Yeah, those teams will overpay to get to the cap floor, I could see the Panthers trading a pick for Kuni, and I would be ok with it to be honest. I know its Sids security blanket, but at some point he has to let him go. Send MAF to the Flames and clear about 9 mil in cap space. Resign Schultz and Lovejoy, browse the forward market for some cheap depth and call it an off season.
- Thorny

Kuni to anyone for a 3rd and I'm happy, flower to cal for something good (not getting back into it), sign Schultz, Boedker or Okposo, and Enroth and pens are set. Maybe get a guy like Helm too for insurance reasons

Look at what most goalies go for. Low firsts +. Look at what Andersen just went for, who's value was probably higher than Fleury's due to age. A low first (last actually) and a second. It has nothing to do with who's projected at #6. The inherent value of the #6 overall pick is much higher than Fleury's. The #6 overall pick's value is also substantially higher than Fleury, a prospect that keeps blowing chances, and two lotto tickets with much worse odds than the #6.

Probably the two most comparable trades in recent memory to a hypothetical Fleury trade were the trades of veteran goalies Ryan Miller and Roberto Luongo.

Luongo got a once highly touted goalie prospect on bust alert in Markstrom and Shawn Matthias who at the time was perceived to be an ok depth roster player. In other words, the Canucks got cap space for Bobby Lu.

Miller was packaged with overvalued Steve Ott for an expiring goalie cap dump in Halak, a Chris Stewart cap dump, a B prospect, a low first and a third.

There is a lot of president here that says Fleury isn't worth a high draft choice. The 6th overall in any draft, even if it was the weakest in NHL history, is outlandish for Fleury alone and extremely good compensation for the afore mentioned package.
- Victoro311

Cory Schneider is a better comparable than Miller. Miller was a soon to be UFA.

Cory Schneider is a better comparable than Miller. Miller was a soon to be UFA.
- willi

He's really not. Schneider was a 26 year old who had just posted ~.930 sv% for three years splitting starts with Bobby Lu. Not to mention he was ~2 mil cheaper than Flower is now when he was acquired. Schneider then was leagues more valuable than Fleury is now. Its not even close.

I get what you're saying, but in a trade to Calgary he doesn't bring value unless Pittsburgh takes back one or more of our dmen not named Gio, TJ, or Dougie.

On Chychrun, i haven't seen enough to base my own opinion, but he's sure fallen in the ranks. Not sure what the issue is, but it does reek of potentially being the steal of the draft. He was ranked as high as 3 was he not?
- dr_soiledpants

He plays just down the road in Sarnia and he is the total package as far a dmen go. He's big strong and nasty and has an offensive accumen to boot.

I get what you're saying, but in a trade to Calgary he doesn't bring value unless Pittsburgh takes back one or more of our dmen not named Gio, TJ, or Dougie.

On Chychrun, i haven't seen enough to base my own opinion, but he's sure fallen in the ranks. Not sure what the issue is, but it does reek of potentially being the steal of the draft. He was ranked as high as 3 was he not?
- dr_soiledpants

Pouliot might be misvalued by Pittsburgh. If your GM talks Rutherford into giving him away as a throw-in you take it and run to the bank. He's only 800k a year. Formre 8th overall pick (who should have went more like 15). Analytics are good on him. I'm not saying trade the 6th overall pick for Fleury and Pouliot, but a smart GM would be trying to get him as a throw in on a deal.

I might be ok with taking Wideman's contract. If Malkin is IR till February we have a ton of cap room. I don't want Wideman on the Pens, but if it boost the return I would take him in a trade. We can retain 2-3 million on him and send him elsewhere for a pick.

Why couldnt Pens ask for Calgary # 1 in 2017 draft? They were never going to give up the #6 pick in this draft. I'd have asked for the #1 in 2017 or multiple #2 picks this season....

A really good lottery ticket. Guys that went 5th-11th that year: Morgan Reilly, Hampus Lindholm, Matt Dumba, DP, Trouba, Slater Koekoek, and Fillip Forsberg

The year before: Ryan Strome, Mike Zibanejad, Schiefele, Couturier, Dougie Hamilton, Jonas Brodin.

