one ticket about 110k. (Generates 890k on taxable income at about. 43% tax rates....something like 530k income after tax. So positive sum game with a reward for taking risks.

Good post ... your ND education I guess did benefit you in some regards - logic. Agree with this.
- Oneonta Penguin

He was picked way ahead of where he should have been. He should have gone late first round, not when he did. I value top six picks ... I don't value guys that are supposed to go late first round; go 8th and don't amount to much. DP has shown nothing at this stage that makes anyone think he belongs in the NHL, absent DComs who thinks he will be a top 10 Dman in two years in this league.

I personally don't want the sixth pick. We yield nothing for two or three years, but probably have to trade our starting goalie in a package along with other good (not spare parts) assets. It doesn't bring us cap relief, because Fleury in a package doesn't come close to netting the top six pick.
- Oneonta Penguin

Fair enough - at least we would hypothetically have different folks making the selection this time around.

Second paragraph is exaclty what I have been saying. Its not worth paying all those assets for someone who is not going to help us NOW. (Plus has a chance to bust, even if chances are slim). We're not rebuilding.

4:1 odds? If it's a repeatable game then anything less than 200k is a steal.

Only one ticket about 110k. (Generates 890k on taxable income at about. 43% tax rates....something like 530k income after tax. So positive sum game with a reward for taking risks.
- sditulli

Hahaha thanks. I don't do math. Had to take finite twice in college. Most of it was due to laziness and being a dumb freshman who was too cool to go to 8 am classes, but most people can do that class without ever going

Say you have 4:1 odds to win a million bucks off a specific lottery ticket. How much is that ticket worth? Tens of thousands of dollars? A 100K even? Say you buy that ticket, scratch it off, and it busts. You lose a couple thousand, a few tens of thousand, or God forbid all your money. You think you can sell that ticket back for face value let alone a profit?
- Victoro311

Also pouliot hasn't busted. He's basically like every young dman drafted after the first ten picks. I don't think he would have went late first but somewhere in the teens made more sense

honestly, i really dont even want the 6 overall. dont get me wrong, it does have value, and sure it would be great if they just giftwrapped it via something stupid like for fleury one for one or whatever. but they wont.

for the pens to get the 6th, they'd probably need to do something around murray plus for it. regardless of how people may or may not perceive the value, thats just not something i want to do given how this team is constructed.

love that they got some miles out of depth guys, but this team is still pretty top heavy. getting starting goal tending for under a mil this year and then via RFA status is going to be extremely valuable.

i know ive said it repeatedly, but if you can move fleury in a best case scenario for a pair of their seconds, or a second and a prospect like kylington, you happily take that.

murray is protected, locked in as at bare minimum an average to fairly decent guy at a cheap rate. you have that cap space from fleury to use this offseason, as well as not committing a lot to the position in future years. and you get a few pieces to inject back in the pipeline.

the 6OA, while a valuable asset, still has a potential at busting. and even if it isnt, its still an egg youre probably waiting for at least 2 or 3 years to hatch. that cap space by handling the position this way can provide benefits immediately and into the future.
- stayinthefnnet

I want the 6th pick. If it's Murray for 6th plus I take a long thought. But I probably prefer fleury for roughly two mid 2nd's in value

honestly, i really dont even want the 6 overall. dont get me wrong, it does have value, and sure it would be great if they just giftwrapped it via something stupid like for fleury one for one or whatever. but they wont.

for the pens to get the 6th, they'd probably need to do something around murray plus for it. regardless of how people may or may not perceive the value, thats just not something i want to do given how this team is constructed.

love that they got some miles out of depth guys, but this team is still pretty top heavy. getting starting goal tending for under a mil this year and then via RFA status is going to be extremely valuable.

i know ive said it repeatedly, but if you can move fleury in a best case scenario for a pair of their seconds, or a second and a prospect like kylington, you happily take that.

murray is protected, locked in as at bare minimum an average to fairly decent guy at a cheap rate. you have that cap space from fleury to use this offseason, as well as not committing a lot to the position in future years. and you get a few pieces to inject back in the pipeline.

the 6OA, while a valuable asset, still has a potential at busting. and even if it isnt, its still an egg youre probably waiting for at least 2 or 3 years to hatch. that cap space by handling the position this way can provide benefits immediately and into the future.
- stayinthefnnet

Exactly what I said a page or two back. Agree.

I'd even take it a step further that IF we traded Fleury + asset + 2 seconds or whatever huge package....I want an established young player to plug right in rather than the 6th ov.

Hahaha thanks. I don't do math. Had to take finite twice in college. Most of it was due to laziness and being a dumb freshman who was too cool to go to 8 am classes, but most people can do that class without ever going
- Victoro311

i hate math. finite was the only math class i took in the entirety of college as well haha. thankfully mine was in the afternoon.

i was repeatedly told to leave because for some reason there was a big ass power stapler in the room and i used to staple anything and everything.

Exactly what I said a page or two back. Agree.

I'd even take it a step further that IF we traded Fleury + asset + 2 seconds or whatever huge package....I want an established young player to plug right in rather than the 6th ov.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

yeah, i dont know many that would fit the bill that teams would both be willing to give up AND be able to eat the difference in salary. i know Vic has been all about Nuke from dallas. i still think dallas is so cluster(frank)ed with their goalies where they wouldnt take on fleury unless they can purge one of their sorry sack tenders.

Also pouliot hasn't busted. He's basically like every young dman drafted after the first ten picks. I don't think he would have went late first but somewhere in the teens made more sense
- sditulli

My analogies are being taken way too much at face value today. Point that I was trying to make is that high picks have high intrinsic value before they are used to draft a prospect. Saying that they don't have that much value because XXX prospect and XXX prospect were picked with that number in the past draft and haven't amounted to much is a flawed argument. When buying a pick you're paying for the high probability.

Shocking.

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- YouMeAndDupuis9

You mean the GM actually speaking the the obvious truth? Wow. We are all sure its not some psychological ploy?