Those are some really good names. Some made an impact in the NHL almost immediately. Stop trying to devalue a top 10 pick in order to try to make out Fleury's value to be higher than it is.
- Victoro311

In no way am I trying to devalue a top 10 pick to make out Fleury's value higher than it is. I'm trying to devalue a top 10 pick before we sell all our assets for one.

Secondly, look at last years draft. I don't think a single one of picks 6-30 played in the NHL last year. We need contributors NOW. It's fine to put trade Fleury for some future assets. But if we're putting together a big package, we need players to help NOW.

If by some miracle we put together a huge package for the 6th overall AND landed an impact FA with the money saved, that's fine. But that's a hard string of moves.

I get what you're saying, but in a trade to Calgary he doesn't bring value unless Pittsburgh takes back one or more of our dmen not named Gio, TJ, or Dougie.

On Chychrun, i haven't seen enough to base my own opinion, but he's sure fallen in the ranks. Not sure what the issue is, but it does reek of potentially being the steal of the draft. He was ranked as high as 3 was he not?
- dr_soiledpants

That's why I'm not including Pouliot in any trade. He has not been given a chance to reach his potential. Not a fair one anyways. Maatta for one has been forgiven for any mistake he makes and Pouliot is benched for any he makes. If given the same freedom to learn by trial by error he will become a formidable puck moving, power play machine. If only parents(franchises) treated all their children(players drafted) the same. I still think he's going to be a star, whether Pitts realizes in time is the question.

We absolutely have the defensive depth,

Letang Dumoulin
Schultz Cole
Daley Pouliot

You just dont like awesome players.
- stackthepads

I'm not opposed to trading Maatta for a talent like Hall, especially now that their cap hits are closer. But no way do I touch that deal without a plan to upgrade the defense. That defense is not good enough. Not sure re-signing Lovejoy would cut it. We;d need another top 4.

This is a trade where we would likely 'win' the trade, but not make our team better. Would rather just trade Fleury and sign Boedker.

I'm not opposed to trading Maatta for a talent like Hall, especially now that their cap hits are closer. But no way do I touch that deal without a plan to upgrade the defense. That defense is not good enough. Not sure re-signing Lovejoy would cut it. We;d need another top 4.

This is a trade where we would likely 'win' the trade, but not make our team better. Would rather just trade Fleury and sign Boedker.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

People said our defence wasnt good enough all season, defence was more than good enough. Then people said our defence wasnt good enough for the playoffs, defence was more than good enough for the playoffs.

We play team defence.
Adding a player like Hall makes Sid or Genos line an absolute nightmare, he is a faster more physical Kessel.

I get what you're saying, but in a trade to Calgary he doesn't bring value unless Pittsburgh takes back one or more of our dmen not named Gio, TJ, or Dougie.

On Chychrun, i haven't seen enough to base my own opinion, but he's sure fallen in the ranks. Not sure what the issue is, but it does reek of potentially being the steal of the draft. He was ranked as high as 3 was he not?
- dr_soiledpants

My personal predictions for this draft which are based solely on intuition and nothing else. I think Mathews will be a better 2 way player than anyone could have anticipated but won't nearly be the offensive threat he has been predicted. I see Laine as having the best career offensively and being a scoring Dynamo but a liability defensively. I see Puljujarvi and Sergachev being total busts. I see Chychrun as the total package as far as dmen go and having a hall of fame career. Ktachuk will have a solid career a lot like his fathers but better. I don't have any kind of handle on any of the other guys so I'm not going to speculate.

We don't need forwards right now and we can't afford to lose our third best dman until we trade for or sign someone else.
- Dcoms

See I dont think there is much drop off between Maatta and Schultz. Pouliot is a question mark but what teams dont have question marks.

I'm not opposed to trading Maatta for a talent like Hall, especially now that their cap hits are closer. But no way do I touch that deal without a plan to upgrade the defense. That defense is not good enough. Not sure re-signing Lovejoy would cut it. We;d need another top 4.

This is a trade where we would likely 'win' the trade, but not make our team better. Would rather just trade Fleury and sign Boedker.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Screw Boedker and the 6 mill he's going to get on the open market. We could sign Cogliano who is just as fast and has better hands for 1-2 mill. The Ducks already told him he was not coming back. He should be our only FA target as he's not going to cost much but fits our team identity. Plus we don't need any forwards.

See I dont think there is much drop off between Maatta and Schultz. Pouliot is a question mark but what teams dont have question marks.
- stackthepads

Other than Maatta is a LHD and Shultz is a RHD and we need to keep both of them.

Other than Maatta is a LHD and Shultz is a RHD and we need to keep both of them.
- Dcoms

LHD are easy to find.

Screw Boedker and the 6 mill he's going to get on the open market. We could sign Cogliano who is just as fast and has better hands for 1-2 mill. The Ducks already told him he was not coming back. He should be our only FA target as he's not going to cost much but fits our team identity. Plus we don't need any forwards.
- Dcoms

Boedker reminds me of Semin.

Listen. This isn't about Flower making our team better. I'll be the first to admit Flower is the best goalie currently on this roster. The priorities in a Fleury deal go:

1) Protect Murray
2) Cap space
3) Tangible assets

Getting a really high pick accomplishes all three to an extreme extent. I get your argument for DP. Our D depth is extremely suspect. But the other arguments the Dude does not abide. Keeping Flower makes our team better next year, sure, but then what happens if we can't move him in the very short time frame before expansion and Murray goes unprotected? Not only do you lose Murray for nothing, but now you don't have cap flexibility because you lost your cheap goalie. And who cares about two seconds if you have that high of a first? The odds are ridiculously higher on the first than the two seconds combined.

EDIT: Not that it matters. Fleury, DP + wont start the conversation on a high 1st.
- Victoro311

Good post ... your ND education I guess did benefit you in some regards - logic. Agree with this.

Lest we all forget, Poilot was deemed "untouchable" in the last two seasons of memory serves me correctly.
- PensFan1962

Things change in a hurry. If rumors suggesting that DP is a lazy ass and doesn't work hard, then he is expendable to me because he won't amount to much. People are grossly overrating him. BFD if he is a former eighth overall pick. Patrick Stefan was once a top pick and was a big time bust. Fact is, if DP isn't moved, this will be his make or break season in Pittsburgh IMO. If I'm him, I sign up to work with Gary Roberts and find a work ethic.

Screw Boedker and the 6 mill he's going to get on the open market. We could sign Cogliano who is just as fast and has better hands for 1-2 mill. The Ducks already told him he was not coming back. He should be our only FA target as he's not going to cost much but fits our team identity. Plus we don't need any forwards.
- Dcoms

oh poop, cogliano is a UFA?

See I dont think there is much drop off between Maatta and Schultz. Pouliot is a question mark but what teams dont have question marks.
- stackthepads

Ouch.

oh poop, cogliano is a UFA?
- stayinthefnnet

No he's not. Still has two more years at 3 mil. I'm sure YM&D and I would be driving the sign Cogs bandwagon hard core if he were a UFA.

We absolutely have the defensive depth,

Letang Dumoulin
Schultz Cole
Daley Pouliot

You just dont like awesome players.
- stackthepads

You forgot to post in the sarcastic font. We have no defensive depth.

No he's not. Still has two more years at 3 mil. I'm sure YM&D and I would be driving the sign Cogs bandwagon hard core if he were a UFA.
- Victoro311

i was gonna say, i didnt think he was.

i didnt want to trade for him per se, but if he was UFA i'd be all (frank)ing over that.

You forgot to post in the sarcastic font. We have no defensive depth.
- Oneonta Penguin

they really don't. for a player like hall, i would consider tinkering with it, but it may be more trouble than its worth.

i also dont think maatta gets it done either.

Shocking.

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